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Israel to Give Pope "Legal Custody" of Temple Mount & Holy Land

December 2013 should see the conclusion of talks between the Vatican and Israel regarding Israel's legal custody transfer of Holy sites to the Vatican.


http://youtu.be/Qt9kEQB4ti8

Related article: http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Israel-and-Vatican-c...

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This is an old article

background http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See%E2%80%93Israel_relations

Notice that wiki has not updated in months.

Events like this stopped Francis from meeting with Netyanahu as was expected http://blog.camera.org/archives/2013/10/archbishop_gets_awar...

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/131015/diplomat-...

Appears they will be meeting in March http://www.timesofisrael.com/popes-rabbi-friend-says-francis...

The whole thing is based on a lie

Islam was not even a religion yet when David's Temple was claimed to have been destroyed. They may have been from the area of Arabia but they were not Islamic yet. So the whole thing is a lie coming from the Jewish side of the 2000 year conflict. Shameful twisting of history.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

You mean Solomon's Temple? Not David's. Either you are that...

...ignorant, while believing you have a clue, or you are just being dishonest, on purpose.....

You seem to think, or are implying that Jews &/or Christians claim that Islam destroyed the Holy Temple...
No Jews, or Christians, claim that.

The (2nd) Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. by the Romans...

In 691 A.D., over 600!years after the destruction of the Temple, the Dome of the Rock was completed.

Islam was invented about 610 A.D., and by 637 A.D. (only 27 years) this radically violent religion based on Jihad & "submission" had spread over all/most of Arabia, and conquered Jerusalem from the Byzantine Romans.
'The Dome' was completed in 691 A.D., and the subsequent Muslim occupation of Israel/"Palestine" (the name was changed by the Romans to insult the conquered Jews, based on the biblical enemy 'Philistines') led to the First Crusade to take back the Holy Land/Israel roughly 400 years later.

In many ways the LONG TERM conflict does go back to that period.

BUT, it is NOT over the destruction of the Temple, because it was already destroyed long before that. You bringing THAT up, is the propaganda that should be REMOVED.

The LONG TERM conflict has been between the Muslims, and Templar Christians/Roman Empire/Vatican Church.

NOW, however, the JEWS, whose land it RIGHTFULLY is, HAVE IT BACK! The Muslims/Arabs still want to own it, and so does the Evil (Roman) Empire! (Hence AIPAC, the NWO infiltrators and their task-master partners in Israel and elsewhere, who are TRAITORS to Israel like the Sadducees who accepted Caesar's coin in the Temple, and the Pharisees who put down Yeshua's revolution). BUT ISRAEL RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO THE JEWS!!! Not to Islam, or to the NWO/Evil Empire aka "the Empire formerly known as Rome".

We ARE in the END TIMES! As evidenced by the prophesy of the Jews RETURN coming true! The Conflict, of all the nations coming against Israel, to claim it for themselves, is happening now!

They will all FAIL! The Messiah is Coming!!! Are you open to His saving grace or are you out to prove Him wrong?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I only have three questions ...

"NOW, however, the JEWS, whose land it RIGHTFULLY is, HAVE IT BACK!"

"BUT ISRAEL RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO THE JEWS!!!"

Point noted as you have repeated it multiple times in the thread.

1. Do you own property in America?
2. When are you giving it back to its rightful Native American owner(s)?
3. Would you object to Native Americans killing you if you don't want to give them what is rightfully theirs?

ok

1. Yes
2. no plans as of yet
3. I would, But if G-d decides to make that happen, who am I to argue?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Fair enough.

Thanks for a thoughtful reply. No further questions.

Neo-Babylonian Empire,

And it all was all part of the Neo-Babylonian Empire.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

How is it a lie coming from the Jewish side!?! Are you serious?!

Muslims are the ones claiming it is a "Holy site" to Islam... THEY are the LIARS!

Obviously it IS a Holy site to Jews, and Christians. But NOT to Muslims.

So WHY is the 'Dome of the Rock' there, hmmm? It wasn't built until 691 A.D. - Not exactly an ancient Holy site to the history of Islam.

WHO is FALSELY claiming the site belongs to THEM??? You just admitted the Temple Mount could NOT be Holy to MUSLIMS, because there were no Muslims yet!!!

The conflict over the Temple Mount is REAL but the reasons for ISLAM being involved are a LIE started and perpetuated by ISLAM!!!!

The build a Mosque over every Holy site they conquer. Naturally they build a major one over the Holiest Site in Judaism & Christianity.

LOL!!! It is unbelievable how you can twist what is logically obvious.

..."the lies come from the Jewish side"... LOL, what a laugh!

You must be a TRUE patriot ATruepatriot, and the rest of us are just stupid infidels right?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The Catholic Church

started the Muslim faith and all that came after it. There are plenty of Mosques overseas next to Catholic Churches. The remains of John the Baptist are infact in a Mosque. The Bible calls the Catholic Church "THE MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS". The Catholic Church was the first "church" ever created, by Peter but corrupted by man. It should be obvious at this point that the Catholic Church is part of or the entire Antichrist that the Bible speaks of. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church is disgusting, and my whole family is Catholic. I am grateful I saw the light of Protestantism, and am now a Christian. My Church is the Bible, I don't need some organized politically motivated and Satan indoctrinated organization or any organizations for that matter to help me, nor tell me how to follow God. God does not require walls, priests or popes to follow Him. Sorry I put this in reply form lawman, but for some reason I cant post comments on here, and never really inquired about it at that point.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

but

isn't protestantism a child of the mother of all harlots?

Kind of a mixture...

..isn't it, of folks that came out of the Roman church, seeking to reform its ways, and other folks who have always been independent of Rome, such as the Waldensians, etc.?

Granger these people are flat-out lying. There is NO evidence...

...to any of their claims.

Why are giving them any credibility? I had to downvote one of your posts below...

You wrote, responding to ATruepatriot...

"For a religious lie.

I believe you that the whole conflict is over the destruction of the first temple and the construction of the Muslim temple, for some people. I believe it is more a secular issue than religious, because the fact is, as long as there are the three big religions centered in the Holy Land, there will always be pilgrams, thus, there will always be a tourist INDUSTRY, which last I checked was about 30K people a day, which pales in comparison to the businesses and global investments."

Granger, seriously?

If the 2nd Temple was destroyed by Romans in 70AD, how could the Islam/Israel conflict be started by the destruction of the 1st Temple!, when Islam wasn't even invented until about 610AD, and the 'Dome' not built until 691?!!!

You make no sense, and neither does ATP... you are all ridiculous!!!

Please, all of you just stop talking about something you have NO CLUE about.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

lawmanjed

I have pointed out that the top article is outdated
that the Ottoman Empire was Turkish, not Arab.
Maps of where both former Jewish Temples are located.

I agree with ATruepatriot, with the stipulation that SOME PEOPLE believe, "the whole conflict is over the destruction of the first temple.." and pointed out that today, I believe it is more a secular, than a religious issue, and furthermore O'd like to add that it is quibbling about what the Church pays Israel or not that is delaying the visit until March (March 5, 2014 Ash Wednesday/ 9th begins Lent/ 19 St Joseph and 25th Assention of the Lord).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock

One third way down, read Pre-Islam for what I believe you are asking, if not, then please excuse me.

Ahhh....

The old 'stipulation'.

I'll let you off on a technicality.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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See, you trusted what you were TOLD

Rather than checking factual history for yourself. You may be surprised when you find you have been lied to for an end result.

By the way, I am Native American and not partial in anyway at all. I wish you would all take your religious problems back to where you got them.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Oh yeah? Why don't you provide facts, sources, or at least...

... provide your points, and reasons WHY you claim I am wrong...

All you can do is say "You're Wrong", but you provide no information.

You know what?...

YOU'RE WRONG. Next time do your homework on the subject, and blah, blah, blah, etc., etc....

How'd you like that?

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Ok

I have been at this a long time. Let's start with the origin of all religions and work from there:

http://www.dailypaul.com/302496/ancient-confession-found-we-...

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Hmm...

...that whole Caesar's Messiah theory seems pretty flimsy. I still need to read Atwill's book, but in his interviews I've heard on radio, it seems like he is reaching to draw parallels where they are rather dubious, between Christ and Titus. It also just doesn't make sense that the Romans would have invented a religion that implores people to worship and serve a God higher than Caesar or the Roman state, all to supposedly deal with the Judeans who weren't *that* big of an issue within the concerns of the Empire. Plus there is some evidence of early churches within 50-70 years after Christ's death, in places as far-flung as Britain (Glastonbury, etc.), independent of Rome.

Even if you do buy the idea that Rome concocted something, this doesn't necessarily mean that Christ was not a real person, either -- you could posit that they introduced distortions of the real story for their own purposes.

I think Atwill's motivation is that he doesn't like how Christians often seem cowed into submission before government authority, as if it's the godly thing to do. He does have a point there, because that idea has been distorted a lot by those who would twist Christianity in order to pacify it completely and to neutralize the will of opposition. I don't think you have to throw all of Christianity out the historical window, though, in order to address and correct such distortions. Chuck Baldwin's son's book on Romans 13 is a great read, explaining the real meaning behind submission, etc.

I can save you some time.

I can save you some time. Instead of reading atwill's wishful thinking, here is 'Caesar's Messiah Debunked' in 11 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnV0cJgTRiM

Here is the whole group of videos brotherhttp://amazingdiscoveri

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/c/2/Total_Onslaught_-_English/
pick one or them all, this one sticks out the most to me, down below, would be curious to see what you think about religion after you watch them, handing that out in curiosity, not sarcasm. This video really did it for me, but other things along the way confirmed it also.

http://amazingdiscoveries.tv/media/116/204-the-mists-of-time/

I hope you enjoy them and are open minded enough to watch them, I have watched Zeitgeist and things and am always open minded to learn.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Inappropriate post

Inappropriate post because the conflict over the "Temple mount" is a lie. When Nebuchadrezzar came to Jerusalem Islam had not been even formed as a religion yet. it is a false conflict, Please remove as propaganda. lol

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Islam did not show up untill like 570 AD (or CE)

or am I confused and unaware of my perspective?

HVAC, Yes you are right man

The whole conflict is based on a lie. reality in history proves this and an archeologist in the area has found the first Temple about 200 yards from the place where it has been claimed to be for 2000 years. and it was never built over or destroyed by the faith of Islam. Because Islam did not even exist yet, it was before Mohammed. But of course they will not let him prove this because the conflict must remain perpetual and their religion depends on this.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

No one has ever claimed Islam destroyed the Jewish Temple...

... But, Muslims did build the 'Dome of the Rock' over the 'Temple Mount' in 691 A.D... The Temple had already been long destroyed.

The conflict is not a lie, it is very real, obviously. The lie is that Islam has any real reason to call the site Holy. Other than it marks a major military victory over Christianity/Judaism in the crusades. (Allegedly, Mohammed ascended to Heaven at this spot. But that was well into the time period of recorded history. If that happened, in the major city of Jerusalem, populated by many different people/cultures, there should be a historical record, not just the word of Mohammed {an illiterate desert raider} himself.)
And there in lies the conflict, to this day.

As for the Temple Mount's alleged true location being recently discovered, I have heard that, and am extremely skeptical of that.

WTF is the Wailing Wall then?! Just some OTHER big wall?! I'm not buying it, even though many Jews & Messianics I know, do buy it.

They have yet to PROVE it, in any convincing way. To me, the evidence still leans HEAVILY on the Temple Mount being where it looks like it is.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The 2nd Temple was built on top of the 1st...

I do not buy into the 'new discovery' made by the "Jewish archeologist".

He has to PROVE it first. He has not.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Correct

But even that is speculation.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Wrong

The whole conflict is over the destruction of the first Temple and the construction of the Muslim Temple over the first on the Temple mount. many thousands have died for this lie and justification for war and death. Better go do a little more history homework before you once again defend a false narrative.

I have been doing this to prove religions wrong for a very long time. And yes a "Jewish" archeologist found it many yards away. Take the time I did to research it. Knowledge is leadership rather than a following. Such a waste, all those lives for so many years for a religious lie.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

For a religious lie

I believe you that the whole conflict is over the destruction of the first temple and the construction of the Muslim temple, for some people. I believe it is more a secular issue than religious, because the fact is, as long as there are the three big religions centered in the Holy Land, there will always be pilgrams, thus, there will always be a tourist INDUSTRY, which last I checked was about 30K people a day, which pales in comparison to the businesses and global investments http://www.sandiegometro.com/2010/01/doing-business-in-jerus...