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Rand Paul: Don't Vote Libertarian!

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on Thursday urged Virginia Republicans supporting Robert C. Sarvis, the Libertarian candidate for governor, to come home to the GOP and vote for Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, the party’s nominee.

“I consider myself to be a libertarian conservative, a libertarian Republican,” Paul said in a phone interview Thursday. “A lot of things (Cuccinelli) talks about are free-market, limited-government, leave-me-alone government. I think there is a lot to like there.

http://www.staffordcountysun.com/news/local/article_1a8851cc...

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You sound like one of those

You sound like one of those people that told me I had to vote for Mitt Romney last election because if Obama won it would be the end of the world.

I know

And I feel like that as well. I voted for Johnson in the presidential election because I didn't want to vote for romney. HOwever, for Governor in an important state, I think that game is a bit different. A governor can really muck up the state. The governor is not going to be sending off our kids to war or anything, they are supposed to manage the state properly. I think if you end up with Mcauliffe, VA is totally screwed...all I have to say is look at Maryland. Is that what you want to happen? That's what your getting if Mcaullife wins. In addition, since everyone is out touting that since Obama won the election, it was a shoe in for Obamacare. If I had known at the time that a vote for Romney would in fact stop that stupid law from going into effect, I would have reconsidered my vote for Johnson as I believe that this law is that bad...

agreed

the lesser of two evils b.s. seems to never stop even here on the daily paul

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Urgency

There is something folks are forgetting about. There is an absolute urgency to prevent the stain of Liberal communism from setting in permanently. It must be done THIS election or it will be rooted forever. Parties aside, We must do everything we can to slow it down this election or there may never be any more to even try and advance Libertarianism. We are out of time and can't afford to goof around waiting for perfect candidates. The dems must be stopped at all costs NOW. We are in a position of plea bargaining for a lighter sentence at this point or we are going to get the maximum slapped on us if we don't.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

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We need Ken C. This is why. A

We need Ken C. This is why. A lot of people don't know that in Virginia, the governor's term is for 4 years, and that is it. Term limits. So no incumbents. What normally happens is that the governor runs for Senate later. We do not need Fast Terry fighting against Rand, Cruz and Mike Lee later on down the road. McAulliffe is terrible, and a gun grabber to boot. Cuccinelli is a family man and can be trusted with the 2nd Amendment. If you live in VA,vote for him and give a friend or 2 a ride to the polls. We need this one. I would like nothing more than to see egg on the Clintons faces.

*Wisconsin Constitution* Article I, Section 25 "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security,defense,hunting,recreation or any other law-abiding purpose"

Thank you

That is what needed to be said. To bad it seems to be falling on deaf ears. I know that I live in Maryland and just surviving in this state with cameras, taxes, and gun grabbing is becoming a real challenge. It is no longer a game of let me be pure ideological in my decisions, I would take George Bush as my governor in Maryland at this point. Working class are getting annihilated. Once the liberals take footholds they don't relinquish easy. All I have to say is look at Omalleys webpage and you will find that will be the same as Mcaullifes in a year. VA, once a great bastion of hope, will be lost. I hope that some of the libertarians understand what is at stake.

The anger towards Rand

On this thread is beyond absurd. Have the people involved with the Ron Paul campaign left? Seriously, Ron Paul himself is a republican...and he has endorsed numerous republicans....including cucinelli. Sarvis also sucks. He is not the libertarian that you think he is. I am finding myself drifting away from the type of people that used to be involved with Ron Paul. The crap that is spewing from these threads is why. It is a road to nowhere but more liberal run govt. I can hardly believe the idiocy from Ron Paul supporters.

Cuccinelli should withdraw and endorse Sarvis

Who needs a poseur libertarian when you can have the real deal!

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

Ok

now let's get this straight. I read a lot of Rand bashing in the comments below. He is supporting the republican over the libertarian. So it's time to throw stones at him? Then why are you not throwing stones at Ron Paul for the same endorsement?
Ron backed Cooch 1st. Now Rand does and your all up in a tizzy..

Slow day?

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Well actually Rand did endorse him first.

But your point still stands. Besides if McAuliffe wins Virginians will lose their Gun Freedoms. Period. I have yet to hear of any doomsday scenario that will take place if Ken Cuccinelli wins.

Ken has been an ally of Ron Paul and States Rights for a very long time.

my favorite Cuccinelli boondoggle:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/05/01/94742/cuccinell...

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Oh yeah, think progress...

You call me a single-issue voter and you're sourcing that socialist pile of junk? I'm willing to be that you're not even a registered Libertarian. Think Progress. LOL!!!

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

would you prefer the Roanoke Times?

http://ww2.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/245345/

or the Washington Post?:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/cuccine...

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

So let me get this straight

The founders of the Commonwealth were OK with a cartoon boob, but it gets crazy Cooch's panties in a bunch? Can we trust a loon like that with the governorship, or any elected office?

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

I've voted libertarian every

I've voted libertarian every chance I could, not counting primaries and the one exception being Chuck Baldwin in 2008 after he got Ron Paul's endorsement.

maybe rand

can have stickers made for 2016: DON'T VOTE LIBERTARIAN

Given how short-sighted they are...

and also how they never actually win anything, I think I might put a couple of those stickers on my car if they ever come out with them.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

I am with you on this

I wouldn't waste one dollar or my time on the L party. I have no idea why people think that it is a worthwhile effort.

I agree to an extent.

Part of the issue is the current election laws. I wouldn't necessarily mind the Libertarian Party if they were actually viable on the national level, which they really can't be given the way the deck is stacked, and I do think that supporting them in local and state elections where they actually have a shot is a good idea. I've voted for Libertarian Presidential candidates consistently for the past 4 elections primarily because there wasn't any real point in supporting who the parties nominated, but I was very active in the primary elections.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Me to

I voted for Libertarian presidential candidates, but in the local stuff there is to much at stake "at home" to mess around. Progressives in local government absolutely destroy economic success. They find anything and everything to tax,...plastic bags, gas, property, and rain if you live in maryland. Wasting a vote on the Libertarian locally is stupid.

Anyone that thinks

Cuccinelli is more fiscally conservative than Sarvis has not been paying attention.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Oh I've been paying very close attention...

And Sarvis' support of open-borders cancels out anything that he might say on fiscal conservatism. You don't have budget cuts when you voluntarily import throngs of welfare brats with anchor babies who will vote all the small government people right out of office. Sarvis is, de facto, about as fiscally conservative as Paul Krugman.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Open borders don't cost us

Open borders is a concept, not an implementation. It doesn't mean let in illegals wantonly, it means welcome productive immigrants.

The problem you describe is the EXISTENCE of the welfare system, not illegals going on welfare. If we get rid of the giveaway programs the problem is solved.

Take back the GOP and Restore America Now.

The welfare state exists because of open-borders.

Your definition of open-borders doesn't square with what I've heard out of Sarvis and the vast majority of his supporters, which is essentially to let everyone who wants to come in.

And for the record, we have a welfare state largely because of radical socialists that we imported from parts of Germany (among other parts of Europe) leading up to the Civil War and into the early 20th century. America didn't develop into a welfare state, it was invaded by welfare statists from abroad via Ellis Island and so on.

Any nation that wishes to maintain liberty needs an ideological litmus test for anyone that is let in, unless we want to only afford voting rights to a certain segment of the population, which I would support as a means of containing the current crop of ideologues trying to vote themselves their living anyway.

So, I have to disagree in kind with you, Open-borders has all but cost us our country.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

that's fine

You are a one-issue voter. Just don't say that fiscal conservatism is your main concern. May be you will get lucky and Tancredo will run again.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Nope, that's one of several issues moron.

I'm not pro-choice either, and the problem with the immigration issue is that it is an extremely pervasive one. Frankly speaking, I don't believe in universal suffrage (nor should any rational human being), and the problem with open-borders is tied directly to big government types importing 3rd world voters to overrun the people who've been living here for at least a couple generations.

Your little Tancredo quip only confirms what I've long believed that the Libertarian Party has become overrun with pseudo-small government progressives plagued by white guilt. I'm sure you also think that the guy in the truck who almost got beat to death during the LA riots deserved it because of his white privilege.

May be you will get lucky and Dennis Kucinich will run again.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

The funny thing is...

Tom Tancredo is running again, for Governor of Colorado as a Republican (he ran on the Constitution Party ticket last time)

AND he supports legalizing pot!

He said that his reasons to legalize marijuana include "The issue of violence that surrounds it — not just on the border — and the crimes all over the place. The number of people in prison and the amount we spend to keep them there. The broken families."

The only thing he is bad on as far as I know is foreign policy.

Didn't necessarily mean to speak ill of Tancredo.

I have a level of respect for Tancredo, although I agree with you that his views on foreign policy are incredibly out of whack. When most people use that "vote for Tancredo" jab, it's basically a euphemism for calling someone a racist, and my usual response to it is a nice, playful little middle fingered salute.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

The Cooch

Is decent for a Repuglican. Too bad.

Ventura 2012

Watch any interview with Sarvis

He is not the guy for the job.

I voted 3rd party in the last two elections. I believe in 3rd parties but this is not a case where the 3rd party is the best choice for VA.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul