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Survey: Most U.S. Libertarians Do Not Identify With Tea Party

By Mary Wisniewski
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Most American libertarians do not consider themselves part of the conservative Tea Party movement despite a public perception that the two political groups are linked, according to a national survey released on Tuesday
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He noted that the libertarian

He noted that the libertarian vote swung against Republicans in the 1992 presidential election, which included third party candidate Ross Perot

Clever little liar. Nobody counted libertarians in 1992, the MSM and think tanks didn't know we existed. Libertarians didn't exist in public consciousness, we were in fact MINISCULE in that day.

However this is the good news. Someone actually polled "libertarians"? Meaning there's enough of us to actually poll? I wonder if their methodology required a statistically valid sample. Not that I'm gonna go looking, I really can't get up enough shizz to give for these intellectual gnats.

The little lie above indicates these academics are out to grandstand.

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Constitional Tea Party

I belong to the Constitutional Tea Party.

The other one I call the Neoconservative Tea Party.

I am an American Constitutionalist. I am not an Ideological Socialist Globalist.

Live in Liberty
Tom Rankin

Count me in. The Tea Party has been hijacked by the GOP

In order to neutralize them.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

The Ron Paul Liberty movement

that started in 2007 was about sound money, noninterventionist foreign policy & the restoration of civil rights. Not so sure about the Cruz, Limbaugh, Palin ra ra ra TEA Party.

Ron Swanson

I prefer the term

Liberty Starfish movement :)

Ron Swanson

Another episode of divide and conquer tonight on the DP, YEAH!!

Tonight we're going to bring you, Most U.S. Libertarians Do Not Identify With Tea Party, and what's more there will be comments, oh yes, comments, telling you to kick the tea party out. Yes that's right, the tea party is dangerous............

I think bringing individuals together over the issues helps the message of liberty.

kind people rock

Tea Party, Libertarians, and the Ron Paul movement

The Tea Party seems to have evolved into shifting, largely open-ended groups, some of whom are Daily Paul type activists, some of whom incline toward libertarian anarchism or EXTREMELY limited government, and many, perhaps most of whom, for now, incline toward the bonehead (neo) conservatism of Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Bill O'Reilly and other simpletons and relics from the Clinton Presidency.

Those Tea Party groups and meetings which are inclined toward libertarianism could and should work toward liberty as much as they can, and fully deserve libertarian (and DP) support. Those Tea Partiers who, unfortunately, are still in neocon mode, work strongly AGAINST liberty, even on a Constitutional level, and should be ignored, exposed, and ridiculed as much as possible, until they, or at least their spokesmen and advocates, outgrow such foolishness and ignorance.

As with Rand Paul, support, publicize, and contribute to him when he is right (on a good many issues), and also to bring down the rafters upon his head when he is wrong! This also lets other politicians know that there is a "constituency" of voters and contributors for liberty, peace, and prosperity out there, whose votes and campaign support can be ignored only at great peril to their prospects for re-election!

A "backbone" transplant hurts nobody!

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is not to be attacked successfully, it is to be defended badly". F. Bastiat

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, finally they attack you, and then you win"! Mohandas Gandhi

Agreed, holding the corruption and misinformation

accountable is a task at hand that needs to continue. I see how these neocon tea partiers try to swing their rhetoric around, they must face the TRUTH (liberty). Rock on…….

kind people rock

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

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This one stands out! First I've seen.

I've been waiting but I never saw a "legit outfit" produce numbers on HOW BIG WE ARE.

7% of adults based on their science. I guess this wouldn't include agorists, voluntarists and the various sub factions. But with about 314 million of us - 24% (18 and younger), that would mean there's about 17 million of "us libertarians".

I'm gonna guess we gained 6.5% in the last 10 years.

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remember folks they pinned the "Tea Party"

against the liberals(what a divisive sheepish term) and the democrats. They have turned the word Tea Party into a divisive term, I think we should all refer to ourselves as r3VOLutionists, we need to get away from being considered tea party while we still can. Words are too powerful in the hands of corrupt people, they can sandwich us all into one group. Anyways, that is my blah, blah, blah.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

I am in an Individual Leaderless Revolution

Enlightened disengagement, self reliance, and the laws of the jungle are my guide posts.

sovereign

You are exactly right !!

The liberty movement does not have a specific leader , however the establishment is trying desperately to crown Ted Cruz & Mike Lee the "TEA Party" leaders. That way they have a target to take down & willing accomplices.

Ron Swanson

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What? The co-opted neocon wing of the tea party...

Or the Tea Party founded by Ron Paul?

Be more specific.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Exactly....

I consider myself a "Tea Partier", why not?

TEA = Taxed Enough Already

You correctly point out how the neo-cons co-opted it. They quickly fall off though, as soon as election seasons are over, while the true constitutional conservative / libertarians stick around, and push the issues.

Ron Paul started the TEA Party, his ideals remain the heart of it.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Exactly. The "Tea Party" is

Exactly. The "Tea Party" is a very broad and incoherent group. Most of it was willingly co-opted by the same neocons who gave us $400 billion per year deficits before the 2008 crash.

I was always with it because...

.... we started it.

When they ask them if they identify, you have to specify WHICH tea party, the one that we started in 2007 which still exists intact in NH? Or the GOP who decided to pretend they were tea party?

The libertarians in NH are with us. You never should have given up the name of the movement you all started.

We won't succumb to the party establishment during elections, why should we let them have our movement?

I say many of you gave up too easily. If you live in NH and you are not working with us, then you are part of the problem. We are tackling local issues that no one else would have even known about... freedom issues that are the same or worse than they were when we tossed those boxes in the water on Dec 16, 2007.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

I was never with the Tea

I was never with the Tea Party and still don't want any part of it.. Ever since the C4L started pushing Rand on us all then the tea party people started jumping on the Liberty bandwagon.

Not my cup of tea, no pun ;)

Not sold on Rand

I'm not quite sold on Rand yet either. But since we are issues-driven here in NH, it doesn't matter about candidates, and certainly not at this point in the game.

When the time comes we'll expose them all... however necessary.

Remember we had a great deal to do with keeping Rick Perry from getting a foothold here.

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

Poll Represents the Success of the Dividers

The survey shows the steering process of the mainstream press in neutralizing alternative movements has been quite successful. So long as libertarians are not forging important alliances and are just restricting ourselves to a phone booth, the elite wins. When our group "favors Republicans" (that is, prefers to be co-opted within one of the evil parties), the elite wins. Libertarians should rather maintain independence from parties, and form coalitions with un-co-opted Tea party factions to optimally continue the momentum of the liberty movement.

The poll represents, NOTHING

Liar polls are just that, lies. All polls are liar polls.

sovereign

Concur. Democratic/republican

Concur. Democratic/republican party-affiliated candidates love any division outside of their realms, so that the general public can vote once again for their better of two bad choices. I'll just continue encouragement to never vote for one of them, select best liberty advocating choice outside of them, or write one in. The only saving grace that currently elected reps may avail themselves of is to disavow their dem/rep party allegiance, to possibly get my vote.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!

preach on, preach that liberty gospel!

kind people rock

Yes!

"Libertarians should rather maintain independence from parties, and form coalitions with un-co-opted Tea party factions to optimally continue the momentum of the liberty movement."

Yes indeed!

Jane Aitken, 35-Year Veteran Teacher
Ron Paul 2008 Consultant
GOP Woman of the Year 2009
Founder NH Tea Party Coalition (NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FAKE 2009 GROUP)
Founder USPEINetwork @ Yahoo (Nat'l Edu Activism Group)
Board Coalition of NH Taxpayers

The confusion was caused by Tea Party members.

I have never heard a true libertarian identify with the modern Tea Party although they might agree on a few issues. Many in the tea party have went through the libertarian buffet and chosen only what they like and began refering to themselves as libertarian. The MSM adds to the confusion by refering to some as libertarians or libertarian leaning.

Ron Paul started the TEA Party...

Maybe you should pay closer attention...

It wasn't until later on, when the TEA Party movement became popular, and the MSM got a hold of it, that the mainstream GOP and neo-cons co-opted the name 'Tea-Party', and the name became synonymous with the GOP and even religious authoritarianism.

With the popularity went the phonies. The TEA Party is mostly back to being the constitutional conservative/libertarian wing of the GOP, as it began. Around election time though, the mainstream starts looking for TEA Party votes... That's when it's time to call out the phonies...
Not now.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

We're getting down to semantics

You can't really call it Ron Paul's Tea Party, even if he started it, if they don't even hold it all his core values. They identify with most -- except: getting rid of the FED, ending foreign aid, ending wars.

Honestly, the spending, the debt-riddled FED programs, and the wars are my real concern and it seems as though Tea Partiers care more about taxes and "freedom for all" except the immigrants.

That's another thing I'll never agree with Tea Partiers on, or even some libertarians. IMO, all free countries should have open borders. EVERYONE should be welcome. Of course, I'd only want this if the social programs were shut down and taxes demolished.

He said he'd never heard a libertarian saying they're TEA Party

I told him Ron Paul started it.

So... Not semantics...

I get it, wars and funding the wars is your only concern. Gotcha.....

Seems to be the case with the H-I-Fers on here, too.

MY primary concern as an AMERICAN is my individual liberty, and the constitution...

THAT is hindered by many things, including current fiscal & monetary policy, foreign policy which includes foreign aid & unconstitutional wars which jeopardize Americas physical & financial security, and domestic policies like the War-On-Drugs, ObamaCare, NSA spying, Patriot Act, NDAA, etc., etc.

Just worrying about other countries, or worrying about them first, is not why I am a Ron Paul supporter.

I put domestic and fiscal/monetary policy, as a priority to ME, ahead of foreign policy. Sorry, I do. That said, it greatly affects domestic policy, so I demand we stick by the constitution, and simply do what is right, by the code of our founders, which was the libertarians' code, 'the non-aggression principle'.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Without the wars

We'd have considerably less debt. I don't dislike the wars because I'm worried about other countries being annihilated by us. I'm worried about it because I believe the wars are incremental in the destruction of our own country.

Wars = lost lives
Wars = lost money
Wars = terrorists = politicians creating laws "to protect us."

It's a lot more complicated than, as you put it, "worrying about other countries."