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Israel And USA: Best Friends?

Granger, I have as far as I can remember refrained from commenting on your articles or comments, but at this point I feel compelled to say something. As an American Christian and conservative and libertarian Republican, I find it odd and sickening and appalling that, at least in my perception, you want the nation or state of Israel to be a model for how this country should be rather than return it to a representative constitutional republic. Of course we can never transform this nation into a freedom utopia, but is the answer to that problem really to try to imitate and laud Israel? Would it not be better to look to our past and see the things that made and still do make this country great rather than model our country on a small subsidized state that is a puppet and puppet master? And as bad as our currency is becoming through the creation of so-called money by the FED and fractional reserve banking, how is the newly restored Promised Land's currency doing?

I truly do not wish to sound harsh or hateful, but I sincerely believe that you have your priorities at least somewhat confused and your understanding of Israel and the Palestinian people is borderline insane. Sure, I'd love to visit Israel and see the holy sites of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, especially Christianity, but I am not willing or desiring that we should continue to financially and militarily prop up a country that is rumored to have 100-300 nuclear weapons. Much less am I willing to support unconstitutional proxy wars on the behalf of a country in which all its citizens in general must serve in the military. That does not sound like freedom to me or a model I'd like to replicate in this country -- a standing army; is that not something the founders warned us about? When one has a huge military presence, is that not just an invitation for war? Why will Israel not deploy its forces all across the Middle East and south Asia? Because it can count on the McCains and Grahams to ensure the US will do that.

I was raised half Christian and half heathen, but the Christian side is what took hold. I was steeped heavily in Christian Zionism and radical Dispensationalism. I eventually shed both after reading the Bible from cover to cover, and I'm not going to preach a sermon, but I'll lastly say this, that I am convinced by Scripture that Israel as we know it is a farce, something contrived by the power evil, for since its creation in 1948, violence has only increased in the Middle East. The devil came to kill, steal, and destroy, and I will leave it at that.




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"The chosen ones"

I have not made a post or said much of anything about "The chosen ones"; so let me say something here.

IF there are "chosen ones", they are God's concern, not mine.

That said, I believe that the path to peace is a path of unconditional love, and to achieve that, one has to look for what they can LOVE. The solution is not to hate Israel and/or Jews and love Palestine and or Islam, but to LOVE both for what good there is.

I hope you don't mind if I add something.

You said: "I believe that the path to peace is a path of unconditional love, and to achieve that, one has to look for what they can LOVE. The solution is not to hate Israel and/or Jews and love Palestine and or Islam, but to LOVE both for what good there is."

Unconditional love, by definition, loves the unlovable. Jesus teaches us to "love our enemies" as He Himself loves His enemies and died for them. If we believe in Him and receive Him in Word and Spirit then we too are enabled by His grace to do likewise.

LOVE in the sense that God is LOVE does not depend in any way upon the object of that LOVE. The idea that we love that which is good and hate that which is evil is the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. This is a legitimate form of love but it is not LOVE in sense that God is LOVE. This is why we tend to get stuck in our human ideas of love and cannot transcend them. Even the Church, as a corporate entity, has remained in this realm of limited love for two millennia. Only individual Christians have entered into the Holiest Place and become true messengers of God's Grace which is His LOVE in action, His enabling LOVE, His empowering LOVE.

When scripture tells us that the Kingdom of God is righteousness, joy and peace in the Holy Spirit these are all expressions of God's Grace, His LOVE in manifestation. This condition is THE GOOD NEWS that can only be truthfully preached by evidencing the very nature of God Himself as Jesus, the firstborn Son of God did. This is why the Church has failed in her mission as it was always intended that she should. The next stage of the Revelation, the Unveiling, of the Lord Jesus Christ, Head and Body, will change this condition dramatically. Then the state of being you earnestly seek will be given to you.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

(((((((David Robertson)))))

I am happy to know that you have found a belief sytem that works for you, which I have no doubt you completely believe what you posted and I believe that is true for you and many Christians. I am grateful that in America you can have your belief and live it, and I can have mine, and others can have theirs, and we can accept what love there is for humanity in the name of God, even if to you that's exlusive of Christians, or to Islam the love is exclusive to Muslims, or Jews who believe they are the chosen ones, to atheists that think we're all nuts, to agnostices who really don't know.

I am profoundly grateful to God's mercy and grace bestowing constant and abundent blessings of health, peace, love, and happiness.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/12-3.htm

Do not misunderstand.

This will clarify my position:

http://www.dailypaul.com/299022/my-position-on-israel-inspir...

2014 Liberty Candidate Thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/287246/2014-liberty-candidate-thread

2016 Potential Presidential Candidates: http://alturl.com/mt7tq

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

I'm still trying to find the

"value" that you speak of in terms of Granger's input. Maybe you can help me out on that.

How does an individual that believes she was "chosen by God" help the Daily Paul?

You replied to a comment that was not directed at you, so of course I'll give you the business.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Read

my response to RonPaulWins above.

Maybe I spoke out of turn; I was not referring to the "chosen by God" statement, but rather the link that was provided.

All information is valuable to me, so that I may understand how others think and derive at information, thus allowing me to be better prepared when I engage in conversation in my community.

I also enjoy reading you, MykeTheVet :-)

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"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Today's Two Minute Hate

Couched in veiled pleasantries and feigned sincerity, a nice attempt at a two sided pro/anti-Israel/Jews govOP playing out in front of our eyes with the intent to smear the Paul's by posting on public record, as several here claiming to be supporters post their hate replies.

"The devil came to kill, steal, and destroy, and I will leave it at that." - and that after a tirade about Israel, only presumed to refer to Israel and Jews.

Nice try, but caught ya!

OP... I agreed with you until the last paragraph...

I am Jewish, Messianic Jewish. And I support the nation of Israel existing.

I am also a 5th generation Natural Born American Citizen. And I agree with you 100%, that we as Americans must restore our Constitutional Republic. Israel is not the model for US, agreed.

I have had similar discussions with the Granger, on the topic of restoring citizens' militias, as per the 2nd Amendment. She had proposed following the Israeli model of a citizen military. I told her, that's not our founders intention, at all. And gave her reasons, why.

I also agree with you that giving foreign aid to any nation is unwarranted, and harmful to our nation, and the American people. Again, agreed.

But some parts of your outlook are based on assumptions. Assumptions that I will tell you are false...

1) You referred to Israel as...

"a small subsidized state that is a puppet and puppet master..."

Which is it? Puppet or Puppet Master? It cannot be both, do you understand that?
It is a PUPPET, to a degree, much like our own Gov't is a PUPPET...
The PUPPET-MASTERS, the NWO ELITE, have power in Israel, as they have power in the USA, as they have power in every nation on Earth.

2) We are not financially propping up Israel, as you assume. How is 3 Billion dollars propping up an entire country? We give 7x (SEVEN times) the amount of $Billions in FRNs we give Israel, to Islamic nations that are openly hostile to Israel. This according to Ron Paul himself. So we, the US taxpayer, are being robbed to fund BOTH SIDES of the middle-east conflict. As for their economy, they have a tremendous technology industry, they have a great produce/fruit industry, and an amazing small-arms tech industry. They export a lot of goods. The money they get from US, goes mostly to MIC contracts, and 95% of that 'aid' is necessarily spent HERE in the USA, on military weapons and such. As I said, MIC contracts. They steal money from poor Americans (taxes), and give it as 'coupons' to their partners in Israel, to be spent in their MIC 'store'. So I couldn't agree more that 'foreign aid' should be eliminated altogether.

3) You claim we are fighting proxy wars for Israel... Not true... We are fighting wars for the NWO Elite, who hope to bring forth WW3 to depopulate. Yes, the NWO is using Israel as the centerpiece of it's master plan. They use the religious conflict as their excuse for World War 3... Also, they want to replace G-d's Word, with the Luciferian doctrine... The Jews, who are the ROOT, to the BRANCH that is Christianity, are the main obstacle in the way of a godless society... Just ask Karl Marx, Adolf Hitler, Caesar, or Pharaoh...

To expand on that a little, we back the NWO Elitists in Saudi Arabia, just as much if not more than their Israeli partners. Much of our constant military presence in the mid-east is due to that relationship with the Saudis, and not to do with Israel.

And, despite either country, our military presence all over the mid-east and south asia has more to do with the goals and ambitions of the NWO power-elite HERE in AMERICA, than it does with Israel or Saudi Arabia.

4) You said you were born half-Christian, half-"HEATHEN"?!
Please, do explain what religion you are referring to as "Heathen". No one, no Christian I've ever met, has used the term "Christian-Zionism". You earlier said you would like to see the sites in Israel, but first said you'd like to see the Muslim sites. I know lots of Jews and Christians who've visited Israel, or want to. None of them have said, well I want to visit the Muslim sites... and the Jewish, and Christian ones...

I'm guessing you are really a Muslim.

You said you read "The Bible" (Which Bible? Did you read the original Old Testament, the Torah?)
If you did, then how can you believe Israel is a "farce". That is completely inconsistent with the Bible, New & Old Testaments.

BTW, violence in the mid-east started when Muslim countries simultaneously attacked Israel, because they refused to live next to Jews. I don't doubt that Hitler, and the Nazi Odessa Plan was to have the Jews return to Israel, where they would be destroyed once and for all. But that was not G-D'S plan!!!

Iran recently executed a Christian preacher for preaching Christianity. Christians, women & children are being murdered all throughout the Mid-East. Jews, Christians, and Muslims live peacefully together in Israel.

It is NOT Israel that has continued ancient, barbaric practices in the region, it is the Islamic nations.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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I see by the down-votes that it's not about ending foreign aid..

...or about non-interventionism, for many posters here..

It's about H-I-F, Hating-Israel-FIRST...

..gotta hate those Jews, just gotta...

Do you people even read the whole post, or do you just see
"I am Jewish... and I support the nation of Israel existing?", and then down-vote?

Does reaching an agreement on the important issues matter at all to you, or are you just here to make DP look like a bunch of racists, Jew-haters, and Putin supporters. I notice the H-I-Fers and the Putin supporters are the same folks.

Whatever, if you can't agree with me, a Jew who wants to End all foreign aid, End the FED, Restore the Constitution, and believes in non-interventionism, then good luck getting anyone outside your little H-I-Fer circle jerk to side with you.

You make us all look nuts, too, to the mainstream sheeple.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

You have the

individual freedom to believe what ever you wish, but Yeshua came to break the bondage of the Holy Land of Judea as only for the Hebrew people as originally taught by the Torah and further entrenched by the egocentric Babylonian Pharisses. Modern Judea, now called Israel, isn't built on Torah teachings, but the teachings of the Babylonian Talmud, that teaches Jews are a suprerior race, and gentiles are lesser beings closer to cattle.
Israel isn't the place you hear about in the media, on TV, or the Hollywood set the tourists journey through. I don't know this from what I've read, but testimony from friends both Christian and Muslim who lived there. One friends father, a Christian, who kept his religous belief secret, worked for the Israeli Police Force. There family dates back over 1000 years from Jews who converted to Christianity. Prior to the Nakba, all the religions lived in peace, and they would celebrate each other religous holidays together. They, of course, were against the Nakba, but thought things would return to peace after there was a governement structure established. That's when he decided to join the police force. In the beginning, they were about keeping the peace, but then they moved to a political agenda and started to bully the non-Jews. As more Jewish immigrants came in, they started forcing the non-Jews out of their homes and would kill them if they resisted. He attempted to protest to the government superiors, but nothing changed only became worse. Since, no reprisal would ever occur, they emmigrated to Turkey and once they filed the paperwork came to the US. This is just one example, but I could give many more from other testimonies.
Here's a book you should read, by Jack Bernstein, who believed he was going to a peaceful Jewish homeland. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel.htm

No, 3 billion won't prop an

No, 3 billion won't prop an entire country, but when it makes it's way back here it will pay off quite a few lawmakers.

Yeah, that was my point....

"The money they get from US, goes mostly to MIC contracts, and 95% of that 'aid' is necessarily spent HERE in the USA, on military weapons and such. As I said, MIC contracts. They steal money from poor Americans (taxes), and give it as 'coupons' to their partners in Israel, to be spent in their MIC 'store'. So I couldn't agree more that 'foreign aid' should be eliminated altogether."

Oh, and they do the same exact thing with every other nation that receives foreign aid. Look at Pakistan, their gov't is complicit in the drone murders of their own innocent civilians.

Are we doing the Paki's bidding? The Saudi's too? Egypt, giving them F-16s? All these nations... Killing for them? Who is the puppet, and who is the puppeteer?

Money! Baal!, Satan!, that is the puppeteer.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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just for clarification

You don't think that money in itself is the problem, do you?

To me, it all boils down to craving more power, and money just so happens to be a tangible representation of one's 'power'.

IMO, that lust for power, greed, ambition-- whatever one wishes to call it, is both our greatest and worst asset as a species. Like so many other things, I believe that even this trait-- an undeniable part of each of us, no matter how small or grand, has its place in the world. If not, why would it exist? /ramble

I agree that not all the blame for the state of the U.S. and/or the Middle-East should be placed squarely on Israeli shoulders, though. If anything, the U.S. (and those who allow it to happen; we the people) should be taking the lion's share of the blame.

A signature used to be here!

The worship of money... Baal...

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
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Lawman, Granger, and Grayspan or whatever.

I have to lump you all into nothing but a deceived bunch.

I know it sucks to realize it.

But I don't think you have enough power to destroy the American Idea yet.

And you can't wait any longer, because the word is already out.

So Grayspan is leaving the country, what a statement.

Heathen: Explanation

I should have been clearer I suppose. By "heathen" what I meant is I was "raised" by parents who were unbelievers in Jesus Christ or in any god or deity, or at best, they were agnostics. My maternal grandparents took me to church every Sunday though my parents never would attend. Thank you for your reply, but I am not going to split hairs explaining my words in a long dialogue in which we will never agree. It is fine to disagree. Your guess that I am a Muslim is not angering, but it is offensive simply because you may never have looked at my profile here wherein my personal statement is "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." - John 3:16 Perhaps you did and just misunderstood me. I have had Muslim friends and acquaintances, and never have they been barbaric to me and only lamented the current "Christian" and "Jewish" treatment carried out by "us" in Muslim countries. Anyway,God bless you and I only wish you to wish me a Happy Reformation Day on October 31st.

"The founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with." Ron Paul

"For the country to get better, it needs more than just politicians. Politicians aren't enough. It needs a resurgence through churches, through revivals, through a spiritual

For reference to the convo I had with Granger, see this thread:

...just scroll down a little until you see it...

http://www.dailypaul.com/298835/james-madison-federalist-46-...

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

LawMan, I suggest you stick to principle and avoid Labels

Also, understand that we are fed a lot of crap by the media.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christandpopculture/2013/05/mus...

Eh, La bas, Cher

Thank you bayou for a kind and sincere post. I respect where you are coming from, though I was raised by wolves, I felt a strong spiritual connection, had been oddly enough baptised catholic by my mother, who was not catholic, and this had really upset my father, who was a pagen gone objectivist.. I was confirmed Catholic two years ago. During Bible Study we traced Lord Jesus' footsteps on a map.. my Bible from the First Vatican had many maps, of many eras, and I thought, I would like to go tour the holy sites one day. And I prayed on that.. found the Franciscans give the tours, though there are many tours by other Catholic denominations.

Meanwhile, outside Bible study, when I thought of Israel and the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Hights, I saw what appeared to be an insane inhumanity being perpetrated by the Jews, not just against the rightful owners to the occupied Palestine, but against the world, everything they touched they destroyed.. they even killed Jesus. I can go on and on about how I felt, I marched with A.N.S.W.E.R., I sincerely believe many of the conspiracys about them. I knew a lot of them, but didn't see the ones I knew as Jews, for some reason. I did, but I didn't. I never went up to a Jew I knew and said, "You have destroyed the planet with your globalization and killing Jesus!"

And then, I don't know why, I began to wonder why Ron Paul said, "Israel is our riend." How the hell can Israel be our friend? Didn't Ron Paul SEE what Israel is doing to the Palestinians? Doesn't he know what the Israelis are doing to America?" So I began to look for reasons WHY Israel is our friend.

It was not easy. There are 80 YouTubes anti-Israel to one YouTube that is pro-Israel, and many of the ones that are pro-Israel are not entertaining but they are interesting, at least I found them interesting, and learning about Israel had me learning about many thngs, and then it was like a combination lock sprung open, and I had epiphanies.. I saw many amazing things that people are doing, and I came to understand that it is the freedom they have, they way their state is operated, they are more like the US was than we are.

Ron Paul's 08 campaign he would say, "Freedom is popular". Perhaps it is the most popular among Jews? They've been running from slavery since Moses.

Since Moses, Empires and have and gone, the past one, the British Empire leaving 15% of the "promised land" to the Jews who survived the holocast. The previous empire was the Ottoman Empire and it was Turkish, not Arab (Or Persian).

If you have a moment, I would appreciate you reading this wiki history about the city of Jerusalem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

You will see facts and numbers of people that you are concerned about.. I think it may suprize you.

I pray for you as well Granger.

And one of my prayers for you has been answered. It seems that your dyslexia has been cured or you have found a way to work around it effectively.

You will wake up to find the truth if you continue your studies.

Granger's cured?

It's a miracle!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Something has happened to Granger. She is no longer the wounded

bird fighting for liberty, with dyslexia and feeding to homeless.

She now is stating exact arguments. And they are all anti-Constitution and anti Liberty.

I only said her 'dyslexia' seems to have been cured. Personally I doubt that we have been corresponding with the same 'person' over the years.

Praying for you Granger, that you...

...eventually convert from Roman-ism (catholic...pagan) to CHRISTIANITY!!

(Look it up, folks, the Pope-worshipers have martyred far more Christians than Islam ever will.)

Thank you axisOFgood

When my Mom passed away, seemed perfect time to find out what I had suffered for all those years.. some baptism I never remembered, but have pictures. Even my God Mother said, she didn't know what possessed my Mother to have me baptised since neither of my parents were Catholic, or Christian. I have no regrets getting my confirmation as it has been a blessing, I am learning a lot about life.. about Jesus and mercy, love and FAITH.

Could you fill that prayer and provide the source you want folks to look up? Thank you!!

Quotes from Israel Prime Ministers, Public Officials and Talmud

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- Moshe Dayan, April 1969, Ha'aretz; quoted in Edward Said, 'Zionism from the Standpoint of Its Victims', Social Text, Volume 1, 1979, 7-58.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth's Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)

"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.

"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.

"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

"Every time we do something, you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel;

We, the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
October 3, 2001
(IAP News)

TALMUD QUOTES

Sanhedrin 59a

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b

When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

Mas. Shabbath 31b

On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle.

Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.

Sanhedrin 58b

If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

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Israel has no friends, only victims; and for those foolish Christian Zionists, who would destroy the humanity to usher in the "Second Coming," this quotation from Matthew:

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

WTF?

Why is this garbage on the front page.This reads like it should have been an email between two people, not an article on the front page of the Daily Paul. Some piece of shit moderator is making is all look like a bunch of dumbadsses. Get your shit together, mods.

+1

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Oh well

Who you gunna call?

Great post

Thank you for your very sincere, personal post that provides what many need: some gentle guidance, not name-calling or ad hominem attacks. Like you, as a Christian, I am concerned about the Zionists who are blind to the misdeeds of the Israeli state, including the dislocation and oppression of Palestians (including Palestinian Christians, whose villages were destroyed alongside those of Muslims). There is also a very real issue of Dispensationalism within American Christianity, especially when it is applied the modern state of Israel. This flies in the face of many centuries of Christian exegesis, which has understood the Church as the true, spiritual Israel---not the Jewish people and certainly not a country established in 1948. The Bible is about Jesus Christ, the son of the house of David, the Prince of Peace, who washes away the stain of sin with His blood, not David Ben Gurion.

As an aside, read about Ben Gurion here, the "George Washington" of Israel. As is written, "Wherefore by their fruits, ye shall know them."
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/ben-gurion-s-dark-side.premiu...

"For example, in the reprisal attack on Kibiyeh in 1953, infiltrators threw a grenade at a family home in Yehud and a mother and two children were killed. The same day Ben-Gurion ordered the blowing up of 50 houses in Kibiyeh. The orders of Operation Shoshana stated clearly, "Blowing up homes and harming the residents and driving them form the village." The next order defined the goal as, "Attacking the village, its temporary occupation, destruction and maximal harm to people" (Benny Morris, "Israel's Border Wars 1949-1956"). The result: 45 houses blown up with their residents inside, 69 dead, mostly women and children. Was this not a war crime?"