0 votes

Where is it stated that IRS is private company?

Where is it stated that IRS is private company?

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

The IRS is a government corporation

The IRS is a government corporation created by the Secretary of the Treasury pursuant to a congressional statutory grant of authority (see specifically IRC § 7801). The IRS is not an agency of the United States Government but it is declared by statute to be a federal agency of the United States. The United States Government was created by the Constitution as a central government representing the interests of the several States. Congress, however, is delegated authority over its territory and other property, i.e., the United States, pursuant to Art. 4 § 3(2), Congress' power to make "all needful rules and regulations" over its territory, i.e., United States' property or real estate. Acting in this capacity, Congress is not acting as a central government for the several States but is acting in the capacity as a state legislature over its territory and other property. The federal income tax is not pursuant to Art 1 § 8(1) but Art. 4 § 3(2). The Secretary in IRC § 7805 is delegated the authority to enforce Title 26 with "all needful rules and regulations." The Commissioner has only the authority the Secretary delegates to him as he is an inferior or subordinate public officer. No authority to enforce the internal revenue laws is delegated to him by statute. A Treasury Order specifically names the Commissioner to be the Chief Executive Officer of the IRS. The IRS is a government corporation which administers taxes laid within United States' territories and insular possessions and upon those who are subject to Congress' Art. 4 § 3(2) legislative jurisdiction, i.e., the "citizen of the United States" wherever resident.

/s/ Timothy I. McCrory
mailto:tim@nontaxpayer.net

Why the Citizens of the Several States
Are Not Generally Liable for the
Federal Income Tax
http://www.nontaxpayer.net/Notliablebook.html

/s/ Timothy I. McCrory
mailto:tim@nontaxpayer.net

Why the Citizens of the Several States
Are Not Generally Liable for the
Federal Income Tax
http://www.nontaxpayer.net/Notliablebook.html

reply

The IRS is actually a private collection agency hired by and working for the U.S. Dept of the Treasury as a revenue collection subcontractor. They are exactly what they say they are A REVENUE COLLECTION SERVICE, not much different than the ones working for Banks that need to collect outstanding credit card debt. It is no different than Blackwater which is a private contract para-military police force. Do you understand now?

Public or Private

The IRS is both public and private. They are a creation of the globalist so there is no specific legal definition for them even though you will find that they are "incorporated" out of Puerto Rico, a territory of the federal government.

The necessary question is how does the IRS relate to YOU, whether public or private? The answer is they have no authority over you until you give it to them by not responding in a manner that is conducive to your freedom. In other words, they take control of your "legal" position by tricking you into talking to them.

The IRS is like any corporation who claims to be from government whether they are or are not. The way to handle them is to challenge their authority by attacking the standing of the people that represent the agency and any attorney who claims they work for the fiction.
Dr. Defacto

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s
realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." -Ron Paul 7/10/03

http://www.powerpolitics.com
“If Americans wish to be free of judicial tyranny, they must at least develop basic knowledge of the judicial role in our republican government. The present state of affairs is a direct result of our collective ignorance.”

Ron Paul believes

the Truth... that the FED and the IRS are non-governmental agencies. He has stated that there is no law to pay taxes, it's illegal and unconstitutional. It is an organization owned by a banking cartel. He also states that it's been put into peoples minds that it's a gov agency and the law to pay taxes because they (the IRS) use force to intimidate the American into submission to pay.

Joe

More about the fed

The fake artifical counties ( COUNTY OF WHATEVER ) The real countys are ( Whatever County) The fake county of's are registured to the federal reserve as private busineses. If the counties are going to be private busineses, to be legal they must be registered to state or federal government. #1.Counties are supposed to be counties, not private busineses . You can see if your county is a private company at Dun & Bradstreet . So this makes them an illegal private business. #2.The federal reserve is running an illegal operation because they are registuring these businesses (counties meaning police dept. court house, govt.center.) to them selfs as sub corporations. this is hard for me to explain more and other info at usavsus.info

IRS

I believe the IRS has authority thru Congress to collect taxes for the central bank... I.E. The Fed

EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF TAXES ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

Excise, import, income? Direct apportioned, direct unapportioned? If you are referring to a direct unapportioned tax like the federal income tax, the Congress of the United States of America has never had any such authority per the ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION ratified in 1789. And the 16th amendment DID NOT state anything different to change the original law.

I believe I heard Dr. Paul say...Anyone want to add to this?

That all the money we pay to the IRS goes directly to the Federal Reserve and that our govt gets none of that money to run the govt, It all goes towards the national debt.

Anyone want to add to this?

Ed and Elaine Brown

Tragic Tragic story...Poor elderlyish couple in jail..who took a stand. Please search them

I believe Ed's been gassed or something..

IRS

Here is a link that explains quit well the IRS

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

Hope that will clear things up.

Taomaster

Not the IRS

It's the Federal Reserve that is privately owned.

The IRS is apparently the collection agency for the (privately owned) Fed.

Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947

I think 1 of us is confused!

The federale reserve is inthe white pages next to fed express not IRS (Internal Revinue Service is as gov as gov gets so I think you meant the FED not IRS ?If my info is wrong let me know please maybe watch AMERICA FREEDOM TO FASCISM by AARON RUSSO on google

What is the IRS.

The IRS is the collection agency for the mob.

Everything you like to know about the IRS but were afraid to ask

Go here and read!!, http://www.losthorizons.com/Intro.pdf

No excuses just read it. I promise it will change you life!!! As it has mine. You will be told the truth and the horrible secrets of the IRS and the INCOME TAX will be revealed. Takes about 20 min to read.

After you are done then go here:

http://www.losthorizons.com/IncomeTaxSiteMap.htm

This is absolutely the most knowledgeable person about the illegal income tax I have ever researched.

Warmest Regards
Stephen Dupont
New Bedford, Massachusetts

amazing debate about the fed and RP's true position on it

on the CNN fed question thread here.. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/29918

come participate and help frame the right question

THE MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE IRS WOULD BE....

a Quasi-Government Agency. In the end, once one breaks through all of the fluff, what is left by definition is a "private" corporation.

THE MORE ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF THE IRS WOULD BE....

a Quasi-Government Agency. In the end, once one breaks through all of the fluff, what is left by definition is a "private" corporation.

Good stuff

I got them convinced at least of suspicious pratices

I can say the IRS IS NOT An agency

For the UNITED STATES.

In diversified metals vs t-bow trust, steve morgan, IRS

The Govt responded to an answers and claim as" Denies the Internal Revenue Service is an agency for the UNTIED STATES GOVERNMENT" NOT an agency for the GUVMINT, equates to a PRIVATE CORPORATION.

Also I do not remember where it is in the tax code, But they also give themselves an exemption in very coded language.

Freedom may be worth searching for.

I have given up on my fellow Americans, (not DPers) as I will not shed one more calorie trying to awaken anyone else who is not a critical thinker and does not have the inherent feeling that something is wrong.

by definition the IRS must be gov, then why do the employees

of this agency get a federale pay checks then? the excuse you are referring to i think is like dick cheney saying he is not part of the executive branch but the congress?this is as federal as it gets they are fully run by the gov within not like the FED which is cental bankers the IRS olny collects money why is that make them a private entity ?because of one court case?What does Dr paul say ?that is the question!

IRS Not Private Co., but...

The issue with the IRS is not that it is a private company (although the Federal Reserve IS a private company). The IRS is under the Department of Treasury. Perhaps you're thinking of the assertions that the IRS is a fraudulently created organization:

IRS Never Actually Created by Act of Congress:
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/CREATEirs.html

Fraudulent Origins of IRS:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/2002febHEARING/update0...

IRS IS NOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/04-17-05/discussion.cgi.92....

"Send a Freedom Of Information Act request to your CON-gressmen and ask them for a copy and the name and number of the act that created the IRS as a government agency. All they can come up with is some act of 1862 that establishes the office of commissioner of the IRS. All that did was create the office of the commissioner who is just a figure head of a PRIVATE CORP just as the commissioner of the Federal Reserve is the head of the PRIVATE CORP Federal Reserve. The IRS is a Criminal Extortion Racket run out of Puerto RICO collectioning on the Federal Bankrupty of 1933."

http://www.illuminati-news.com/irs.htm

IRS IS NOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCY

"The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the United States government. It is true that not only can it NOT be found in Title 31, but it is nowhere to be found in the entirety of Title 5 U.S.C."

"Congress THOUGHT it created it but it didn't. Just look at the 1100 manual and it tells you so. Congress only created the Commissioner's Office. He then hired the private collection agency people and used them as the tax collectors. In fact, I defy you to find any IRS employee listed as an Employee of the United States Government with a United States Employee Identification number that has been hired by any District Director in the country. Now I suggest you look at 27 Code of Federal Regulations Section 250.11 and therein you will find the definition of "Revenue agent." That definition reads "Any duly authorized Commonwealth Internal Revenue Agent of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico."

IRS is not, the US Postal Service is.

Go President Paul!

’In accordance with the principles of double-think it does not matter if the war is not real. For when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous.’ (George Orwell, 1984)

Character of U.S. Postal Service

Sorry to burst your bubble but the U.S. Postal Service is a privately owned corporation subject to federal law. No postal service employee is an agent or employee of the federal government. Nixon wiped that out back in 1971 when he aided and abetted the international banksters in their scheme to debase the U.S. dollar.

A better rundown

Here's some very good research ripping the IRS a new one. It is indeed not a governmental organization

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm

You might be thinking of this court case

in which a US Attorney denied the IRS is an agency of the US government
http://www.nontaxpayer.net/irsnara0.html

It's all

very convoluted, intentionally I'm sure. You'll have to do your own research, but it appears to me that the IRS is nothing more than a Trust established in the territory of Puerto Rico.

http://www.supremelaw.org/sls/31answers.htm
http://www.usa-the-republic.com/revenue/who%20and%20what%20i...

Okay... you just answered your own question and...

you have been disingenuous in asking it in the first place, imho.
Why ask about something you already know the answer to?
An explanation is more than welcome.
Thanks
Go Ron Paul