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The Book Of Mormon and anti-preemptive war verses

Interesting verses concerning Preemptive War in The Book Of Mormon

The Book Of Mormon contains a 1000 year history of two groups of people named the Lamanites and the Nephites who were descendants of the Tribe of Manasseh. In short, The Nephites were God fearing people who worshiped Christ and were “the other sheep” that Christ said “should hear his voice” (see St John 10:16). The Lamanites did not believe in Christ and continually sought to destroy the Nephites. Throughout the entire Book Of Mormon, the Lamanites sallied into Nephite territory and launched preemptive wars against the Nephites, and the Nephites, with the help of God, were supported and victorious in defending themselves against those who sought their destruction.

The Nephites never sent their troops into Lamanite territory to launch a preemptive attack, nor did the Nephites police or occupy the land of the Lamanites. From 200 AD until around 400 AD, the Nephites turned from a state of Righteousness and loyalty to Christ and his teachings to a state of wickedness. At the end of The Book Of Mormon, the Lamanites attacked the Nephites on Nephite soil and the Nephites beat the Lamanites, and the following was written:

7 And it came to pass that in the three hundred and sixty and first year the Lamanites did come down to the city of Desolation to battle against us; and it came to pass that in that year we did beat them, insomuch that they did return to their own lands again.
8 And in the three hundred and sixty and second year they did come down again to battle. And we did beat them again, and did slay a great number of them, and their dead were cast into the sea.
9 And now, because of this great thing which my people, the Nephites, had done, they began to boast in their own strength, and began to swear before the heavens that they would avenge themselves of the blood of their brethren who had been slain by their enemies.
10 And they did swear by the heavens, and also by the throne of God, that they would go up to battle against their enemies, and would cut them off from the face of the land.
11 And it came to pass that I, Mormon, did utterly refuse from this time forth to be a commander and a leader of this people, because of their wickedness and abomination.
(Book of Mormon | Mormon 3:7 - 11)

14 And when they had sworn by all that had been forbidden them by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, that they would go up unto their enemies to battle, and avenge themselves of the blood of their brethren, behold the voice of the Lord came unto me, saying:
15 Vengeance is mine, and I will repay; and because this people repented not after I had delivered them, behold, they shall be cut off from the face of the earth.
16 And it came to pass that I utterly refused to go up against mine enemies; and I did even as the Lord had commanded me; and I did stand as an idle witness to manifest unto the world the things which I saw and heard, according to the manifestations of the Spirit which had testified of things to come.
(Book of Mormon | Mormon 3:14 - 16)

4 And it was because the armies of the Nephites went up unto the Lamanites that they began to be smitten; for were it not for that, the Lamanites could have had no power over them.
5 But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed.
(Book of Mormon | Mormon 4:4 - 5)

After the decision of the Nephites to change their policy to one of Preemptive war, they were not supported by God anymore, and the Lamanites destroyed the Nephites, and the Lamanites who were not completely destroyed are the descendants of the American Indians.

Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate running that opposes preemptive war, and he believes a President must follow the Constitution--if time permits, congress must declare war before any President is allowed commit our troops to battle; otherwise, the President and a handful of men in the Executive branch, whether they be Democrats or Republicans, whether they be good or evil, whether they have sound judgment or unsound judgment can mobilize the most powerful military in the world for good or for evil.

All the other presidential candidates including Mitt Romney have no problem committing our troops without a Congressional declaration, and they are ok with attacking a nation that has not attacked us. A few terrorists from Saudi Arabia attacked the World Trade Centers, because we occupied their land. Iraq did not attack us.

Our Constitution is hanging by threads, and Mormons by voting for Ron Paul can save the Constitution. My hope is that members of my church will go to Ron Paul Library.com and Ron Paul 2008.com and study concerning Ron Paul. Please watch his You/Tube videos.

Ron Paul came in 2nd in the Nevada Primaries, and 2nd in the Louisiana caucuses even though the media has blacked him out and had worked against him. It is amazing what he has done with significant forces working against him.


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how did this get bumped?

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I MUST be new on here; I thought this was a current thread--

oh well--

I thought Mitt was gone, but then I am afraid he is not gone.

Perhaps this was bumped because of the anti-war site which was just suggested--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Thank you for this Post!

It is awesome to see people from the same religion as Romney supporting Ron Paul and seeing the wolf in sheeps whoal. Romney is definately a wolf, he is decieteful using his religion to get votes and support. I am LDS (well after today maybe not*) and was very interested in Benson's writings before I knew about Ron Paul.


Thank You...

for the re-affirmation of my beliefs in relation to this years crazy, mixed election. As soon as Mitt Romney entered the race, as a Mormon, I was very interested in his candidacy. But as soon as I found out about his past political manuevers and buisness schemes, it turned out he is just another 'politician', and we have far too many of those things infesting goverment of all levels now.

Wheras Dr. Ron Paul stands out as a shining example of the type of statesman that our forefathers meant to be our leaders. His past efforts on behalf of basic, fundamental constitutional principles are brilliantly contrasted by the record of ALL the other candidates. There is no question as to who should be our next president. My only question is why Ron Paul is not a Mormon. He already is in practice.

oh dear . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Ron Paul might not take that as a compliment--

there are good people from EVERY religion--

and bad people in every religion.

Generalizing isn't wise--

"oh be wise, what more can I say?"--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--


I'm not here to bash on any religions, far from it, prophecies or not, not everyone is going to believe anything that comes out of the book of mormon after reading it. Sorry,........

"The real terrorist's are in this country. They are not planning to blow us up,......... but rather, take our money, our freedom, and our country."

Outstanding Post

Vote RON PAUL 2008
Maybe I'm a bit biased (I was a convert to the LDS some years ago, haven't been active for many years but I can usually tell when TRUTH is inspired -- as this posting seems to me to be).

-- Thanks for sharing that.

Here's something from The Holy Bible, a setting that always should accompany The Book of Mormon, as you know // This from King James Version [my personal copy published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah, U.S.A. 1983]

And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

This is a little TRUTH I thought I'd take the opportunity to share with YOU and everyone else reading and listening. My reason for this is to bring attention to a little matter of electron-microscope research being conducted by a Professor Steven E. Jones, formerly of Brigham Young University (BYU), Utah, wherein he has recently examined samples of dust from the World Trade Center disaster and determined that same dust contains a series of specific elements only otherwise accountable in a chemical compound known as Thermate, i.e., a cutting device sometimes used to slice steel.

Which leads me to remind everyone that even though the towers were 'brought down' and certain evidence shipped overseas, the voices of the dead whispered from their grave ('out of the ground') TRUTH 'out of the dust' as foretold by ISAIAH in Chapter 29, verse 4. It's now up to us (the listener) to recognize that 'familiar spirit' and understand that 'whisper'.

Vote RON PAUL 2008

The Constitution

The Mormon Vote -- if there is such a thing, since the LDS church does not endorse candidates -- should not be ignored. Mormons exercise their franchise at a much higher rate than other Americans and are very dedicated to the constitution.



One of the things that meshes well with me as a Latter Day Saint and as a Ron Paul supporter is his commitment to personal agency. As a Mormon I have made commitments to abide by certain standards of behavior, but I don't hold other people who have not made such commitments to the same standard -- and I still have much to learn. I respect the agency of all and where they are "at" on life's path.

Coercion was the plan of the Satan. We cannot force people to do things we consider virtuous, or no virtue results from it. If men and women are free to choose good and evil, I believe much more good will ultimately be accomplished. When we believe the government will fulfill our obligations to our fellow man, well, we see the result....

Bump...great reading and...

it does support the constitutional ideals upon which the "Revolution" has based its platform. So a big AMEN...as we need the support of all people who believe in the Constitution and our Republic.


speaking of preemptive war

I wish I could have aired this 2 minute YouTube before Bush gave his SOTU speech tonight. (Especially on the Fox News channel.)


"As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free." - Morpheus, from The Matrix

Thanks for sharing Joseph!

"Vengeance is mine, and I will repay"

Is good to hear that I'm not alone in this area. At the same time, it's great to be united as people that are supporting a candidate that defends freedom of worship according to the dictates of our minds...

or to not worship at all. Whatever floats your boat as long as you don't bother or hurt other people.

You can vote for Ron Paul and still be a good Mormon.

Good mormons also vote for Ron Paul.

Second that.

Second that.

Exactly Right!

It is too bad that not only members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, like me, can not see the problem with preemptive war, but also a good junk of the USA. I have been ashamed of Romney's answers. I think he needs to do his homework and read both the Book of Mormon, for his personal benefit, and the Constitution, for the benefit of our country.

Ron Paul has my vote!

the mit romulan

isnt a very good mormon.

Perfect question for Mitt Romney in a debate.

What happened to the Nephrites in the Book of Mormon and could that not be similar to what is happening in our world today with Islamic Fascism....

Will god leave us if we continue our policies of preemptive wars.

Again, lets remember

that there are people here from many different religeous and non religeous persuasions, and there are ways we can all help to spread the message of freedom and liberty.

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."
Thomas Jefferson


One can't use error (Book of Mormon) to argue against error (Iraq War).

Not even Mitt Romney can successfully do this.

truth is truth wherever found . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

on Christian or on heathen ground--

if it's true, it's true--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The Book of Mormon isn't

The Book of Mormon isn't error. You say this but I guarantee you've never read it.

You tryed posting this to

You tryed posting this to Romney's site?

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."

To Mormons reading that: Read this.

33 And again, this is the law that I gave unto mine ancients, that they should not go out unto battle against any nation, kindred, tongue, or people, save I, the Lord, commanded them.
34 And if any nation, tongue, or people should proclaim war against them, they should first lift a standard of peace unto that people, nation, or tongue;
35 And if that people did not accept the offering of peace, neither the second nor the third time, they should bring these testimonies before the Lord;
36 Then I, the Lord, would give unto them a commandment, and justify them in going out to battle against that nation, tongue, or people.
37 And I, the Lord, would fight their battles, and their children's battles, and their children's children's, until they had avenged themselves on all their enemies, to the third and fourth generation.
38 Behold, this is an ensample unto all people, saith the Lord your God, for justification before me.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 98:33 - 38)

This is not meant

to be a mormon versus non-mormon argument here, just a pro Ron Paul post to help anyone who may be interested in understanding that many of us who belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have strong feelings about the Constitution, pre-emptive war, and honest, moral leaders. Anti-mormon retoric here probably does not help in the cause of those of us trying to bring our mormon friends on board.

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."
Thomas Jefferson

good point . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

thank you--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Swords rust, especially

Swords rust, especially withing 1600 years. the last war in The Book Of Mormon occured over 1500 years ago. However, the archeogical ruins still exist. South America is full of Ancient ruins.

"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change of circumstances, become his own."
Thomas Jefferson

Is this a Ron Paul forum -

Is this a Ron Paul forum - this lame argument from both sides needs to be posted else where- Your first stament was valid but this is just going to spiral into an argument about mormons- so just give it up both of you morons arguing

Is this a Ron Paul forum -

Is this a Ron Paul forum - this lame argument from both sides needs to be posted else where- Your first stament was valid but this is just going to spiral into an argument about mormons- so just give it up both of you morons arguing

Some of these posts

are the reason I still cannot figure out the mind set of Mitt.

Based on his upbringing and years of family involvment do not add up the what Mitt was saying.

Think he was just going along to get along? It would be a high price to pay.

there are cultural Baptists, cultural Jews, cultural Muslims

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

cultural Catholics, cultural Mormons, cultural EVERYthing--

people who do not understand their own religious beliefs and do not live by them--

these people often follow mindlessly political movements begun by evil people of any religion, including atheism.

I believe cultural religionists, who simply follow a culture of a religion and not the religion--

can be good people, but they should not represent their inherited religion--

Mitt Romney, in doing this, has caused untold damage and not just to Mormons.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

The book of mormon also

The book of mormon also justified beheading someone because it is better that one man should perish than a whole nation dwindle in unbelief. Neocon mormons can use that as justification for spreading democracy by force, along with all of the parts of the bible that can be interpreted to encourage war mongering. You just have to accept that you can't use religious texts to influence people's stances on policy issues, because there is always another interpretation that supports their views. While this would make Jacques Derrida proud, it doesn't do grassroots activists much good. The only thing the Bible has without a doubt done to influence elections is guarantee that only a Christian (preferably not a Mormon, Eastern Christian, "heretic", or really anything other than protestant or maybe a Catholic) can be elected as president.

that was only (realizing how long ago you posted)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

after the man had threatened the life of the person who beheaded him--

seriously, as in sending out soldiers after him--

in that case . . . the argument remains the same. It was an act of self-defense, but it was still reprehensible to someone who didn't want to kill.

There aren't very many people who have been in battle and killed in self-defense who haven't been tormented by it.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--