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Is Russell Brand's Socialism the answer?


http://youtu.be/RzCzVEJbR2Q

What are your thoughts? The video is anti-socialist and well worth the watch.



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Believing in socialism is often a stepping-stone to ultimately

embracing libertarianism.

It's a predictable pattern whenever someone wakes up to the corruption around them. They see rich oppressing poor and seek revenge in their minds through taxation.

So while disappointing it is not surprising to hear these things from him. If he is attacked he will dig in his heels but if the conversation is kept polite he may just come around.

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Socialism is diametrically opposed to Libertarianism.

I think what you are saying is ....

That when one first begins to be interested in politics. When they see the poverty and disaster of it all, their knee jerk reaction is Socialism. For many it is a starting point.

Then a bit of education may lead them to libertarianism. But giving a shit is the first step.

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I know that and you know that.

But do they know that?

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That is the hope....

And I do like the guy.... and I did go through the same learning....

As Gandhi said. "No point hatin' on a brother for having the same weaknesses we all have"

I think a black Gandhi said that one in hindsight.

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I can't wrap my head around everyone's fixation on this guy.

Why do so many give a hoot about what this guy said?

It's not like he's someone as acclaimed and influential as an Elvis, Carlin, Lennon, or Leno or someone of that notoriety.

He sure isn't some national libertarian or constitution icon.

He's some guy that likes to hear himself talk, gets off on the little fame he has and simply takes full advantage of the interviews he does get, just to be a character but is seemingly clueless about what he promotes, and only the four people that watch him, or have heard of him know (or care) what he said. lol

It just baffles me.

Media is power

Although I do like his charisma, even if it was someone I dont care about like say Miley Cyrus or some pop singer and they got all political, I would still comment because that is where the eyeballs are.

It doesn't do much good to tell people their interests are shit. I just try to talk to them on their turf, until they want to come to my turf.

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Don't take me wrong.

I'm not dogging people's interests. I just find it off-keel that so many concern themselves so deeply with the antics of a guy that so little of the population even knows exists.

It just isn't like whatever this guy says is going to influence the entire country.

Yeah that is fair

But I find it even funnier that so many people concern themselves with Obama or Bernanke.

We know what they are gonna be selling before they speak.

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How about grade socialism?

The whole class gets the average of all grades earned.

Will the class excel?

Free includes debt-free!

It was tried (at harvard if memory serves.)

No one showed up to the test. :) they all failed

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Only if the question is

How to create the one world inc. corporate monopoly.

True

:)

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Our Destiny is a government of, by and for the people. That is what our founders wanted. no political hierarchy, equality of all. Legislation enacted by the people.

That being said.

In Our form of government where the government is ours, socialism is nothing more than charity which we are all very good at. If we all decide to levy a tax on something to help the needy is that socialism if WE do it or is it just considered charity.

Our problem is the inherent corruption and the legislative control by the corporation/lobbyists. Our charity never makes it to the intended poor,

It is ideologically impossible to have socialism in our intended form of government.

More faulty civics

1. The government is not ours. The government is separate and apart from society and it rules over society via brute force.
2. We all do not decide to levy a tax on something...the legislature levies a tax, and it is not obligated to provide a service in return.

Your conclusions would be correct if your premises were correct, but they are not.

Your opinion of the facts determine your position on the political scale.

The premise is

The premise is correct.
Unfortunately We as a nation have lost direction and corrupted as our founders said we would.

We must grab hold of OUR house. People have forgotten what we are through years of media lies.

whos house?

legally, your premise is errant.
You are attempting to reconcile your years of programming with the reality of our situation.

The government does not work for society, it occupies society.
It has the power to harm society with legal impunity.
-If a lawmaker votes for a law that harms you, can you sue him?
--If a policeman harms you in carrying out the lawmakers will, can you sue him?
---If a judge harms you when upholding the lawmakers will, can you sue him?
----Are the lawmakers obligated to obey your will or are you obligated to obey the the lawmakers?

The government consists of the legislature and the army of men they employ to carry out their will.

Your opinion of the above determine your place on the political spectrum.
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Also...
Taxation is confiscating from another using force
Charity is gifting to another voluntarily
The two are antithetical.

I agree

whole heartedly.

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Sorry brother...

I was with you for about 10 years...

But I finally grew a pair became an anarchist. Government has no business being in our business.

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Vote with your Money

We all voluntarily contribute our money in some sort of form. Starting a business..purchasing a product..making investments..donations. What Russel is asking for is an authoritarian socialistic system and that's dangerous. If you don't like certain corporations vote with your money and look elsewhere.

Its hard to vote with your dollars when....

half of them are stolen every year.

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Just because

He speaks the english language well does not mean he has common sense imo.

donvino

Like most his heart is in the right place...

Its the age old saying....

If you are not a socialist by the time 20 you have no heart. IF you are still one by the time you are 30 you have no brain. :)

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Of course

not. Socialism is an age old question, with a simple (at least to me) answer.

Should I have to work to take care of someone that doesn't work? NO

If the answer is Yes then what stops me just becoming a loafer? Nothing. The process continues until only the most ambitious, productive working people are left working to take care of everyone.

This doesn't stop me from voluntarily giving charity. The difference is use of force.

Socialism is not

charity. It is state control over the resources and means of production of society. It has NOTHING to do with taking from the fortunate and giving to the less fortunate and everything to do with the government having total control over all the wealth of society. (to do with as it pleases)

I Agree

Socialism is NOT charity. That's not what I was saying. Socialism is FORCE which is THIEVERY in my eyes which is WRONG.

I was saying being against socialism doesn't mean I can't be charitable - If I CHOOSE, that's the point. We are in agreement.

That is what I took your statement

to mean

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Agreed Again.

That is the problem with DP. Preaching to the choir. :)

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well at least

we can fashion this philosophy into something sturdy

The more we bat it around, the sharper we'll become, and the more influential we'll be... :)

Obviously the answer is "NO".

Obviously the answer is "NO".