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Ron Paul rejects libertarian candidate in Virginia for Governor

On Monday, former Congressman and staunch libertarian Ron Paul (R-TX) campaigned for Virginia Republican Governor candidate Ken Cuccinelli and said Virginias would be giving up on liberty if they voted for Democrat Terry McAuliffe in Tuesday's election and would be "insane" if they voted for so-called libertarian Robert Sarvis, the third-party candidate who may siphon enough votes from Cuccinelli to spoil the election.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/04/Ron-Paul-...



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Well, that's too bad.

I voted for Sarvis on principle. It was Cuccinelli's fault for not winning my vote, despite it being very tempting to "beat McAuliffe".

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

Ron Paul was right.

Every single person who voted for Sarvis was completely insane, as is their current excuses for what they've helped to happen. Their obstinate idiocy (not to mention ignorance given some of Sarvis' economic views) is comparable to the Black Army (anarchists) helping the Bolsheviks prevail in the October Revolution.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

it's called denial

The Sarvis voters said "NO" to Cuccinnelli's backwards social views. They did not like the economic views of McAulliffe, but what Ron, Rand, and all the folks on this board who are upset do not get, is that many voters considered Cuccinnelli's 18th century social views JUST AS BAD as McAulliffe's socialism.

A person who is in jail due to a victimless crime is not going to care whether or not the economy is doing well.

Even after watching Cuccinnelli lose this election, you guys just don't get it. He might have had a chance had he backed off on some of his past policies, and admitted they were extreme. This strategy of paying off Ron Paul to come to his rally did not work. Ron Paul supporters might be among the most loyal, BUT, most of them are not so stupid that they are going to vote for somebody without looking at their track record.

Not wanting to abort 8 month old children is not extreme

imbecile.

abortion

What are you talking about - Aborting 8 month child is already illegal

Nevermind

Nevermind - i just realized who posted that. Obviously, as you showed yesterday - you have an agenda and are willing to say anything to further it.

I never specified that to be extreme

Rather than calling me an imbecile based upon your false speculation on what you think I consider an extreme view, you could simply ask for an example.

Cuccilnelli, as District Attorney, attempting to invoke a SODOMY LAW in order to prosecute a case is extreme.

Oh grow up you idiot.

How was Ron Paul bought off? Cuccinelli and Paul agree on the stupid abortion issue that you guys seem to love so much (It's ironic that you guys give Paul a pass on that and nobody else). Yeah, I don't like Cuccinelli's drug war views, but McAuliffe has the same views on that so it's a non sequitur.

You guys have a lot of growing up to do, I'd suggest laying off the slavish devotion to Lew Rockwell and Reason Magazine.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

you don't know anything about me

The reason Ron Paul gets a pass on abortion (from me) is because I pretty much give everybody a pass on it, since one can make an argument that it is not a victimless crime.

I do not give anybody a pass on drug war views, which IS a victimless crime. McAuliffe's position does not cancel out Cuccinelli's ... it means they are both unacceptable, to me. Ron Paul disagrees with the war on drugs. If he did not disagree with that, I would not support him.

Regarding Lew Rockwell, I never really read his stuff. It's very sad that you have to resort to name calling. Name calling is an example of not being a grown up.

A nation divide is easily

A nation divide is easily conquered, the more divided the easier. Let's start ANOTHER or FEW MORE independent conservative party(ies)!!! The more conservative leaning divides, the stronger the Liberals.

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Ron Paul was not paid off.

Prove he was. He is a grownup, it is sick that so many people think he is a weak old man. Read his endorsement of Cuccinelli, he really and truly likes the guy.

Notice

Notice Ron Paul never called people "insane" for voting McCain, Romney, or Gary Johnson. In fact, i dont remember Ron Paul ever calling any group of people insane - it is a very derrogative word. Maybe he used it against Fed Chairman one time

So why is Ron Paul OK with using such rude and collectivist words now? It was pure politics.

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Huh? Did I miss something?

I don't see that insinuated anywhere on this thread.

How ridiculous.

See the Dang comment above!

"This strategy of paying off Ron Paul to come to his rally did not work."

It has been said in other threads as well.

Face it

you had a 40% voter turnout. with over 5 million registered VA voters, 3 Million chose not to vote.

Label Jars, Not People!

Sarvis never said "GPS"

Sarvis never said "GPS" that I know of. He said "mileage tax," which can be levied in a number of ways, including just reading the odometer.

Now, I find Sarvis' criticism of Cucinelli as "narrow minded" to be insulting, so that is why I waited until the polls closed to come to his defense here.

No Subject

Prescience 500 you make good points regarding folks <30. However we Libs have historically gotten more public support from the likes of the Tea Party. Democrips want freebies and a gun less society. Rebloodicans want perpetual war and global handouts.

Then how come that when liberals attack conservatives,

it is almost always about their social policies? Because they know that's what gets people really pissed off.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tig

Revealed: Obama Campaign Bundler Helping Fund Libertarian in Tight Va. Gubernatorial Race

Some political observers have questioned Sarvis’ libertarian chops, pointing to some decidedly un-libertarian views on issues ranging from the economy and tax cuts to climate change. Conservative radio host Glenn Beck touched on Sarvis’ policy positions during his broadcast Monday morning, urging Virginia voters to educate themselves before heading the polls Tuesday.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/05/revealed-obama-ca...

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And Ron Paul was supported by KKK

It's not relevant.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

I don't think Ron or Rand

I don't think Ron or Rand fully grasp just how much people under 30 are generally turned off by strong social conservatism.

That being said, Sarvis takes far more votes away from McAuliffe than Cuccinelli. I'm tired of people misrepresenting this. Libertarianism is not a part of conservatism nor have libertarians always been aligned with them. Libertarians have traditionally been swing voters, if they vote at all. They have not been part of the Republican coalition since Nixon.

most Sarvis voters were under 30

I think he pulled like 18% in the under 30 age range.

And thank you a thousand times for saying libertarianism is not part of conservatism. With all these socon culture warriors running around on DP, people can forget that sometimes. Personal liberties are just as important as economic liberties. In fact, in most people's lives, they are more important. If a guy gets busted for having a joint, that affects him much more than if he pays 10% more in taxes. If a gay couple can't get married, that affects them way more than increased government regulation of lead refineries.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Sometimes I have to ask myself...

How is it the libertarian party supports some of these people?
Then I remember why I quit the party.
It has been hijacked at the top by neo-con's.
Why else do you think they ran Bob Barf in 2008?

RAND PAUL or NOT AT ALL

Barr was impetuous

I didn't vote for him in 2008. I voted for Chuck Baldwin. Then I ran as a Libertarian in 2010. I don't like putting people into groups. There are plenty of great candidates in all parties.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

just heard

that Sarvis is pushing a mileage tax on gas, rather than flat fee. Is Sarvis NuTS! That's not very Libertarian.

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you made me think...

there should be a higher tax on ethanol added gas at the pumps. The tax would be a substitute for the fossil fuel wasting subsidies for ethanol plants. And, if anyone wants GMO corn for ethanol, they're going to pay for it at the pumps instead of incentives at the pumps for ethanol added via subsidies. Do I digress? Oh, well.

“The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them.”

– Thomas Jefferson

Sarvis is no libertarian

thats why.

In a recent Reason interview, Sarvis explained that he was “not into the whole Austrian type, strongly libertarian economics,” preferring “more mainstream economics” instead.

Virginians had a bumper crop

Virginians had a bumper crop of crap to choose from, without question. Next time, try running a socially liberal, fiscally conservative candidate and see who wins.

A person doesn't have to be in favor of aborting

an 8 month old to get my vote.

So it is about killing

So it is about killing babies. It was a protest vote because you want to kill babies. You could give a shit about all the other issues where Cuccinelli had it right. So you would rather have Obama jr. That's just sick.