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Cuccinelli Campaign Says National GOP Abandoned Them: 'We were on our own'

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/05/Cuccinell...

A campaign strategist for Republican Virginia gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli said that the national GOP abandoned the campaign in its final days.

I'm asking more questions than just how things might have been if they hadn't. There's a pattern in the national GOP and this fits that pattern. There is consistent confirmation of bipartisan support for corruption and a nation-crushing agenda that is hard to miss.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/05/Cuccinell...




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GOP establishment are snakes

They couldn't even speak the name Ron Paul at the national convention, after cheating in primaries all summer. They unseated Maine. Remember! Maine. And then dissolved delegate power in future races. Snakes. If it doesn't change soon, Whigs.

The GOP happilly abandoned the Tea Party favorite in Missouri

Todd Akin in 2012 and conceded victory a month early to Claire McCaskill.

They did the same thing to Murdock in Indiana.

Their excuse was over insensitive comments made concerning abortion.

Next up was Cucinelli with his statements on sodomy. Easy retreat.

As long as Tea Party candidates continue to utilize highly charged rhetoric in their campaigns, the defunct GOP helmed by the likes of Karl Rove will have enough rope hang these candidates without explaining the real reason they never wanted to support them in the first place.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
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Todd Akin really?

Akin is a blabbering idiot who doesn't know when to shut his claptrap. You really can't expect the GOP to keep pumping money into the campaigns of people who just say completely gooberish things! I'm no GOP fan and some of your post is quite logical, but Todd Akin level of stupidity is indefensible.

Politics is about being the master of your environment, Todd Akin is clearly not. You can't manage a presser than you can't handle running our country.

Well said

Perhaps there's a silver lining to our recent losses: perhaps our conservative allies will recognize the need to tone down their rhetoric on the social issues? Let's hope so.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Tone down.

I guess you can say that. I will be the first to admit that in each one of these instances what was said was a mistake, however, these men sincerely believed what they said.

My overall point however was to point out that though some here might not lend themselves to the Tea Party, they are in the same boat politically as the liberty movement in terms of the establishment. This establishment would like nothing more to prove that their way doesn't work. Allowing election defeats is one way they believe they can prove this. Not backing them up after statements like this are revealed is one way they can wash their hands of us though.

On the flip side, Democrats continue to support the most extreme among them to very corrupt and criminal. Allegations that you are a murderer, rapist, or child abuser is ignored and swept under the rug. Believe it. The ends justify the means to these people.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
www.yaliberty.org - Young Americans for Liberty
www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Cuccinelli- Welcome to the

Cuccinelli- Welcome to the club buddy...

Have a beer with Ron Paul sometime, he will have a story or two to tell you about GOP betrayal.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Duh

This is why those who were speaking out against Cuccinelli have no idea what they're talking about.

If the Establishment does not back a guy, most likely it's because he's good (relatively speaking, of course). What's so hard about that?

Oh well, who cares as voting for government is theft

Even if the government voting worked perfectly, even if it wasn't rigged, it is still evil, as it is a majority saying it is has the "right" to steal from people, and that is never not theft, no matter how many people "voted" to do it. It doesn't really matter what they are going to spend it on, if you can't opt out of paying it is theft.

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Say

what?

What what... here's some help for you


http://youtu.be/ngpsJKQR_ZE

And then some more help for you:

http://youtu.be/vb8Rj5xkDPk

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All well and good. And I even totally agree with Mr. Rose.

But abandoning an important tool at your disposal for advancing liberty seems negligent.

Especially when it's totally absent of any foundation to educate people in a widespread and immediate fashion to counter the impending roughshod were all liberty minded folks to stop voting tomorrow.

Do you think DC would care if the voter turn out was .2%? Not at all. They'd simply say this .2% is still as legitimate a justification for our looting of your pockets as it was when it was 5%, 20% or 80%.

If you're not making any significant advancements in any direction, you're only hurting yourself.

Don't disparage pragmatism and reject simple realities.
Pressure from all sides is what is needed.
That includes voting at the moment.

Okay, so to educate people about car jacking

Okay, so to educate people about car jacking, how about we participate in car jacking... that will help spread the word about how bad it is... and then when everyone realizes that stealing cars is wrong, then we will stop... voting is not only lunacy, but it is participating in theft! Anything you vote for will require payment, including less government... okay, so only rob people a little bit, and put them in a cage if they don't want to pay... yeah, that is spreading a message... the message of a hypocrite!

Why do you need to spread the word by voting? Why not just spread the word and NOT vote?

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I'll ignore the name calling for sake of civility.

Why do you need to spread the word by voting? Why not just spread the word and NOT vote?

I addressed this. Making youtube videos and spreading them isn't going to cut it. You're simply removing yourself from the game.

Your analogy isn't an apt comparison because the act of abstaining from car jacking simply means one less car is robbed.

If you stop voting, one less person isn't robbed.. instead, you've ceded what could still make a difference.

In fact, by not voting you could be causing the further looting of even more people.

I.e. There is a clear difference between a Ron Paul presidency vs. a Mitt Romney or Obama presidency. No national health care mandate, war in Libya, Syria, etc..

Same goes for congress, senate, state and local level elections. If you don't have some way of making real, significant progress in chancing peoples minds, other than posting a Larkin video, it seems rather short sighted.

Especially when we see what happened in Virginia.

So who is less wrong? The principled non-voter that allows a Reid or Graham to write legislation or the hypocrite who tries to stop them?

Absolutely agree

Free people have to be involved and engaged. Benevolent anarchy is not the natural state. Tyranny is the natural state. At the moment, government is a necessary evil.

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I don't believe it's a necessary evil, though my comments may lead one to believe that.

My point was you're born into this world and here lies 200 years worth of bureaucracy used to loot and kill people. It doesn't care what the voter turn out it because it's legitimacy comes from the gun. Thus one shouldn't neglect any tool to slow it down or stop it.

But nothing the government does is special. Nothing they do couldn't be done in a voluntary manner.

Would it be possible tomorrow? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I don't know. But that's the key. Looking at the government as an institution that provides services. And as with all goods and services, absent competition, prices goes up and quality goes down.

It's why the constitution was a compact between states to provide for that competition.

I highly recommend you check out Murry Rothbard's "For a New Liberty." It's excellent and it's free to browse in its entirety at the link provided.

Thanks for the reference

The government's legitimacy doesn't come from a gun, it comes from consent of the governed. That relationship may be atrophied and abused, as any RP delegate can attest, but it has a practical and historical foundation. The world is still organized as armed nations. If that is breaking down for the birth of new systems, how, is an interesting conversation. Meanwhile, courts, borders, nuclear and chemical weapons, currencies, these things need attention from regular people.

I think the founders expected more frequent revolutions. We have been very successful. Our physical comforts, and leisure, would be astounding to 18th century people.

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This proves GOP wants nothing to do with the Tea Party.

Will the GOP support Rand's Senate reelection bid in 2016 with support like this? Will Rand become the presidential nominee in 2016 with support like this? If Rand wins either of these races, it will be despite negative efforts by the GOP. Believe it. The GOP is a party that has been co-mingled with the dems and vice versa. Both parties are indeed the same.

What the flock ...

WTF does the Tea Party have to do with any of this? Has anyone mentioned Sarah Palin?

Correlation does not prove causality!

whenever the establishment

realizes a candidate might not tow the party line, but instead support the people that elected him/her, they label them as tea party and vilify them as if they are satan him/herself.

this way the establishment of both parties can put down grassroots uprisings happening in the gop without having to vilify the gop itself. because, we all know that the establishment of the two parties are basically the same.

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Cuccinelli was a Tea Party candidate.

"Republican Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, a Tea Party favorite."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/05/us-usa-politics-vi...

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p.s. The Tea Party was coopted years ago away.

The results really don't matter much, just the speed in which these changes occur.

I for one would rather

see this country burned to the F-ing ground before I cast another vote for an establishment NeoCon or RINO candidate. The GOP cannot win without the Liberty vote and as far as I'm concerned the GOP can capitulate or die off.

Ron Swanson

The GOP will choose to die rather adopt our views.

It already has: Cuccinelli being the latest example. Don't expect to blackmail them into reforming by threatening them with lost elections, it's not gonna work. Our candidates have to actually win elections.

And the pure libertarian candidates cannot win elections in most instances. So we have to adopt a pragmatic approach. Don't like it? Doesn't matter. Those are the facts. Make your choice.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

You start off by stating that

the GOP will choose to die rather than adopt our views , then you contradict that by stating that threatening them with lost elections isn't gonna work. Which is it ? How many more major election losses do you realistically think they can sustain ? The GOP establishment can or will ignore the threat of lost elections straight to their graves.

Ron Swanson

I thought voting was rigged

I thought voting was rigged though?

Huh?

"You start by stating that the GOP will choose to die rather than adopt our views , then you contradict that by stating that threatening them with lost elections isn't gonna work. Which is it?"

Both. How is that a contradiction? We can't get them to adopt our views by threatening to make them lose elections BECAUSE they would rather lose elections than adopt our views. (?)

"How many more major election losses do you realistically think they can sustain?"

Not many, not if they're to remain a competitive national party.

"The GOP establishment can or will ignore the threat of lost elections straight to their graves."

That's right.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

more like

social conservatives cannot win election, except for deeply red states. You wanna be pragmatic? Drop the ant-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric and focus on fiscal issues. If Cuccinelli did that, he would have won.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Quite right. People don't

Quite right. People don't want politicians sticking their noses into their personal lives. In the case of Obamacare, evidently the population at large is OK so far with using the force of government taxation to redistribute wealth, although I believe most of them still don't fully understand the weight of the giant piano about to land on their heads.

Agreed 100%

"Drop the ant-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric and focus on fiscal issues."

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

In complete agreement.