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Fake Libertarian candidate spoils Virginia governors race

Fake Libertarian candidate spoils Virginia governors race
http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/66163660246/fake-libertaria...

In a race that was closer than expected, Republican Virginia governor candidate Ken Cuccinelli (who was endorsed by Ron Paul) was defeated by socialist Democrat Terry McAuliffe by one point after fake Libertarian candidate Robert Sarvis managed to garner around 7% of the overall vote.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/66163660246/fake-libertaria...

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Then where do you get your information?

This is from an Yahoo Article

In the current Virginia governor's race, Robert Sarvis, a libertarian who supports gun rights and same-sex unions, has the support of 11 percent of Republicans and 2 percent of Democrats, taking potential votes from front-running Democrat Terry McAuliffe and Republican state Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, according to a Quinnipiac University poll of likely voters released last week.

This was from late Oct...

That is a 9 point difference just before the election. have you seen the raw data from these exit polls? Why would the exit polls differ so from the polls prior to the election? Why would self identifying democrats defect from the perfect liberal candidate?

LOL

So you basically pick and choose which polls to believe?

Here is the quinnipiac (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-ins...)

It says sarvis getting 5% of democrats and 7% of republicans.

You ask how can the polls be trusted if things changed? Perhaps it was because Ron/Rand came to town. Perhaps it was because republican sarvis voters saw that the race was going to be competitive and jumped ship. Perhaps it was because of the last-minute republican smear campaign in order to syphion off a couple percent.

No, the quinnipaic poll I cited predates that one.

But even this one shows more GOP than donkey voters for sarvis, and saris drawing a big number from independents.

You would have us believe that the exit polls accurately show most Sarvis voters coming from the donkey side. If your theory about rand and ron was true, sarvis was looking at 14% of the vote at one point, which is nonsense. If he drew his 7% from democrats and lost his republican support because of Ron, that means he was at 14 points prior to the last minute campaigning. He never polled anywhere near that.

If the polls are contradictory, why do u chose the one that supports your message? Oh I get it , we are to trust CNN and Fox exit polls.

exit polls

And exit polls are far superior to pre-election polls because it accounts for all the variables.

No

"7% of democrats" does not mean 7% of the total voters. So you dont add the two together.....Because democrats are only X% of the total vote...Do you not understand this?

I WANT TO KNOW why all the republican support

evaporated in the last few days when all the polls showed it being there. You say it is because of the Pauls. But if the Pauls eliminated the GOP support, the the guy would have pulled 12-14% with that support.
And we know he was never double digits in the polls.

polls

i am not aware of Sarvins being 12-14% pre-election. A couple random polls had him in the 12-13 but on average it was 10%. The problem with pre-election polls with 3rd parties is that people say they support 3rd party but then dont bother to vote because they know it is just a protest vote.

There are alot of left wing dems muddying the water here

on the Daily Paul

At least 10-20% of the board. If they have the resources to fund fake libertarian 3rd party runs they surely have the the means to pollute this board with their trash and confuse the less ideologically grounded among us

There's something going on today at the DP, for sure

....I've noticed a radical change of tone. Either people here are getting dumber, or we're getting an influx of new people.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

We have a lot of young people to

who think Ron is cool on war and pot. They probably have a Revolution T shirt. But most of them voted Obama.

They are also the product of public school system and bascially don't really care about the constitution. They think libertarianism is the same as social liberalism and they don't fully understand how it translates into economics.

Just count posts. Sure the NSA inflames them. But Obamacare draws a lot of silence from many. They aren't sure it is that big of a deal. Like I said... their basically socialist strong on civil liberties, which don't necessarily include property rights.

Why do you have such a large

Why do you have such a large ax to grind?

I suppose that's true

Perhaps we're starting to see a rift develop between them and the actual libertarians now that Ron Paul's unifying influence is starting to recede.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

OK

So if it were Gary Johnson instead of Robert Sarvis, you would be OK with it?

It would be a easier to swallow.

At least it would seem those who voted libertarian were doing so based on principal and not because they were misguided imbeciles.

FYI

Gary Johnson was also liberal on some issues

We know that you fool.

I agreed with Gary Johnson on the drug war, foreign policy, and I'm not the most overtly anti-gay person in the Christian community (though most pro-gay activists come off as utterly obnoxious to me), but I do admit that Johnson was pretty clearly Pro-choice. Having said that, the core thing that separates Libertarianism from Neo-conservatism is it's hard line on defending economic freedom and being consistently non-interventionist. Sarvis was not a free market guy, in fact, Mike Gravel who was a committed hardline Left Libertarian said more pro-free market things in his 2008 run in the Democratic Primary than anything I heard out of Sarvis, PARTICULARLY on that Reason Interview that you love to play down.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

exactly

Social liberalism without economic freedom is just a democrat.

7% is great

I think it is great that 7% were willing to go out to vote for a 3rd Party! An even larger percent didn't vote at all!

Everyone blaming him for their own loss are out to lunch.

no it sucks, it was a worthless effort only to elect a freaking

socialists.

The LP of VA doesn't have ballot access, and they were used by a big bundler for the Democrat party to split the vote, when Romney ran no third party candidate received a percent, a good amount, not all, probably Woukd have voted for Cuccinelli.......it was a great move by Democrats to get Sarvis on the ballot.

The Libertarian Party is now a detriment to the United States of America when it can be turned into a weapon for the Democrats and Socialists.

give me a break.

Those people would not have voted Republican. Get over it. If you want to win, then get the votes to win. Don't blame other people. If you need a better candidate then get one.

I was not involved in this election in the slightest because it is none of my business. I do not live in Virginia! But watching the results give me hope for the future of this country despite the winner being an establishment person. Most people didn't vote for the winner. Change is in the air.

No, 7% voted for a fraud who

No, 7% voted for a fraud who wanted to tax people by the mile like the good little Liberal he was...

"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

obviously 7%

thought he was better than anyone else running. You might want to try and understand why. Then you will understand why you lost. There is still work to do.

I think he understand all too well why he lost.

And the reason is that the Libertarian Party needs only to field a candidate, regardless of his economic views, and a whole swarm of lemmings will fall into line simply so they don't have to vote for an evil Christian. We understand befree, it's you who doesn't.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

ken was a bigot thats why he lost.

It had nothing to do with being a christian! JESUS DON'T HATE PEOPLE KEN DOES! THEM TYPE OF CHRISTIANS ARE THE WORSE KIND. Come on make bjs a felony! Who would vote for that kind of anti Liberty. I am suprised he got 46% of the vote! The dems should be glad their wasn't a real Libertarian in the race. As far as who funded Sarvis that is not the LP problem just like when Ron ran it wasn't Ron's fault who gave to the campaign.

that is irrelevant

My point still stands. They were willing to vote for a 3rd party!!!!

Obviously the 2 major parties don't appeal to most people. Heck, they don't even bother to vote. Anyway, it is up to Virginian's to make this decision. Although likely if they didn't fix the rigged voting then they didn't anyway. That being the case, all your huffing and puffing is just blowing smoke.

It is funny how many people here don't believe in messing in other people's business via overseas wars yet they have no trouble messing in other states business....by contributing funds, etc.

So voting 3rd party is automatically a good thing?

Do you realize that there is an American Communist Party and an American National Socialist Party, right? Would you be clapping your hands in approval if we elected a genocidal lunatic because he was a 3rd party candidate? Actually, if you analyze the election that ended the Weimar Republic, the German NAZI party was a 3rd party. You want to clue me in how that vote reflected a populous that was interested in liberty?

And on the people not voting thing, you've got a gloriously optimistic and borderline delusional understanding of why people don't show up and often don't register. Most times, they are doing people a favor by not voting because they are even dumber than the people who do show up to vote and are at home, rotting away in front of their television sets watching the same Soap Opera for decades.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

yes

I think it is a good thing right now because it shows a willingness to go outside the box to give up on the establishment we have now...to not go with what is jammed down your throat. Yes, I realize there are lots of parties out there but so far everyone just votes for 2 without even thinking about it. So, this shows change. That is a positive thing in my book.

And if you didn't notice they voted Libertarian not for the Nazi party. You can argue about which candidate was more libertarian or that neither candidate was liberarian at all but nonetheless it might make people look up the term and try to understand what people see in it. This is a positive educational opportunity that you will all miss if you sit around and wallow in your loss.

Ah yes, talk down to me like a good Progressive.

I'm not wallowing about anything, I don't live in Virginia, I'm trying to talk some sense into fools like you who say ridiculous things and then pretend like you're God's gift to the movement. Those people voted for a 3rd party version of Chris Christie, that's not people getting educated, that's people not doing their research.

On one hand you say I should be happy that people are "thinking outside the box", yet on the other you are saying it doesn't matter what a person believes when you vote for them (as long as they're not a Republican or a Democrat). You are literally as brainwashed as the average GOP or Democratic Party drone, or what some in the conspiracy theorist community would refer to as, "controlled opposition".

A word of advice, if you want to yammer on about educational opportunities, I suggest practicing what you preach by actually researching the positions of the candidates first and then running your mouth second.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

listen

so far you haven't given me a reason to vote for any of them. So yeah, I am glad people aren't voting for what is being shoved down their throats by big media and the Democrats and Republicans and TPTB. You certainly haven't convinced me that Sarvis was any worse than the other two. I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans and many other parties. I will vote for any decent candidate. But I am not a Virginian and I in no way took part in this election, no voting and no money and no volunteering, and no time at all. It does take some thought to vote for something other than Democrat or Republican. There is hope :-) You might not like how they think but better that they do think. Libertarians are lemmings? That is too funny.