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I hate Porn

Pornography is a problem.

Porn is like a narcotic, it hijacks the brain, it redefines human sexuality, and in the meantime ruins lives, destroys families, and destabilizes ministries. And honestly it’s a problem that makes me tired — tired of the devastation Satan is causing to children, women, families, pastors, churches, and the world with this tragic evil.

Porn became a problem for me when I was only six, and by the grace of God that problem ended when Jesus saved me at age seventeen. But I know it rarely happens so cleanly. It is still a temptation, yes; temptation abounds living in the city I do, and with the heart I have, but grace abounds all the more in Jesus Christ.

Friends, I hate porn. And here’s why.

Keep reading @ http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/i-hate-porn



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Porn is sin!

NOT because I say so, but because God says so!

You can argue all your points of freedom and liberty saying it's OK so long as you don't hurt anyone, and in mans eyes, it is OK, but God says differently!

Man's ways are not God's ways!

This world is a stinking cesspool filled with wickedness that is soon to come to it's finality and THEN all you who mock the very God of this universe and His warnings will flee to the mountains and call out for the hills and the rocks to fall on you and to hide you from the face of Him who has come at last to fulfill His Word!

There is still time to turn from all your wicked ways and turn to Him for salvation.

You may not have tomorrow to seek Him, better do it today!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Denise B's picture

Amen holbrook!

Well said, as usual! For those of you who are defending pornography I have just one question, and for most of you, if answered truthfully, will reveal the truth of pornography that God has written on your conscience, whether you recognize it or not. If you turned on one of those movies and there before your eyes was your daughter or sister or mother, would your feeling be the same? And if it would not be a decision you would approve of for your own daughter, why then do you approve of it for someone else's?

Defending freedom

You would choose what ever noble cause to impose you will and steal my freedom. I dont give a #$%^& about anything but others deciding what is good or not good for me. In fact I am going to watch porn in protest of the idiots that hate it. Cut your wanker off if you hate it.

sovereign

How about this, Denise?

It's not the fact that it's porn that would make it embarrassing if my "daughter, sister, or mother" walked in. It's the fact that it's sexual.

Say you were making love to your husband and the same situation took place...would YOU not feel embarrassed? LAWL.

I admit to watching porn to most people I know, if they ask. I'm not ashamed of it. That doesn't mean I'd want them walking in on me while I "got it on."

Denise B's picture

You miss the point

entirely awl. You are not addressing my primary point which is, of all of the people on this site who think that porn is not immoral or wrong, how many of you would be happy if your own daughter came to you and told you that she had decided to pursue a life in the porn industry. My very strong hunch is that there are very few, if any at all, who would be happy to know that it was their own daughter who was going to be engaged in this kind of lifestyle, whether or not you actually saw the movies or not is immaterial, if you are honest about it then you would have to admit you would disapprove. And if you disapprove of your own daughter engaging in this kind of lifestyle, then to be intellectually honest you must admit it is because you know that there is something wrong with it.

Just because you like eating food...

Doesn't mean you want to become a chef. You act as though every single experience has an impact on your life. I was around my grandpa a lot... before he died...he was a very racist man. I, on the other hand, despise racism. Look at that...

You're posing a hypothetical that realistically wouldn't happen, in order to strengthen your argument. Porn is sex. Sex isn't something you normally discuss with anyone except your mate/spouse/etc., except for the mandatory "talk" when your kids get old enough.

To go along with your scenario, I think if my daughter caught me looking at porn, I'd explain to her in terms she could understand, without getting too graphic what was going on.

Honestly, this situation shouldn't even arise. I don't think sex is for minors, just like I don't think guns are for minors. And you wouldn't think it responsible to keep your guns out in the open, would you? Just like I wouldn't think it'd be responsible to watch porn if there was a chance of my daughter seeing it.

according to your logic...

If I saw my daughter got a job as a lumberjack, and I didn't approve, then I should not approve of anyone being a lumberjack. No more wood for anyone, I guess.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

well don't try to pull that

well don't try to pull that kind of a sleight of hand.

the question is WOULD you disapprove of your daughter being a lumberjack?

and if you did, why? because it was a dangerous profession? that's a wholly different manner of disapproval than the kind you'd feel if she was a prostitute or p0rn slut - shame.

So the emotion behind the disapproval is the key?

Why can't disapproval be the primary emotion? And why do you assume the emotion I would feel would be shame? Why couldn't it be concern for her future? "What are you going to do, honey, once you are too old to star in porn movies?"

I am not sure what we are trying to debate here anyway. That porn should be illegal? That porn is immoral? That porn is a sin? That if you wouldn't want your daughter doing some act, but only if it's out of shame, than that act is immoral?

Those are all different questions. I don't believe in the concept of sin, so I can't address whether porn is sin. I believe in liberty and the non-aggression axiom, so obviously I don't believe in mkaing porn illegal. And my criterion for whether something is immoral is whether it is hurting someone. Is porn hurting anyone involved? The answer is a resounding no.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

woah that's a lot of words,

woah that's a lot of words, let me see.

1. approval is not an emotion
2. i didn't assume you'd feel any emotion i asked you
3. no one on the thread suggested it be illegal that i've seen, have you?
4. i haven't taken position pro or con, just asked you to reformulate you argument so that it is valid. your analogy to the lumberjack was a failure because it didn't address the previous posters point. that point stand unrefuted: you can't affirm something to be "moral" in general if you acknowledge you wouldn't approve it for your daughter or mother or sister. that doesn't mean you want to ban it, think its entirely bad, or that it could ever be eliminated. it merely refutes whose who say dishonestly that there is nothing at all wrong with it. of course, if you do approve of your mom or daughter being in pr0n, boldly say so and you will be consistent.

on the point of your morality "if its not hurting anyone..." that's trivially easy to refute. if i am walking by the road and see a child drowning, and it would be no risk whatsoever to myself to help but i go on my merry way, i have not positively harmed anyone. i haven't impacted the situation positively in any way. but everyone would be correct to say that i acted immorally and moreover am a moral monster.

thanks for playing this round of lose to bill.

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High five Bill,

very well stated! :)

Oh c'mon, sin is such an old-fashioned word.

Get with the times.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Old=Bad, New fangled ideas=Good

That's not logical, man. If you have a brain...and you do, you are here...read some G.K. Chesterton. It's fascinating to look at words that are 'dead' or out of style. The more I read of history and view society with open eyes, the more I see nothing has changed.

“MY attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

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I hope you know, I was being very sarcastic.

.I figured people would know from all the other comments I left. sorry :)

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

lol i was about to gloat over

lol i was about to gloat over your trolling win but then you had to reply all nice and be all gracious. bleh.

I'll have to remember that quote.

Robert Louis Dabney said something similar in one of the latter chapters of his "In Defense of Virginia and The South", but I think G.K. Chesterton hit the same point with a good bit more wit and punch. I think I may end up making this my signature.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

Furthermore...

Knocking porn because it is dangerous or degrading to the actors,

Why is there not equal opposition to other dangerous and degrading occupations?

I had a buddy killed while logging when a tree fell on him.

My brother has a septic and portapotty business and regularly deals with human feces. He has had pumps blow up and feces in his face.

Janitors, construction workers, etc, etc, have dangerous or degrading jobs.

So essentially, it is fine to risk your life to make money in every way possible, UNLESS it involves sex. Because obviously that takes power away from women.

In fact, I know many women who have much less opposition to their son/grandson going to war in Afghanistan, than to porn. It is okay to get your legs blown off, but by all means, do not look at nude women. And these people call themselves Christian.

Unbelievable!!!!!

djinwa, you make so many

djinwa, you make so many great points! I was nodding my head reading your entire comment :)

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

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My brother has a septic and portapotty business and regularly deals with human feces. He has had pumps blow up and feces in his face.

LOL!

What this is really about.

If we are against damaging fantasies, why do I not hear problems with fantasies of women? They have romance novels, which have episodes of sex. Women also like to fantasize about a lot of money, and since their guy often falls short, this causes a lot of divorces.

So why do we not consider as evil porn, all those advertisements and billboards that cause women to lust after more stuff? Why is there no restriction on advertisements considering the damage they cause?

Money issues are a leading cause of divorce.

Why can you get sex-filled romance novels in public libraries where Playboy is banned?

So, essentially the anti-porn forces are actually anti-male because they ignore the lusts by women.

By controlling the sex lives of men, women gain more power. So they want to limit our options. If we have no other outlet for our cravings, they can get anything they want without having to put out.

You make a good point--what's good for the goose is good for the

gander.

However, both are equally sinful. They are both based on selfish greed and not on love and kindness.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Good post.

You made some excellent points.

Plus The Nature Element

I think there's something genetically wired in humans where, in GENERAL terms, the male is more the hunter/protector/provider and the woman is more the child rearer. It would explain why women (again, in a general sense) are attracted to strength and good providers (strong, rich, etc).

I agree that porn gives

I agree that porn gives society an artificial reality between the sexes and definitley has it's unhealthy aspects, however making it illegal would only make the problem worse.. think we have an std danger in the industry now? Ha, that's a laugh.. its ok to judge somebody and tell them they shouldn't do something but forcing someone not to do something just because you disagree is just as immoral as the act in your view is itself. Everyone chooses their own path in life and the best thing you can do is offer your help and educate. Laws can't cure human behavior.

P.S. on a side note I think the porn industry is aware of this and that not that many people are getting that turned on by the mainstream porn so they are trying to make more natural scenes, more amateur if you will scenes.

Pornography is not a problem,

Pornography is not a problem, but porn addiction is a real issue. I hope you are talking about porn addiction in your post. Watching pornography, like everything else in life, is a personal decision and with that freedom comes responsibility.

Porn addiction can become real bad (like wheat or sugar addiction) and more information can be found at - yourbrainonporn.com

while it's true that

while it's true that everything in life is a personal decision, that does not entail that others are required to refrain from approving or disapproving of such a decision. it is a personal decision whether or not to stab a stranger, that hardly has any bearing on whether one can rightly approve or disapprove of such behavior. you need to look for a sound argument.

if you retort that in the one case a person is not committing harm or aggression to another person, the argument does not succeed. a person who becomes addicted to meth and wastes away and dies does not harm anyone else, but we can still judge the behavior is an abomination. likewise, if someone refrains from helping a stranger in need, there is no act of harm or aggression, but we can have disgust and disapproval of such behavior. clarify your thought.

What clarification do you

What clarification do you need?

I did mention that with freedom comes responsibility. I do not agree that porn is bad. But I did mention that porn addiction is very real and problematic (even linked to www.yourbrainonporn.com for studies)

Diabetes is one of the biggest killer around the world (many many orders of magnitude bigger than meth addiction). Yet if argue that "I hate sugar 'cos my authority figure said so", it would be silly. Whereas my argument will still be that 'carb addiction is bad, but it is still a personal choice'.

Please note that both carb addiction and porn addiction use the same neural pathways, to reward the behavior. Sugar addiction also kills, it consequently destroys families, it fuels the crony food industry mega-corporations etc.. But, unfortunately, Jesus didn't advice me about sugar consumption. So yeah its okay for everybody?

i think the difference is

i think the difference is that wheat is produced by a morally neutral industry whereas the sex trade is morally questionable for many people, not just for how it effects the supposed pr0n addict but also how it makes flesh a commodity and degrades the person and (god forbid) the soul of the sexual object.

selling oneself into labor bondage is also a personal decision that hurts no one, and a pure market libertarian should not object to voluntary servitude of that sort (to pay off a debt or get out of a jam), but one may still morally disapprove of someone selling their person into servitude out of desperation, and might morally object to shylock getting his pound of flesh from a desperate fellow human.

there is a deeper dimension to human existence than mere rules of physical interaction (e.g. what the non aggression principle covers).

how people can not realize this shows how morally obtuse and malformed we are as modern atoms.

i have come into contact with at least 10 people on dp who didn't realize something could be wrong if it wasn't an act of aggression. i have actually had to give obvious examples time and again to astonished and flabbergasted posters.

A friend of mine has a lot of

A friend of mine has a lot of hair on his palms.

if only there was a way

to do it with our scalps

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus