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*edit* Tom Cruise's "Anti Authoritarian" Movie

I was skeptical after hearing Alex Jones talk about the anti authoritarian themed Tom Cruise movie Oblivion, but it's true. I watched it for the 5th time last night. In my opinion it's Cruise's best film. Anti gov't/anti drone/pro truth to name just a few ideals. Many parallels exist between the setting in this movie and current day. Check it out if you haven’t already!
(Movie trailer below)

Edit: Changed "Libertarian" to "Anti Authoritarian"
You guys convinced me.


http://youtu.be/HQ0iiqyJ7BU

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Alex Praises Anti Illuminati Film Oblivion


http://youtu.be/VnXXxt4AwzA

Published on Apr 24, 2013 | The Pyramid of Control - The main alien spaceship called the Tetrad obviously represents the pyramid of control, the Illumanti power structure, centered in Rome. Note throughout the film the Tetrad pyramid spaceship, is shown upside-down to the way a pyramid is normally. This is just like satanist turning the cross of religion upside-down to disrespect it, so the inversion of the pyramid is showing disrespect to the Illuminati power structure. Also inverting the pyramid now places the people who were at the bottom of the pyramid above those who used to control them, showing the gaining of power by the awakened people. https://www.facebook.com/AlexanderEmerickJones

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Oblivion

has got to be the greatest movie made for the passed couple years.

"FU SALLY".... I love it!

I have to confess...I've been impressed with Tom Cruise...

He's put out a bunch of good movies recently...

-Oblivion (which you've described well)
-Jack Reecher (great movie on false flags; practically banned from theaters since it came out during the Sandy Hook/Newtown CT shootings!)
-Valkyrie -about Nazis who wanted to overthrow Hitler.
-Minority Report- which showed how pre-crime is a REALLY bad idea.
-Eyes Wide Shut- that totally exposed Illuminati ceremonies! Sadly, Kubrick paid with his life : \

I gotta say, he's doing some trippy movies that really pissed off the establishment!!! I'm still have no idea if Tom Cruise is a liberty-minded fellow or an authoritarian.

Adam Curtis - The Trap (Part 1 of 3) - Fcuk You Buddy

Part 2/3: http://youtu.be/IZuezx18jEI
Part 3/3: http://youtu.be/3zAyY70xaL0
The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom is a BBC documentary series by English filmmaker Adam Curtis, well known for other documentaries including The Century of the Self and The Power of Nightmares. The series consists of 3 one-hour programs which explore the concept and definition of freedom, specifically, "how a simplistic model of human beings as self-seeking, almost robotic, creatures led to today's idea of freedom."

I liked the part

where he whips his own ass

I've seen it 3 times.

Once on a flight, already. I didn't really connect those dots when I watched it, but it definitely makes sense. I thought it was a good movie...maybe a bit slow in the beginning, but I'd rank it in Cruise's top 5. I don't even really like his movies that much.

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Oblivion appeals to those who value individual freedom...

Excerpt from a positive review:

“[Oblivion is] a story about a loyal soldier manipulated into fighting an unjust war against primitive people. Expected to follow orders without thinking…

For a film widely dismissed as superficial and meaningless, these are heavy themes. And viewed like this, the parallels between Oblivion’s events and the recent war on Iraq become clear, and are underlined further by the drones themselves, which could be seen as a sci-fi analogue of the contraptions currently roaming the skies in the Middle East and elsewhere.

… if there’s one pertinent message that appears to be buried in Oblivion, it’s that the voices of authority aren’t necessarily as benign and trustworthy as they appear, and that individual thought and investigation are vital means of preserving freedom.

That, for me, is a more thought-provoking sentiment than I'd usually expect to find in an expensive multiplex blockbuster.”

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/oblivion/25211/oblivion-a-sp...

‘Imagination is not a talent of some men, but the health of every man.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson

I thought it was his best

I thought it was his best movie too, next to Minority Report. I really cant stand Cruise in most of his movies/how he acts in real life so i consider those 2 movies to be exceptional.

I wouldn't call it libertarian

But it is pro-humanity. The black box is a very significant symbol.

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That's interesting...

These is a lot of great symbolism in this movie, but I had not considered the significance of the "black-box" in relation to humanity. I would love you hear your interpretation.

‘Imagination is not a talent of some men, but the health of every man.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson

The black cube

I should preface the answer by saying i am not religious.

The black cube represents the worship of Saturn (satan). It is a reference to the black hexagonal spot at the pole of Saturn that can be interpreted as a 2 dimensional representation of the cube (pandora's box....Pandora being a moon of Saturn). Saturn cube and ring symbols are extremely prevalent through the major religions of the world and in freemasonry. It is in sculptures around the world, in the center of Mecca (Kaaba) Several movies and many of the logos and symbols we see in our daily lives that we dont even think about. Saturn is the god of time and judgement.

In Oblivion, I think it represents elites that evolved themselves into an evil artillect or a transhumanist singularity of evil that is destroyed by humanity in the end.....or so we hope :-)

Actually, it's a tetrahedrone, or an pyramid per say.

In the movie they call it "The Tet". When you said black box, I thought you were talking about the flight recorder and how it was symbolic of Jack regaining the last pieces of his memory, which prompted my initial post. I think your description of it is pretty rock solid actually.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

I've had a somewhat similar take on the black-box.

The contents of the black box, at first glance, simply fill in the gaps of a story that is about to come fully into focus. But closer inspections tells the story of who Jack and Victoria, their virtues, and also explains how those virtues were inverted through deception to accomplish evil. The one area where the "Tet" messed up was that it assumed that Jack and Victoria were lovers because Victoria was at his side to face their end, hence Jack's memories of Julia and how they eventually drove a wedge between Jack and Victoria that would bring Jack back to reality.

In essence, the memories contained within the black box was Jack's humanity, which triumphed, and Victoria's, which was subverted by misdirection, yet were nevertheless admirable. It goes back to that old quote that appeared in Star Trek: The Next Generation where Captain Picard said "All things are enslaved which serve things evil", which I believe is the ultimate dilemma that humanity faces. All whom do evil intend some kind of good, and yet they do evil because of an inverted understanding of the world around them and the morality that they think they are serving. You can find similar themes in Plato's "Cave Allergoy" and also Augustine's writings on the doctrine of Original Sin.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

my take on the black box

I dated a girl with blonde hair who had dark roots. It turns out SHE had the black box. I think it means she was dying her locks.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Good movie, but libertarian?

I got the anti-drone thing from it, but I didn't see it as overly libertarian in any way. I think we tend to jump on bandwagons too easily around here when someone agrees with even one thing we tend to agree with.

Free market capitalism isn't right for America because it works better. It's right because it's free (and it works better).

I am a sci-fi nerd

And Minority Report is one of my favorites of all time.

Oblivion, however, on first watch did not impress. I'll have to watch it again.

One of the best movies to come out in the last several years.

While the Libertarian messages in this movie are a bit more subtle here as opposed to Minority Report, the stuff about the inhumanity of drone warfare and the triumph of the human spirit over an inhuman mechanical structure of lies and deception was pretty blatant and definitely welcome. I was particularly taken by the job that M-83 did on the soundtrack, one of the best collections of ambient music with an anthem-based touch to it that I've heard in a long time.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

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"If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin."
Samuel Adams

Oblivion - not Cruise's best performance, but

Oblivion was not Cruise's best performance, but one of my favorite films featuring Cruise. I think his best performance was in Vanilla Sky, with Eyes Wide a close second... Oblivion featured some of the most beautiful imagery and CGI I had ever seen. Worth a fourth and fifth watch!

I have to ask all those who saw Vanilla Sky

Did you feel "odd" after seeing that movie the first time?

I went with a few friends and we all felt like we were on mushrooms when we came out. It was really weird. No, we didn't actually eat any.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

yes

yes

You think it was because the movie

was just such a MindF**k that it actually affected the mind?

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

i actually stopped watching

i actually stopped watching it half way through because it felt so weird. only time its ever happened to me.

i have experience with altered consciousness as well.

Likewise :)

I practice deep meditation and have been blown away by just how "psychedelic" such a state can be. Perhaps that's what the movie induced—a deep meditative focus that had no real preconceived themes to latch on to like majority of movies?

To this day, no other film has had that kind of effect. Pretty "trippy".

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

And then there's

Eyes Wide Shut

http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-and-not-so...

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Minority Report, Vanilla Sky

Even The Last Samurai have A LOT of "read between the lines" themes.

I'm not a fan of the man, but I do like his movies.

Messenger < The Message

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

didn't recall thinking that...

I remember Alex's post, but he called some other movie libertarian once that Stephan Moleyeax just destroyed for being anti-libertarian.

I got the same feeling watching that movie. Aside from themes, what makes you believe it was actually promoting libertarianism, because I don't remember that at all...

Not all awakened people become libertarian

In my view, this movie wasn't necessarily libertarian, as much as it was a subtle message to awaken people to corrupt leadership staging false flags and fabled enemies to unite people under tyranny and enslave them. Also (spoiler alert), the building of a community based upon self-sufficiency and volutarism looks like what was forming at the very end.

I dont believe it was

I dont believe it was libertarian. However, it was a very good scifi movie, a must see. Seems like a lot of good message movies are getting buried in the reviews, see Closed Circuit.

Ventura 2012

Agreed. Although it borrows

Agreed. Although it borrows themes from the greatest Sci Fi movies i still think it has its own voice. Definitely anti authoritarian. Plus it's beautifully shot.

It's a good one all right.

I think I'll watch it again.

It is well done and because it was shot in Iceland the stark contrast of the high tech stuff is really beautiful.

Thanks for sharing.

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