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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

Here they go again. :(
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/10/02/epa-bans-most-wood-...

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard.

Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.

(Some)Local governments have gone further than the EPA and banned not just the sale of such stoves, but the usage of old stoves – and even the usage of fireplaces. That means that even if you still have a stove or a fireplace, you can’t burn it for fear of a fine.
Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits



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OK, I wanna rocket stove

The only question I've got (...right now...) is with all the high temps going thru the 50 gal drum what keeps it from burnin out so fast? Do you have to replace the drums very oft?

Thanks

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Five steps to nullification of idiocy

Print out this "law"
Raise middle finger toward it.
Stuff into wood burning stove, under wood.
Light match.
Enjoy warmth.

UN Takes it One Step Further

Following the decision of the EPA to crack down on wood burning stoves, the even more overpaid bureaucrats at the UN have decided they won't be outdone and have determined to one up the EPA with a global ban on all fire use by humans.

http://www.dailypaul.com/304930/un-one-ups-epa-bans-all-use-...

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Where will people get minerals for their gardens?

People who heat their homes with wood stoves mostly live out in the country. After all, that is where the wood is, and the cost to get it from our wood lots or the forest that surrounds us to the wood pile is very low compared to using propane or electricity for heat. The cost to transport wood to big cities is prohibitive so it isn't going to be used there except for a once or twice a year fireplace fire (aren't most suburban fireplaces fake gas logs anyway?).

Getting in wood can be a pleasant yearly chore that marks the season, shared by family and sometimes friends. A house heated with wood has a different feel, especially if the stove in inside as compared to a central wood fed forced air system. It can be a great pleasure to stand near the stove and just feel the heat radiate, particularly after coming in on a freezing day from dropping hay to the cattle and horses. The smell of wood smoke in the air I find quite pleasant.

Aside from keeping us warm as we move wood, and keeping our homes toasty warm, some people still use wood cook stoves, at least in the winter. There is an incredible difference in food cooked on a wood cook stove; taste so much better.

But aside from interfering in our way of life, and destroying an effective way to warm us and cook our food, banning wood stoves deprives us of wood ashes that are a concentration of minerals that the trees had taken from the soil, but which don't burn. Is it any wonder that food grown in a home garden enriched partly by wood ashes is so much healthier than the devitalized vegetables sold commercially? Even food sold as organic is likely devoid of health sustaining minerals. Farmers don't add much of anything to their soil but Nitrogen, Potassium, and Phosphorous (perhaps a little lime occasionally to balance pH too). And long ago the soil was depleted of minerals that you need to avoid disease.

The amount of pollution in the US coming from wood stoves has got to be miniscule. I bet people burning leaves, still a common practice in some places, contributes more to pollution.

Hell, farting probably does more atmospheric damage. It that going to be illegal too?

This will be another law with unintended consequences. Some of the more modern wood stoves, while apparently not complying with the federal laws, are fairly efficient compared to more primitive stoves. But out of necessity, some people will make their own stoves. I know one person who just cut a door in an old 55 gal steel barrels, welded on some legs, and ran stove pipes up through his workshop roof. Cost him no more than $50, and it worked quite well but didn't burn as efficiently as what he could have bought, meaning he must burn more wood and the burning is inefficient, sending more partially combusted material into the atmosphere.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

"Chestnuts roasting on an

"Chestnuts roasting on an open fire, the government peaking in your windows."

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Abolish the EPA gestapo

The EPA is past its legitimate serviceable time frame. It should be abolished.

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Just how long has wood burning been going on anyway?

Any takers?

Strange days indeed!

This is what they want

As some one said, the Montrealers are get what they deserve. Vote a nanny state, get a nanny state. No doubt they will try the same BS in the US.

Vickie

Come and take it

Grandma and Grandpa FISHER Woodstoves

There's an old saying....

"If you go to the big box store and buy a wood stove, and by chance it would fall off the back of your truck on the way home, you'd have to call the roads department to come clean up all the little pieces.

If by chance you bought a 1970's era Fisher Woodstove and it falls off your truck, you'll need to call the roads department to come repair the hole in the road."

These babies are HEAVY. The Grandpa Bear stove is 450lbs of steel.

Ramblin Randy

Lets start delivering stoves to GREAT AMERICAN northern suburb

I think this would be a great chance to export stoves north ? Anybody game ?

Already banned fireplaces in NY

Years ago, here in NY, or should I restrict it to Niagara Falls ? , they banned operating fireplaces in any building that was not a single family home. Essentially they closed off even the gas logs fireplace in two families. this was not about air quality, but a knee jerk to one fatal fire. These laws are just government meddling. These Canadians will have the government they deserve. BURN BABY BURN !!!

So, if they have one nasty

So, if they have one nasty car crash that kills a few people, are they going to ban automobiles?

Where I live, in a somewhat

Where I live, in a somewhat rural part of New Hampshire (but far from being any sort of "wilderness") I can't imagine that the many people here who supplement their heating systems with wood stoves, pellet stoves, and high efficiency fireplaces will ever cause me a significant hazard from the smoke. If there ever is a need for regulations of wood smoke, our local government is fully capable of coming up with laws that deal with the problem without screwing over too many people who burn wood.

There is no reason whatsoever for the federal government to be creating regulations on this matter that apply to everyone and everyplace no matter what the circumstances. If the EPA is is to have any role at all in the use of wood stoves, it should simply be to devise objective ways to rate them for efficiency and particulate emissions, and then allow individuals and local communities to make their own decisions about which stoves should be used.

Re wood stoves I agree with you 100%.

I see three issues:
1) The "one size fits all" approach - as all federal mandates - unless, of course, you have an "in" and get a waiver (such as with Obamacare): As the article points out, "According to a Washington Times review of the wood stove ban, the most dangerous aspect of the EPA proposed guidelines is the one-size-fits-all approach to the perceived problem. The same wood burning stove rules would apply to both heavily air-pollution laden major cities and far cleaner rural regions with extremely cooler temperatures."

2) Outright banning of usage at the local level "In some areas of the country, local governments have gone further than the EPA and banned not just the sale of such stoves, but the usage of old stoves – and even the usage of fireplaces. That means that even if you still have a stove or a fireplace, you can’t burn it for fear of a fine." Who knows what kind of inducements are granted to local governments - just as with the states and the Common Core or states & local gov't re ICLEI/Agenda 21-inspired "sustainability plans." We need to keep tabs on local gov'ts and "environmental committees" who *do* slip things through because no one's paying attention. See Jill Booth's comments below. http://www.dailypaul.com/304800/epa-bans-most-wood-burning-s...

3) While the power of czars in federal agencies - not representatives of the people but unelected, unvetted political appointees should be a general concern, in this case *Congress* did give the EPA a mandate to enact regulations: the CLEAN AIR ACT, but with the powers granted the EPA having broadened over time - likely in line with Agenda 21/ICLEI goals. The Clean Air Act would need to be repealed or amended. That means not just venting here (I'm not talking to you but all of us, including myself) but a) spreading awareness among family, friends, local civic groups unaware of this issue - those still relying on the msm and (2-minute sound byte that *might* have made it to the evening news on this issue), and b) contacting our representatives in CONGRESS.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

California has already started the stupid rules.

From Nov 1 through February we are not allowed to use our fireplaces or wood burning stoves, unless we check their website the day before to see if it will be okay to have a fire the next day.
This blog explains the rules.
http://blog.pe.com/news/2013/11/03/inland-region-fireplace-r...
This is how it is enforced: Or if you want to rat out one of your neighbors for burning wood on a no-burn day, you can call 1-800-288-7664.

People should make business

People should make business cards that say; "As Good Neighbor I Promise Not to Snitch on You". Pass them out to your neighbors and strike up a conversation about the issue.

Next they might set up days when you're allowed to flush...

Next they might set up days when you're allowed to flush the toilet.

Is this an Onion article?

Is this an Onion article?

People have lost their f'ng minds.

This isn't nuts, it's beyond nuts.

The EPA certainly isn't playing with a full deck of cards.

I feel like 1984 just had a baby with the Twilight Zone.

The crazies are in charge, and most of the people are on 3 or 4 meds and are totally consumed by television and could care less.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Actually.....

There's been wood burning bans going on for 15+ years in certain parts of this komi kuntree.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Open masonry fireplaces are

Open masonry fireplaces are still allowed? Dont they put out more pollution than woodstoves?

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

rocket mass heaters are the way to go.

You make it yourself.

And the exhaust is invisible.

Do not try this yourself unless you are familiar with the concept "fire rated material" and "required clearance". Otherwise you will burn your house down.

And if you do it without permits, make sure you realize that you will instantly negate any insurance policy.

But if you are aware of these risks and still think it is worth it, it is the best way to go. Nobody will know and there will be no complaints because there is no visible exhaust.

God Bless.

Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the heads up. I've never heard of that type of wood burning heater before, but it looks very interesting. High efficiency and very low emissions. Not even the EPA would find anything to complain about (although they'd try).

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Love the concept

But I'm moving to NH from PA in the next few months - does anyone have any personal experience with these in cold climates? Believe me, I've done a ton of research but I've yet to come across the use of these as a sole source of heat where it gets and stays really cold - any links would be appreciated to.

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you can scale it up or down for size and temperature.

This will work on the North Pole or the equator.

There are videos and links and sites that show this.

Do more research.

There really is only one drawback ...

You are going to get inconsistant heat depending on frequency and duration of the burns.

Well 2 if you count the fact that you will have to do it yourself in most jurisdictions. There are no contractors because it is against code in all but a few areas.

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Thanks, I'll keep at it

I appreciate it - I'll keep digging. The "mass" seems to stabilize the inconsistency; other than slowly cooling down. I plan on replacing an existing pellet stove at the new home with a wood stove and I've got 15 acres heavily wooded for fuel - and I hope to heat as much as possible without the baseboard heating that's in the place.

I like the idea of DIY; I can't imagine how inefficient, cumbersome and expensive they would be if the EPA gets involved in this.

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A bit of advice ...

Think cleanouts and modular.

Enough cleanouts to access every inch of the assembly with a vacuum wand attached to a sweeper.

Modular enough to tweek key aspects of the system without having to redo the whole project.

This is one of the most rewarding DIY projects anyone could ever embark upon.

I wish you well on your journey.

God Bless.

rocket stove mass

Nice/good site

thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

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Yes, good site - thank you!

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Debbie