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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

Here they go again. :(
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/10/02/epa-bans-most-wood-...

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard.

Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.

(Some)Local governments have gone further than the EPA and banned not just the sale of such stoves, but the usage of old stoves – and even the usage of fireplaces. That means that even if you still have a stove or a fireplace, you can’t burn it for fear of a fine.
Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits



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Hopefully the "federal exemption" such as with Obamacare will

apply to those on reservations being helped by non-profit groups such as the Southwest Indian Foundation. Among other services is a stove assistance program. Whether living on reservations - or anywhere else - what are they going to do, let those who rely on wood stoves for heat freeze to death? They'd rather that people improvise with unsafe devices? http://www.southwestindian.com/service/stove.cfm

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Go ahead and ban them. I'll

Go ahead and ban them. I'll buy one out of spite and burn wood even though I don't have any use for it.

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bigmikedude's picture

I wonder what it's like

driving home in a hybrid with a hunk of red oak up your ass.

henry9's picture

Mine is burning at a moderate rate behind me as I comment this.

I plan to keep mine until I no longer need it. In 30 years I will be almost 90 years old. That is long enough if I am lucky. I will certainly not need much else either at that time, esp the gobmint telling me crap like this--maybe a stairway by some other entity.

Well there is always a light somewhere in the darkness.

Big government liberals are concentrated in urban areas. This is where the government subjugation is at its worst, and more easily enforced, but also where people are dangerously dependent on the system for their very survival.

When the industrial age fails from the skyrocketing cost to acquire energy, much sooner than people imagine, let them freeze their insane starving butts while self sufficient hillbilly conservatives enjoy their wood stoves and fireplaces and dine on the production from their farms and gardens. Darwin never sleeps.

Screw these demons.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Where do Rocket Stoves fall?

They are homemade (for the most part). I suppose this will be dealt with in the permitting process? And while the regulations will have us using less wood domestically... corporations will quietly be denuding our forests for overseas interests. Oy!

Frankly, this is right up on that line... akin to firearms

confiscation, I think. It deliberately and literally fucks with people's ability to survive.

Plan and act accordingly.

(The 3 or so EPA agents struggling to carry off a wood stove will make for easy targets. LOL!)

What would the Founders do?

Wood Stoves?

Where the hell is the EPA concerning all the chemicals and radiation falling from our skies?
I live in the country and always enjoyed all the birds returning in the spring. Last spring they were less than half, only one Hummingbird family showed up and I usually have at least 3, couple of Robbins when it used to be dozens. I see less wild life every year. 99% of the time when I take my dog out at night, I see particles falling from the sky in my flash light beam. This is all pure madness! Stay out of the rain and snow.
I heat with 2 wood pellet stoves, guess they will be next.

Where do you live?

I noticed the same thing with the hummingbirds this year; I only saw one and I have a flower garden and butterfly bush which usually would attract them.

MT

in the mountains

Me too...

the Blue Ridge.

They can have my wood stove when they can pry it

from my warm and toasty fingies.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

The F'ers are pushing this.....

While they do nothing for Fukashima.

Oh ya, I forgot, radiation is good for you.....

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Don't worry I'm sure they have their new "$mart" wood stoves ready to devu soon :)

Comes compelete with spy devices and a whole 10 day warranty.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Can anyone explain

the legal basis of EPA's authority to do this.

The legal basis is the Clean Air Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Air_Act_(United_States)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

More info at the EPA

http://www.epa.gov/air/caa/

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Ahh, thank you, so you have to wage

a federal fight through the clean air act.

A relationship was

just about severed over this wood-stove issue! When I complained that these regulations were enacted by federal agencies/political appointees, i.e., not elected officials and, therefore, without representation, I was schooled that the Clean Air Act *was* passed by Congress. I need to really read it. I don't know that I would have agreed with it to begin with; but, in any event, it's been amended since - with the EPA's powers and duties having only expanded. Even if I was okay with the idea, I don't trust the EPA - not with all I know about the influence of Agenda 21.

Admittedly, it's a difficult issue for me. I'm an environmentalist. And I understand that you can't evaluate things in isolation, that ecology is made up of interrelated systems. I understand that you need to consider things long-term. I'm aware also that, where air & water quality are concerned, political boundaries (e.g., state lines) are meaningless.

Yes, technically one individual, organization, city, county, or state could sue some other body over pollution that made its way over some border. But besides being virtually impossible to prove - what was added vs. what was there to begin with (or, say, to what extent particulate matter in the air affected x amount of people with respiratory diseases to y degree), where two or more states are concerned, I'd think it would still require some third party at the federal level to resolve the matter.

So, on the one hand, I think the EPA should be limited to making recommendations, with legislation left up to the states - especially given the influence and ultimate agenda of the U.N./Agenda 21/ICLEI. At this point, I simply no longer trust that the federal govt has Americans' best interest at heart. Furthermore, what comes out of the federal govt *standardizes* everything across the board - when that's unreasonable for such a huge & diverse country as the United States, diverse in terms of topography, resources, population density, and people's socio-economic status.

On the other hand, given that regular citizens (or even a state such as Vermont!) just might not have the time, energy, or resources to fight a legal battle against, say, a global corporation whose facilities in another state are polluting their air, water, or land - or a city responsible for the same - it would seem reasonable to have some sort of minimum standards.

I don't know what the answer is. In the case of wood stoves, though, it seems to me that trade-offs need to be weighed. Not to diminish a desirable atmosphere created by a wood stove or fireplace, but for some a wood stove is their heat source. Also, I have to believe there is some higher priority as a means to eliminate air pollution. When the issue of asthma was raised, I suggested we stop chemtrails and putting aluminum particles into the air. That was met with, "There is no such thing!" - to which I responded, "Wake up, will you!"

So yes. We'd have to wage a federal fight through the Clean Air Act. For some of us, we also need to clear the air at home!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I don't know about Legal,

but the push to abolish wood fires lies in UN Agenda 21, and the Clean Air Act.
The Progressives don't care if you and your family freeze your butts off if there is a big power outage in winter, they don't care if you can't cook or warm your food.
New UN Agenda 21 housing has no fire places or alternative heating from power.
Your Government is you enemy, but the UN is your BIGGEST enemy.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39431

Goddamn right!

Preach it, girl.

(Why won't the UN HQ just fall neatly into its own footprint from office fires? Damn.)

What would the Founders do?

Legal basis for EPA banning woodstoves?

Our "czars" say so! - czars neither elected, nor vetted, by Congress.
THE PROBLEM:
Pres. Obama: "The Problem Is...I’m Not The Emperor Of The United States" http://nation.foxnews.com/obama/2013/02/15/obama-problem-i-m... http://mwcnews.net/images/stories/americas/us/5/obama-empero...
THE SOLUTION:
It's the same "legal basis" as the pres. boasted he had power to use where the economy was concerned... "The president is once again trumpeting his desire — and promise — to circumvent Congress if it doesn’t accomplish his policy objectives... President Obama "...And where Congress is not willing to act, we’re going to go ahead and do it ourselves..." Can't get Congress to legislate? Regulate! http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/12/14/obama-again-says-...
NOTE: The following is from WIKIPEDIA! "Czar... a title used to designate certain European Slavic monarchs or supreme rulers. As a system of government... it is known as Tsarist autocracy." (Autocracy: gov't where one individual has absolute power.)
P.S. It's an issue regardless of who is president.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Lawnmowerman Syndrone.....

Remember what happens when a moron gets too much power too fast.

Lawnmowerman Syndrone.....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Is this for real?

This is nuts. I heated with wood for 30 years in Maine; I love the smell of woodstoves. They are crazy. It's the only affordable way to stay warm in Maine.

Edit: Oh, you can build your own woodstove with a 50 gal drum and other ways.

How will they know you gotta wood stove goin?....

Oh yeah, hey Charlie, look at da smoke comin outa dat stack! Let's smash in da door....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Put down the fire tongs

and come out with your hands up.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

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Suspicious timing...

Seems like this move was designed to kill some Americans by freezing.

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meekandmild's picture

I move to ban EPA

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Fantastic!!!!

You can start by fighting ICLEI ( INTERNATIONAL Council for Local Environmental Incentives) and the UN.
The following American website gives you the knowledge and tools to do so.
Go hard!!!!
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/sustainable_develop...