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EPA Bans Most Wood-Burning Stoves

Here they go again. :(
http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/10/02/epa-bans-most-wood-...

The EPA has banned the production and sale of the types of stoves used by about 80 percent of those with such stoves.

Most of the wood stoves currently nestled inside cabins and homes from coast-to-coast don’t meet the new environmental standard.

Trading in an old stove for a newer stove isn’t allowed.

(Some)Local governments have gone further than the EPA and banned not just the sale of such stoves, but the usage of old stoves – and even the usage of fireplaces. That means that even if you still have a stove or a fireplace, you can’t burn it for fear of a fine.
Montreal moves to eliminate all fireplaces within city limits

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WINNER of this post!!!

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Only problem I have with wood stoves: densely populated areas

But in medium density, rural and remote, I have no problem.

I have had wood stoves in the past, with neighbors who also had wood stoves. Medium density and rural areas. That's all good.

EPA to ban forest fires - hahahaha

Goes to show what the idiots will do in Washington. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Forest fires produce much greater amounts of pollution than wood stoves, in fact wood stoves may help reduce the impact of forest fires because people go and cut down the dead trees that are highly flammable.

Yes big oil we have a way of self sufficiency, we hate your constantly rising prices for natural gas, heating oil etc. so go suck an egg.

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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

I was a fireman' back in the 90's......

'Independant-contractor fire fighter.' I had my own truck that we rented out along with a team of fighters. We couldn't get work because, once again, "they didn't have the money" for non-gov workers.

While America burns nero fiddles....

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And yes, it's a true story.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

U.S. outlaws burning wood while Europe embraces it.

~ "The idea that wood is low in carbon sounds bizarre. But the original argument for including it in the EU’s list of renewable-energy supplies was respectable. If wood used in a power station comes from properly managed forests, then the carbon that billows out of the chimney can be offset by the carbon that is captured and stored in newly planted trees. Wood can be carbon-neutral." The Fuel of the Future. http://www.economist.com/news/business/21575771-environmenta...

Oops: Europe’s green mandates have resulted in more imported coal and wood consumption http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/28/oops-europes-green-man...

Hey, guess what country is feeding the demand for wood in EUROPE? The United States! Europe's Green-Fuel Search Turns to America's Forests http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732408260...

WSJ Why U.S. Wood Can—and Should—Power Europe http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142412788732479890...

Execpt, there might not be enough to go around. Hmmm. How can the government get AMERICANS to stop using wood so there will be enough to cut down for our socialist green-fanatic friends in Europe? Hm. Any ideas anyone?

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Wow mdefarge That was GREAT

One of the best posts I've read in a long time, concise, to the point, which is very sharp.. peircing.. the kind of thing I can take to the committee and make an agenda out of. THANK YOU!!

Good post

I'm sure we can expect mandatory home inspections in the future ensuring we have nothing unapproved by the unanimity Borg (or be taxed/fined). The self imposed managers of the world are already assuming their positions. There may come a day when free people burn bureaucrats for warmth.

Chestnuts roasting on an open fire. *singing*

POLICE! GET HIM!

*BLAM BLAM BLAM*

Damn environmental terrorists.

You'll need to choose a different song. That Nat King Cole

standard was banned, at least in its recognizable form, for promoting disreputable or dangerous behaviors:
1) The title - "The Christmas Song" uses the word "Christmas," acknowledging not only religion but Christianity. Changed to "The Holiday Song."
2) Chestnuts - Changed to GMO soy nuts.
3) Jack Frost - sexist language. Changed to Jack & Jill Frost (later Jick Frost).
4) Yuletide carols sung by a choir - banned except for gatherings in private residences, carols being a "subset" of Christmas music.
5) Eskimo - Changed to Inuit.
6) Turkey - Changed to genetically modified poultry product.
7) Mistletoe - Banned. It's poisonous! It could kill you! What if children or pets were in the house! Also, connotes romance vs. sex.
8) Santa - Myth, mystery, symbolism, religion, spirituality banned in the name of promoting realism; acknowledges children as developmentally different than adults; and has as a root the word "saint," with a religious connotation.
9) Goodies - Must specify sugar-free.
10) Merry Christmas - banned salutation in public (includes public airwaves); and
11) Open fire - doubly banned due to smoke and being a fire hazard.

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

LOL

When you're hot, you're hot. Keep 'em burnin'!!

Goodbye campfire girls .. oh they all ready did away with them.. now it's Camp Fire USA.. well so long http://www.campfireusa.org/

I thought you were joking. lol

Girl: Mom, am I old enough to be a Campfire girl?
Mother: Shame on you, calling yourself a girl!
Girl: Well I'm not a lady yet, Mom! I'm only five!
Mother: Lady? Kindly do not use that patronizing term.
Girl: What's patronizing mean?
Mother: When you think you're better than someone else.
Girl: Better than who?
Mother: Never mind.
Girl: Well, am I? Old enough to be a Campfire girl?
Mother: Stop saying girl! You're beginning to worry me!
Girl: Well I'm not a boy!
Mother: Is there a *reason* you insist on noting gender difference?!
Girl: Sorry. So, um, what should I say?
Mother: Just... Just Campfire. That's the new name.
Girl (puzzled): Am I old enough to be a camp fire? (laughing) You're funny, Mommy. I'm not a fire! I'm a person!

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Wait a sec.....

Now I'm lost. Who was on first again?....

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

I don't know who was on first,

but I know who was *not* - a Campfire girl. As I've just learned, there is no such thing anymore. Check Granger's link. What used to be "Campfire Girls" is now just "Campfire."

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Oh boy!

Sad to say

the bottom line
Is they want to strip you of any way of surviving without being in their control web.
Total dependency on them. Every law that is passed these days (for our safety) is to eliminate any type of personal independence.
It will not be long before it will be illegal to exist.

NOSHEEPLE

and food

"Hoarding" food is also discouraged under federal law.

Country people have wood burning stoves. Wood is a waste product. It grows along fence lines and other places it has to be removed. Rural areas tend to have lower costs of living. Burning wood makes sense as a way of life to many. No, we don't all want to live in Agenda21 urban modules. This should be a political issue in rural areas. Get the word out and get people into voting booths before the federal government wrecks another industry and drives families off the land.

ummmm

I'm a "country person" who has a wood burning stove, and I don't consider wood a waste product, nor do I consider living rurally a lower cost of living. It may appear lower, but when you are living rurally, the cost is made when you do have to go to the city, let's say, to buy a wood stove.. city wood stove will cost $1,500.00 and out here, $3,000.00 for example.

I really appreciate what you said about making it a politial issue. I think you are right on and hope that you follow up on your idea.

So how will this be enforced?

So how will this be enforced?

Southern Agrarian

Inspections

My guess is they will tie it up in real estate contracts.. if you live in an area where you have to pass an inspection to lease the property, or when you put the place up for sale, you will have to install a new stove to sell, tax assessor, insurance assessors.. the government on a city/county and state level could do it like that, or the feds could expand their ariel DEA to take images of the heat/waste eliminated from the chimney, like they do for indoor cannabis grows.

It's a darn good way to get people to move out of rural areas (where they haven't burnt. flooded or mud/rock slide them out already).

I,,,

100% agree with this!
Be it Township, city or insurance assessors, they will invade your living space and everything you own.

NOSHEEPLE

Surely that's the plan: get people out of rural areas (UN Map)

Here's the United Nations Agenda 21 map. Notice how RED and YELLOW it is? That's LITTLE TO NO HUMAN USE and BUFFER ZONE/HIGHLY REGULATED USE, respectively. http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/agenda2...

Notice that going from one sector to another, namely, from blue area to blue area (where people will be allowed, the "Zones of Cooperation"), it seems you'd often have to pass through a "red line" - not that I'm saying it will be something akin to The Wall, with authorized U.S. Government or United Nations checkpoints where your credentials will be verified and you'll have your vehicle searched, such as for cut wood, heirloom seeds, or other contraband. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/15/article-0-004255B4...

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I would assume that if you

start a fire that local governments would send a swat team armed with military surplus to either burn you alive or shoot you to death. Problem solved.

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No, too expensive to send in the human robots...

That job is scheduled for the new Lockheed Martin heat-seeking drones [watch the movie Oblivion].

‘Imagination is not a talent of some men, but the health of every man.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Cliff hanger......

Tell me, are the drones (in the movie) actually 'set to bomb certain heat signatures?'

Fait accompli. In many ways "Hollywood" has a way of actually coming to life.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

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The answer to cliff hanger...

The drones are programmed to kill humans and heat signatures are one way they detect human activity. IMHO, Oblivion is one of the best movies since the Matrix in terms of its deep symbolism and veiled warning messages that act as seeds of gnosis in the minds of those who are receptive to their germination.

‘Imagination is not a talent of some men, but the health of every man.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson

b) Each affected facility

b) Each affected facility shall com­ply with the applicable emission limits in
§ 60.532 unless exempted under para-
graph (c), (d), (e), (f), (g) or (h) of this
section.
(c)

(d) [Reserved]
(e) Affected facilities manufactured
in the U.S. for export are exempt from
the applicable emission limits of
§ 60.532 and the requirements of
§ 60.533.
(f) A wood heater used for research
and development purposes that is never
offered for sale or sold is exempt from
the applicable emission limits of
§ 60.532 and the requirements of
§ 60.533. No more than 50 wood heaters
manu­factured per model line may be ex­
empted for this purpose.
(g) A coal-only heater is exempt from
the applicable emission limits
of
§ 60.532 and the requirements of
§ 60.533.
(h) The following are not affected
fa­cilities and are not subject to this sub-
part:
(1)Open masonry fireplaces con­structed on site,
(2) Boilers,
(3) Furnaces, and
(4) Cookstoves.
(i) Modification or reconstruction, as
defined in
§§
60.14 and 60.15 of subpart A,
shall not, by itself, make a wood heater
an affected facility under this subpart.

GREAT! (!P

I am so glad they are protecting us, like a good nanny should! NOT!!