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Adam Kokesh - Why I support him...

I've only met Adam a couple of times (he did a promo for the Vet's march on the convention in my Ron Paul Liberty Corvette) but I am impressed by his sincerity and honesty. Now I'm sure he has some problems (don't we all?). I can't believe that he's up to sneaky tactics or harm to the liberty idea which he strongly promotes and I feel is engrained deep in his soul. He got in deep and I'm sure that most vets believe that their "government" (a fiction) would, when push comes to shove, would side with justice. As an old man, I know that this is far from the truth. I've seen way too many people go to prison for long terms (my friend Irwin Schiff and Ed and Elaine Brown for example) for taking a stand for liberty. Of course the mistake that all these people made was assuming that justice can be found in the court systems.

IT CANNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I need more exclamation points)

Anyone who takes a liberty stand will not find any satisfaction in our courts unless they get an ally on the jury (very unlikely they way they stack the juries). Jury nullification is a fantastic idea and I even wrote an article that was published in the Seaside Oregon newspaper back in the mid-70's (I have a copy of it). I wrote the article after I was amazed by what Lysander Spooner wrote in his "Essay on the Trial By Jury". Jury nullification is something we all need to promote but we can't be too confident as in these high profile cases I'm sure that the "government" (a fiction) will make sure that ALL 12 will be friends of the court or otherwise bought out. "They" can't afford to lose these cases as the rabble will see them as weakness and will start to actually believe that their rights can be protected from violation by the goons.

We don't know what happened to Adam while in lockup and I doubt that he will be able to tell us (either through a gag order or his own restriction on letting it all out through his misplaced concern about what others might think). I know that if I am subjected to certain treatment (torture comes in many forms) that I will confess to killing RFK and Lincoln. The human mind can be conditioned and broken and although I don't think Adam has been "broken" I'm sure he was presented with two possible outcomes and chose the wiser path.

Don't tell me you guys know what he's been through because only Adam knows the answer.

I love you Adam...

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Adam Kokesh is my friend.

He may or may not have made poor judgment in tangling with the park police.

I dont agree with his tendency to use some mind-altering drugs.

But he is a real patriot and absolutely sincere.

And he is my friend.

So I support him.

Is it true

that Adam is going to jail for 7 years? If so... that is insane. This system is a sham.

I met Adam in Philly where Ron Paul Spoke. He is a very smart man and very respectable. Obama should be thrown in jail for murder!

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It's hard to say what the

It's hard to say what the sentence will be but we can assume that there was a offer made to Adam where he would get a reduced sentence for taking the plea... We won't know for sure until after sentencing.

Beware the cult of "government"...

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I will follow Adam Kokesh anywhere...

He is a TRUE PATRIOT in every sense of the word.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Not trying to troll you, just

Not trying to troll you, just wanted to point out that Adam considers Patriotism a very bad thing. Look up his video: Patriotism is for Bitches.

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He's a marine.

Marines, typically, are very straightforward.

I do adjust my previously stated terminology, somewhat, to reflect that, rather than follow him, I will stand beside him anywhere, anytime, anyplace to fight for our civil liberties and rights as free and sovereign citizens.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

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Adam confronted a wild animal

Adam confronted a wild animal and that animal is trying to hurt him. This particular wild animal does not so much wish to kill it's prey but rather to control it. Adam has to follow his survival instinct to determine the best way to deal with the predatory animal that is attacking him. I cannot make that decision for him and no one else can either. I do believe that Adam has made the best choice available to him. Certainly there was not much that the rest of us were able to do to help him behind bars.

Beware the cult of "government"...

Steadfast, ChristianAnarchist and mwstroberg...

Steadfast, ChristianAnarchist and mwstroberg. I was honored to read your statements below about your faith. They were honest and had integrity. They were the words of leaders of men, not followers of men. Thank you for the examples.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Thanks, Patriot.

It has taken me many years to reach the conclusions I have come to, but I am trying my hardest to be honest with myself about what I believe.

For many years, I felt I must adhere to the traditional doctrine of Christian Faith, basically, trust that God will explain everything to you and you will understand his purposes, accept without question that God always does the right thing, and the "right thing" is what is written in what we know of as the Bible.

But then I started thinking, if Satan exists and he was able to deceive me into believing that God didn't even exist for so many years, maybe he could deceive me into not understanding the true nature of God, now that I know He exists. I simply couldn't like myself as the closed minded individual. I realized that God must know I am uncomfortable being dogmatic and closed minded, and I couldn't possibly deceive him, and, it is not only cowardly, but IMMORAL to try.

I have a lot of problems with the concept of a permanent Hell. It seems to me that those who end up in eternal torment were created just so that they could be tortured. It seems unjust to me.

My wife has taught me a lot about the meaning and limits of free will. She is bi-polar, and has an addictive personality. My spiritual and political history taught me that free will is absolute. But I'm not so sure now. Her brain physiology and chemistry make it so that even though she wishes to behave a certain way, nine times out of ten she simply cannot exhibit self control. My lack of understanding about this almost cost us her life, as I tried to give her maximum freedom and she abused it.

I realize now that we all act with limited knowledge, of all types: instinctual, rational, emotional. This is our condition as imperfect beings. If somehow God gave us the choice between Heaven and Hell, and also gave us perfect knowledge and intelligence to make the decision, it seems to me that NOT ONE SOUL WOULD CHOOSE HELL. I'm inclined to believing this now, that perhaps God's plan is perfect and Satan ultimately is denied even one soul. But I try to stay humble enough not to say that I am certain of that.

Far too many have allowed themselves to be boxed in

Far too many have allowed themselves to be boxed in and manipulated as followers over the last couple thousand years. I am sure this was not the intent of God. It makes one a servant of men rather than a servant of God. I am sure that the ideal is to have self virtue and interpretation rather than have others interpret and mandate what is to be virtue for us. I don't think it was ever meant to limit thinking to within the box, because if it was, then even the concept of an immortal being and creator might be considered "thinking outside the box".

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Many choose hell knowing full

well what God says hell will be like.

If we all had perfect knowledge as you refer to, we would all be God. God expects us to trust Him when we cannot understand.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Peace, Sister

You don't have to sound so gleeful about it.

Huh? What in my statement

Huh? What in my statement sounded gleeful?

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Sorry, young woman, my bad.

I have vivid memories of my days in High School, and a "Christian" (we'll just call him "R.W.") who set me on the path of many years of atheism by his abhorrent (to me) speech where he told me "You'd better get with it or I'll be up at the right hand of God laughing at you burning down there in Hell." After that I went on a one man crusade against anything theistic in general, and Christian in particular. It was only many years later that I realized he was not speaking for God, and that Satan had deceived me into believing that to be a Christian meant to be callous to human suffering.

I still encounter self described Christians on this site who teach that some people are not even allowed to be saved, because they are not of the "elect." I'm sorry, but I do not believe God is an ogre, in spite of all the efforts of Satan to convince people he is. The idea that a person is created expressly so that he may go to Hell forever, without even the chance of choosing salvation, is abhorrent to any thinking person. You can judge me all you want, but you have to think for yourself (for a Christian, under "divine inspiration and guidance"). Simply uncritically believing what others have taught you, because they said "it's the word of God", is an affront to God and reason, in my opinion.

God's Elect

About God's "Elect"......

If God really wanted every single person on earth to be saved, then He is a miserable failure and simply has not much control of things down here on this sorry planet, but the fact is, this is NOT the case!

Why is it do you think that some believe on Christ and most do not?
Is it that they are smarter than most, or have kind of figured it all out?

Absolutely NOT! It is because God has changed their heart and put His Spirit within them to give them faith and understanding, and wisdom in the things of God!

God WILL, and DOES save whom He will!

Just as one example He gives us is that He chose Jacob and NOT Esau!

Read chapter 9 of Romans and SEE for yourself.

First you need to get a Bible and read what God says to us and NOT what you or I think He says or what He does or doesn't do!

Do you really think that God cannot have a people for Himself according to His perfect will?

Do you really think that if God did not draw those He chooses unto Himself, that man would decide to choose Him and so He just needs to wait upon us?

If God left it up to us, we would NEVER choose Him nor His ways.

He must Himself, give those He chooses a new heart and put His Spirit within them, so that they are "Born Again".

Ezekial 36:25-27

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them!

Do you see who is doing ALL the work of salvation here?

It is God alone!

How can we even KNOW His will and His way for us if we did not have His Word ( the Bible) to tell us?

How can we really see our wretchedness if it were not spelled out in detail in His Word, convicting our very soul and conscience as we turn its pages?

For many centuries, man has done his all to disprove the Bible and its 66 books, but has miserably failed again and again. because God wrote the Bible using those He chose to pen His Word for all mankind to read.

It is written in the book of Proverbs 13:13 "He who despiseth the Word, shall be destroyed"

That should be a severe WARNING to EVERYONE who says that there is no Bible that is accurate and/or infallible and therefore they chose not to read it!

They who say this, judge themselves and witness against themselves that they do not approve of God nor His precious Word to them!

Now, the word "Elect" is used in the Bible many, many times.
I will list just a few for you to read so that you can SEE with your very own eyes that He gave you. that it is God Himself who chooses those whom He will, to be a people for Himself.

He is both the Author and Finisher of our faith!

Here are some verses with the word "Elect" ( emphasis mine )

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the ELECT

Luke 18:7
And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's ELECT? It is God that justifieth

Romans 9:11
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth

Romans 11:7
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

1 Thessalonians 1:3,4
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
Knowing, brethren beloved, your ELECTION of God.

Colossians 3:12
Put on therefore, as the ELECT of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's ELECT

1 Peter 1:1

ELECT according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ

For anyone to deny God's will to ELECT whomsoever He will unto salvation is to thumb their nose at the very God who wrote the Bible.

We who are His chosen are the Bride of Christ, and He certainly will choose His bride!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

As I explained in a comment above

If God sees in my heart that I cannot accept a doctrine laid down in the Bible, no amount of effort on my part to adjust my beliefs to suit Biblical inerrancy or fool God into thinking I do accept it is going to achieve anything.

I'm sorry but I'll just have to disagree with you. You may judge me if you wish, but I do not believe God is an ogre. You seem to be saying that he creates certain people with the express desire that they be subject to eternal torment. If this is the case, God knows I cannot accepted it, so I'm damned anyway.


My friend, PLEASE KNOW that I am not judging you, I am trying by the grace of God to help open your understanding.

I never said anything about eternal torment.

Hell, is the grave.

It is the eternal death that those who enter will never have the hope of enterning the eternal joy and riches of being with Christ in a heaven of love, peace joy and things that we know not in this life of how unspeakable that joy will be.

They have set their happiness in this short time on earth and care not about eternity.

I say what I say ( poorly as I do ) to hopefully put some thought into the minds of those who do not know truth and in some way they are in their hearts desiring to know it.

I only they knew!

I never judge anyone for their unbelief, or hatred for God because I know that all are sinners including myself and only through the mercy of God is anyone saved.

It is all His work!

He hears the prayers of His children, and therefore I pray for you that one day you will come to the true faith and eternal life in the Lord Jesus Christ, I truly pray for you.

The Chief of Sinners.....Holbrook

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Thank you so much for your response.

I have learned so much about the mercy and love and justice of God in the last few years.

Calvinism (the doctrine to which you refer) is a heresy, but many born again believers have bought into this lie.

You might want to check out the Bible teachings of Mike Pearl. He teaches the Bible verse by verse, and is not a calvinist nor and arminian. He has helped me see how God is definitely not an ogre, but he truly wants every person to be saved. I would say that learning the Bible truly, has made me the 'libertarian woman' I am today.

Here is just one clip of him teaching...

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Thanks Girl,

The person commenting just above you (holbrook) seems to think differently than you about election. I am more in agreement with you on this.

Holbrook seems like a godly and sincere person, but it doesn't

make him/her right on this issue.

When I encountered the doctrines of Calvinism, I was repulsed. I was supposed to believe that the God I'd been serving since childhood actually wanted people to go to hell. But, I loved truth more than anything and since the Calvinists had given me a few proof texts from Scripture, I HAD to look into it. I grappled with it for about four years. If God was like that, I wanted to know it. You see, it's not about what our human minds can handle, but what is truth. Even if God was an ogre, He is still creator and deserves my obedience and worship. So, I read the Bible over and over. I read the 'proof texts' IN CONTEXT repeatedly. I finally came to KNOW that Calvinism was untrue. Before that, I would say, "I just can't believe that", but it never satisfied. I had to KNOW the truth. We have to base our beliefs on the Scripture because our emotions, intellect, and even Satan will many times deceive us. We also have to realize that anyone can "prove" anything they want with the Bible. We have to ask God for wisdom, believe what's written (in context), accept the few things we cannot understand, and we will know the truth.

Since then, I have found the Bible teachings of Michael Pearl, and he made everything make even more sense (as far as where the doctrines of Calvinism came from, etc.). Like I said earlier, I have learned how truly merciful and just God is. I don't bother arguing with the Calvinists any longer (my own beloved sister has become one) because they are a proud sort and will not change their minds unless God deals with them. I just pray they will see the truth, and I keep telling lost sinners the true gospel.

May God bless you!

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

The Bible says

The Bible says what it says!

Forget about what someone else says ..what ANYONE says...( including me ).

Trust nobody, but be like the Bereans and search the Scriptures to see what someone is saying is true to the Word of God.

Praise God we do not have to GUESS about who God is, or what He wants us to do and not do, how we MUST be saved and that is ONLY through faith in Jesus Christ His Son and NO OTHER WAY!

That is why God gave us the Bible, so we can see what He says to us!
Those things that I have stated, are NOT my thoughts, nor MY interpretation, but what God says in His Word.

I never metioned "calvanism" .....why do you keep bringing that up?


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I spent 4 hours with a Federal Judge

I was doing My own Civil Rights case in federal court ... The settlement conference Judge was pretty cool ... My last statement to him in chambers was "I don't wish to offend you and I'm going out on a limb here but I do not believe there is no longer any rule of law in this country ... he looked at me and looked down and said ...

"I am afraid you may be correct"

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I'm torn about Adam, really.

I like his sincerity, I admire his youthful vigor and zeal, I honor his standing up and refusing to be sat down.


I don't think he makes a difference in the long term, so I fear for him.

I know I'm jaded, I'm an optimistic pessimist: the glass is half full, and evaporating fast.
I'm also a scholar of biblical prophecy, and America, who is in scripture ( Revelation 13:11-18 ) does not seem to recover either by revolution or other means from being who she is now " an image of the first beast " who speaks like a " dragon ".
Today, here is another thread " American values around the world " international treaty " is a example of how America is being that " image of the first beast, to make the whole world worship the first beast " . Research Leo X, a pope, his bull, Rarum Novarum, in this papal bull Leo pens a list of human rights, one of these is the very " right " discussed in this other thread. We can clearly then see the image acting as the first does.
Research " order of the Bath ", Becketts murder, KingJohns concessions to pope Innocent and how America has always been a possession of the Vatican by legal right. Research how every president and secretary of state hold a knighthood from the king/ Queen of England in this Order of the Bath. Is not holding a heraldic title against the express will of the constitution ?
Research John Jays and Franklins treaties with King George, see them in the light of King Johns concession to Innocent. The apparent victory in the revolution was given to prevent a future revolution by deception, we are still under fielty to England and both England and America to Rome.

I feel for Adam, I know and agree with how he feels: but he does not know what I know, and you can know, and thusly he acts in the flesh in a manner doomed to fail.

God bless
Stēkō Parrēsia Iesōus

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington


is NOT anywhere in the Bible nor is America referred to anywhere in the Bible and so I had to downvote you for that....sorry.

Many theologians try to excite the masses with their so called inner knowledge of the Word of God and even boldly tell their followers that God Himself spoke to them and revealed thus and thus and come up with these lies about prophecy.

Don't get caught in that trap!

They are wolves in sheep's clothing!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Yes it is, you just have to read the last Chapter

and then think while you do it. So keep reading, you'll get there eventually. It's quite an ending!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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I also consider myself a

I also consider myself a "Christian" (hence the handle) but many "Christians" do not consider me to be one of them because I strongly object to many of the common teachings of the churches. I became a Christian in 1970 at age 18. I was strongly influenced by a powerful shyster back then named Hal Lindsey with his book "The Late Great Planet Earth". He had it all layed out in there how the USSR moving into Afganistan was the "Kings of the North" and how they were going to attack Israel and set up the "Beast" in a newly built temple. It all made such great sense. The problem was, it was ALL wrong. He led many like me astray and quite frankly I made quite a fool of myself trying to convince others how we were in the "last days" and the second coming was just around the corner. Well I'm 61 now and hopefully a bit wiser. I still believe that Christ is my Savior but I also believe he is the Savior of the world. I really don't believe in a "hell" as most Christians believe in but I do believe that many will feel such remorse for what they have done in life that they will feel a burning inside for how they could have made a better life when they had the chance. In the end though, I believe that ALL men are saved by the grace of God through the sacrifice of Jesus. This is what's in my heart and yes, it means that I believe that some of what we call "The Bible" is not accurate. How can it be? There are so many translations and even those who claim to "know" the original languages are looking back 2000 years and trying to figure out what was the contemporary meaning of the words and phrases. We even have a problem translating current languages much less writings from 2000 years ago...

OK. Now many here can call me a "heretic"...

Beware the cult of "government"...

You are so very wrong!

If ANY of the Bible is not acurate and true, then throw it out the window!

The problem is NOT with the Bible, but with man's understanding of it!

God's Word IS true and acurate for it is written "Every Word of God is true, He is a shield to those who trust Him" ~ Proverbs 30:5 ~

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16

If you cannot believe ALL the Bible, then maybe none of it is true for how can you know what is true and what is not with your thinking!

You are in grave error my friend and had better re-assess your thinking on this very important matter.

Also, ALL men are NOT saved by the grace of God, but ONLY those who are called out and chosen by God Himself ( That also is in the Bible ).

The reason for the MANY, MANY, MANY different translations is at least twofold,

1.) More and "Newer easier to understand" Bibles = More Money for the publishers!

Truth is that they are NOT easier to understand but confusing, poorly interpreted, and watered down purposely with evil intent!

2.) The other so called "Newer versions" are in reality "perversions" and are of the evil one in order to bring distrust in the Bible and its truth, and to bring confusion as to which version is the real Bible and so they figure why read the Bible and use that as an excuse.

We are told in the Bible that in the very last days, there would be many false teachers, and that there would be a great famine, not of bread, but of hearing the true Word of God, and we are there right now.

The King James Authorized has been around for over 400 years and read by millions, and yet in our day people are brought to the lie that that version is too old, not in our language with all the "thee and thou" within its pages, and so its not for our modern day people.

"We need a Bible that's easier to understand" they say.

If you don't believe the Bible is the very Word of God then you are subject to the plagues written within its pages as told us in Revelation 22:18,19.

"Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path"

I truly hope you search the truth and follow it, and be not led in a wrong path that leads to utter destruction.

God's Word IS true....EVERY Word!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

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I respect your faith, but I

I respect your faith, but I disagree with your assessment. I wish that I could look at "A Bible" and know that it is the unadulterated Word Of God, but I cannot. There are too many "Bibles" (look at the discrepancies in translations). None of these scriptures were written in 20th century English so that means that someone has to interpret the meaning. Even the "original" writings are really not original at all. They have been handed down and who knows what has happened during the many years since the words were first written. As a Christian, I've heard so many "teachers" teaching exact OPPOSITE viewpoints from the SAME scriptures that I've determined in my own heart that these "teachers" are mostly the blind leading the blind. I will make my own determination of what I believe God truly is and I BELIEVE that He is above all, full of Mercy and Love for His creation and I truly believe that "He is not willing that any should perish..." and I think that really means that none will perish because the greatest power in the universe DOES NOT WANT THEM TO PERISH. Peace...

Beware the cult of "government"...

Your very first statement

Your very first statement proves what I said about the many translations.
Your view is that of what many unbelievers say as to why they will not read or trust the Bible!

Satan is doing his job well.

I myself, am not a very learned man, and yet I have never had trouble reading nor understanding the King James Authorized version but have memorized a great many verses mostly because I have spent much time reading but ALSO because of the simplicity of how it is written!

We must also PRAY for wisdom and understanding of His Word as we read it!

"Open Thou mine eyes that I might behold wonderous things out of Thy law"

You go get yourself a Bible and start reading it!

No excuses here brother!

I too respect your faith, but brother, you'd better get a real Bible, a King James Authorized or a Geneva are the very best translations. At worst there are a couple of words that could have been better translated, but nothing so far off that the meaning of those couple of words was lost.

Your arguments, sadly are the very arguments that athiests and unbelievers use to say that there is no accurate translations or too many translations, blah blah blah and so they find solace in thinking that if and when they face Almighty God, they will have THAT as their excuse for not reading and therefore for not believing, but they will be without excuse and perish in all their sins.

That is the truth of this matter.

God gave us His Word to read, study and to live by.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"

Did you have any trouble understanding that?

What a person thinks of God's Word, is what they think of God Himself!

You'd better get a Bible and start reading it and get fed and guided because your understanding, even though it is most sincere, it terribly flawed with untruths.

When you say that God is not willing that ANY should perish ( spoken of in 2 Peter 3) it is saying that God is not willing that ANY of His chosed whom Christ died for will perish, and of course they will not because He will save all His people before they come to their lifes end.

The Word of God is VERY clear that the majority of people from the beginning of time to the end of time will die in their sins and only a remnant will be saved. They are lost and without Christ!

Remember...."Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there are that be thereon, and narrow is the way that leadeth to life and few there be that find it"

That is VERY CLEAR and concise and spoken of again and again in the Bible.

In just two examples ( there are a great many examples ) Jesus said, "All that the Father giveth me will come to me, and whosoever cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out"

"No man can come to me UNLESS the Father which sent Me draweth him"

Do you see the truth there? All that the Father GIVETH Christ, will come to Him! Not maybe, but WILL COME TO HIM, and only because it was God's good pleasure to do so and so He drew them to believe on His Son Jesus the Savior.

ALL His elect...NOT ALL mankind!

Jesus came to pay for the sins of His people! NOT ALL MANKIND, but His people!

You can read about that in Matthew 1:21 and many other places!

Salvation is ALL God's work and ALL God's will fully accomplished in His time according to His perfect will and purpose.

God's will is ALWAYS accomplished and never frustrated or denied...EVER!

Start reading and pray for wisdom in this most important matter for without the very living Word of God, you have no foundation for God's truth and Person, and will, other than your feelings which are sinful and flawed like everyone elses including me.


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I study from the Koine and Hebraic

I read it, write it, speak it.
I agree about your post in so many ways though, we are incredibly close in theology.
Hell, as commonly believed to be, is hermeneutics, Greek Gnosticism brought into mainstream by Thomas Aquainus. It is NOT SCRIPTURAL at all. God does not torment, he consumes sin away. Like a volcanos magma instantly consumes, so does the lake of fire. NO sin will remain after the white throne judgment, and that means no sinful men or fallen angels who dwell in sin.
I'm also a student of ancient cultures, idioms, history.
I'm dead serious about my relation in Jesus, for if I'm not, I'm dead.
I also " hear " God daily, many times. I'd describe this, but you either know or don't and I've found that trying to explain the unexplainable is seemingly beyond my limited ability with words to do so.

I'm not a " defend my church to the death " type of man. I am a; change within by trusting God to keep His promises In relation to my sanctification kind of guy.
I favor my Jesus over my church EVERYTIME. And my church is so asleep right now anyway, filthy stinking rich, full of form and not function, Ladiocia perfected.

God bless, brother.

Stēkō ( koine Greek, word concept : steadfast, with intent and purpose ) Parrēsia : ( koine : to proclaim in a loud clear voice ) Iesōuse ( koine: Jesus transliterated name ) full meaning in the Koine " to steadfastly declare Jesus "

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington