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Church of England accepts Evolution, offers apology.


The Church of England will concede in a statement that it was over-defensive and over-emotional in dismissing Darwin's ideas. It will call "anti-evolutionary fervour" an "indictment" on the Church".

The bold move is certain to dismay sections of the Church that believe in creationism and regard Darwin's views as directly opposed to traditional Christian teaching.

The apology, which has been written by the Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, the Church's director of mission and public affairs, says that Christians, in their response to Darwin's theory of natural selection, repeated the mistakes they made in doubting Galileo's astronomy in the 17th century.

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Highly inaccurate. Much of

Highly inaccurate.

Much of the progress medical science has made has been from studying how medicines, chemicals, and genetics effect lifeforms with much shorter lifespans.

Though the creationist viewpoint may not like it, our biological functions at the core are not too different then other mammals, and our cell functions are not too different then insects and bacteria.

To date, scientists have already had some interesting findings when looking at mammal intelligence, genetics, and environmental factors.

Also, who is "randomly" messing with embryo DNA that you claim of?

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison


I pretty much agree with most of the things you say here. But there is a difference between our dna not being too different from other creatures dna and reading and writing new dna.

On the embryo I was trying to make the point that if you want to know how to read and write the dna you will have to change the dna of an embryo randomly, until you know how each part of the dna reacts to each other part.

I am a creationist and I think its possible to make designer babies where you can not only choose the sex of the baby or the hair color but with enough knowledge change the IQ, or make the muscles more dense, or make them live longer. I think that its probably possible for you to do this with adults too but you would have to have some way of changing every strand of dna in the adults body, but we are centuries from doing some of the more delicate things. I dont think designer babies are moral, but I do think its possible. just not right now.


Don't know what the cost has to do with anything.

I know how to heal a broken bone properly, does that mean i know the mechanism for bone creation, does that eplain why there are bones in your body that never grow after your born, like your ear bones ... Hmm reminds me of Gregor Mendel seems he was playing with genetic code also

There are many scientist who doubt creation, but they are banned from public colleges and schools, watch the Ben Stein epelled, read slaughter of the dissedents .. i see the evolutionists don't like to deal with hard questions about their thoery, makes you wonder why they call themselves scientists more like religios ealots

Darwin was a geologist by training and his theory was good enough for you .. but now we need biologists to doubt evolution .. Why?

Cost has everything to do

Cost has everything to do with it.

Cheaper cost -> More people able to do research.

With more people being able to join the research, new novel ideas and less funded research programs are able to participate without having need of large donor backing.

Also, there are clear explanations as to why some bones grow and some do not. It is all explained and documented. Take any advance anatomy class and you will see :)

Darwin was a geologists, true, back then there was no field of evolutionary biology to study. Today, after hundreds of years of worldwide research, there is such a repository of knowledge that it takes a lifetime of dedication to even begin to comprehend the amount of knowledge that we have been able to generate from studying the world around us.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

There are many

There are many scientists that are in fact "creation believing" scientist and YES, they actually believe the Bible and use their knowledge that they have been blessed with to explain much of their findings in such things as ocean sediment, fossil records, astronomy and other areas that prove the earth is very young.

God has His people everywhere!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~


A truly liberated modern country! A very politically correct liberal hell hole. Guns are banned. Hate crime laws and other BS rule the countryside. Glad we seceded.

I am glad we are still more free than at least one country.

Ron Paul on his son Rand Paul:
"he does a lot of things similarly, but I think he does everything better. Than I have done over the years,"

He's dead

Well ok. But Darwin is dead.

Personally I never had a problem with evolution or the people that think the six days of creation are literal. Believe what you want, just respect the other person's right to believe what they will.

a ridiculous concept

People shouldn't "believe" whatever they want. Ron Paul's entire political philosophy is based on classical liberalism which is founded on REASON. This is why it was called the Enlightenment Era -- removing the shackles of superstition and myth regarding monarchies and religions controlling government.

There are thousands of scientists who everyday utilize evolution. How could you possibly suggest that your uninformed random opinion is somehow greater than a professional who studies it every day?!?

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Does it break your bones

1) What someone else believes neither brakes my bones nor picks my pocket.

2) Scientists used Newton's law of gravity for centuries and it was wrong, global warming is practically a religion and it is based on horribly flawed science and a fervent following.

3) My opinion is not uninformed and so called "professionals" litter the halls of congress preaching Keynes. If you want to bow down to Nobel Prize winners like Paul Krugman - go for it.

4) You contradict yourself. Ron Paul destroys so called professionals and political scientists with REASON.

worst comment

Didn't say anything about political scientists.

And as political activists, don't we care what people think?

Newtown was a genius. Calculus is not disproven. His theories are only evolved, not disproved.

Economics is not a science like biology etc. Anyway, I found this funny since I just said "best comment" to you in another other thread.

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Evolution and Creation are not

mutually exclusive.

Evolution and Creation are

Evolution and Creation are about as mutually exclusive as the weather and ghosts are.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Never have understood

Why people find it hard to believe God could have simply evolved us much like a game of SimEarth. I've read the Bible several times and all it says is that he created us; it never got into the details on how. *snerk* Luke 473:203 Holy Quantum Mechanics

Never Understood.....Really?

You'd better read it again!

It's right there in the first couple chapters of the Bible!

He created man out of the dust of the earth, and then He created woman from out of that man.

They were the beginning of all mankind.

What's so hard to understand?

Do you really think He was going to give all the details?

Do you really think you would understand if He did?

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

the moon emits its own light!

Genesis 1:14 - And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

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I believe that is what I said

Minus the condescending tone.

We do understand it, and the

We do understand it, and the truth is far more interesting and beautiful then the story ever could be.

But a question to you Mr. biblical scholar: your god created adam and eve, who had 3 kids, Cane, Able and Seth, 3 sons in all. What happened next? Nothing further is explained of this quite important, second generation of male only sons.

Hypothetical retort: The first daughter of Adam(and humanity) was simply not important enough to mention even once. And so Adam had unnamed daughters.

Question: Where does the third generation come from? Does the bible advocate incest?

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison


If you took some time to actually read God's Word, you would see that it says very clearly that they had sons and daughters in Genesis 5:4

Until God gave the Law on Mt. Sinai this was how the generations grew and was not incest.

God is the one who makes the rules!

As far as naming daughters, God only gives the names of those He wanted written down in His Word for His good reasons.

Many women and men are not named in the Bible.

God knows what He is doing, we do not know very much but that which He opens our understanding to.


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Religious people always give

Religious people always give god so many excuses.

"Well god did it"
"It's gods will"
"God works in mysterious ways"
"It's gods way"
"It's gods rule"

Fuck that.

Its fucking useless even trying to have a constructive discussion about religion ands its shortcomings. God gets a million fucking excuses.

Having sex with your brothers and sisters isn't incest until mt. Sinai?? How fucking mentally retarded are you?

Selling your daughter into slavery gets a mention but humanities first daughter and a "don't fuck your siblings" rule just not important enough? Do you not see the absolute ridiculousness of your arguments?

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Thank God for your posts

And don't forget, God can clear you to have sex with your own daughters as long as you are drunk and you think you're the last three people on Earth.

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If you think the bible suggest

that God was okay with what lot and his daughters did then you have the reading comprehension skills of a cockroach

I know there's a counter-argument against this too...

2 Peter 2:7 "But God also rescued Lot out of Sodom because he was a righteous man who was sick of the shameful immorality of the wicked people around him."

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