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When Ron Paul lost (some) moral authority

In the wake of Ken Cuccinelli's squeaker loss Tuesday the interwebs and local Virginia and DC political events are tortured by conflicts between Republicans, Libertarians, and Ron Paul and other libertarian Republicans.

For example, a former staff economist for Ron Paul's Congressional office, and an executive at Paul's Campaign for Liberty, not only defriended me on FaceBook, but banned me from the Virginia Campaign for Liberty group, for a tweet I made in reply to Ron Paul and for my posts defending Robert Sarvis against the Paul's and others. (My posts in the Virginia C4L group and those of other Sarvis supporters were being censored for weeks anyway.)

The tweet that got me banned was in response to Ron Paul's statement at a Ken Cuccinelli rally where he called all Sarvis supporters "insane," kind of a nasty and loose and sloppy charge from a medical doctor. (Did he intend to have them committed so they could not vote?)

He apparently thought we should bow to the Pauls because of their contributions. Uh huh. As we all know from Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard, lots of great people get a little nutty, abusive and full of themselves in their dotage. My tweet he got hissy about was this: "Ron Paul says voting for Sarvis is insane, which is a subject some would say he is an expert on." He thought that I was claiming that Ron Paul is insane.

He doesn't see it as a claim that Ron Paul's experience should make him wary of charging that (other) people are insane because they disagree with his position, since that is what happened to him his entire career. I don't think anyone in the Paul camp realized that's what they were saying, because they share the general GOP delusional mentality that not only do libertarian voters belong to them, but that we are their children whom they may abuse. (And did Dr. Paul never pay attention to his own fans - did he really think calling us names and telling us "No!" would make us follow along?)

Overall I think the Paul supporters behind Cuccinelli, with their propensity to parrot lies, betray exactly this type of (I hope temporary) rashness and lack of subtlety and intelligence. The Paul's wanted to centrally plan the liberty movement, and collectivize our libertarian eggs, and put them all in the Cuccinelli basket. It was a bad investment. The Libertarian spent less per vote than Cuccinelli did since all spending for Sarvis was $380000 and Ken spent $15 million. The GOP spent almost 45 times what the Libertarians did. But they got less than 7 times their vote. And the GOP didn't have to first spend money to collect 18,000 signatures to get on the ballot. So apparently Republican candidates aren't cost effective.

The result of Ken Cuccinelli acting as a spoiler to keep the LP from getting ballot status is that now Libertarians will have to concentrate their resources again next time on getting the 10% required by the GOP coauthored ballot access law in the next gubernatorial race and do it all over again. And Rand Paul doesn't have have a reliable governor to support his next race. And Ron Paul has lost his credibility with libertarians. It's bad timing for the Paul's, coming in the same week when Rand Paul faces a second wave of plagiarism charges

This campaign may be a kind of watershed moment, when Ron Paul lost his moral authority and dug a new hole for Rand Paul 2016.

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7% was obviously popular enough to cause the GOP heartburn for a candidate who supposedly was not well known enough to allow in the debates. Funny how Sarvis was dismissed until they realized how many votes he had.

I dismissed him

because he was not in line with my views.

I don't believe Sarvis was the reason for Cuccinelli's loss. The real reason is that the GOP did not fund him as well as the Dems funded his opponent. Sadly more money spent usually equals more voters.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

True. And did the Paul's...

...lobby the RNC to give him any money?

Perhaps that would have been more cost effective than lying about Sarvis and telling people they were insane.

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor



The article currently stands at -28. Someone telling their personal story of how they witnessed abuse of power is not worthy at dailypaul? Why - just because you dont like the headline???? SHAME.

Dont be a sheep. Search for truth and do not reject knowledge. All movements have growing pains. If there is block in the road, it is good to see it ahead of time to adjust accordingly.

There does seem to be an inner circle to this thing and it coincides with the republican party. I dont know who is flipping the switches, but it does seem things are becoming more centralized and less about ideas and individuality. Not good.

Shame? Or you just being foolish with your writing.

Keep this in mind, no one HAS to read everything on here. You should be less of a dumbass in writing if you want to inform.

logged on just to downvote

BJ, can I call you BJ? You have the nerve to come here to point a finger at Ron Paul suggesting he lost (some) moral authority? HUBRIS!!
And then you point fingers at the majority here saying, basically, we're a-hats?
I don't know what the equivelent is, and perhaps one of our wordsmiths here - I'm thinking someone like Mark Twain - will come up with a witty word for folk like you, but you remind me of a Trotsky-ite who, knowing how bad it would be to be known as such, created the whole 'neocon' illusion.
Take your trash talk to the Daily Kos! They'll LOVE you for it!!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Maybe you can give me one

Do you floss regularly?

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


Moral Authority

Moral authority is not possesed by Ron Paul. It is given to him by the millions of people who support his cause. If Ron Paul alienates certain groups by playing politics among the political parties, it is natural for some groups to withdraw their support - thereby reducing his "authority"

so moralty is a matter...

of straw poll voting. Like the Founders thought, according to Beck?

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor



No, it is a matter of each individual.


the quicker you learn that ---at the daily paul--- you must support ron paul 100%---never question his near saintliness--
and you'll be fine

doesn't it suck to get smacked with down votes for having your own opinion on some issues and differing with dr paul's statements or actions,,, while you agree 99% of the time

apparently he is 100% perfect,,, like having and keeping jesse Benton on the campaign,,, or the news letters,,,, which probably single handedly killed what could have been an almost unstoppable candidate

you're brainwashed too

like they wouldn't have made a mountain out of a molehole of something else on him. give me a break

having a different opinion is one thing

Slandering Ron Paul's good name is something else. Too bad you can't see the difference.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Ha ha ha

Look at all those downvotes you got. You proved your point!

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

your desperation and irrationality

are a fragrant chum, and my teeth are very sharp

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


I don't really know any of the details on this, but...

If Ron Paul really said you'd have to be "insane" to vote for Sarvis, that will really surprise me and not in a good way.

I've always known Dr. Paul to turn something bad into something good. In this case, I would have expected for him to only speak to what he considered Cuccinelli's positive aspects to be rather than speak negatively about the opposition. Even if he did, it always seemed like it was regarding the opposition's policies and opinions, not snide remarks about people's intelligence.

it was only reported and on TV

check youtube

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


My Reading Is That He Was Calling The Mileage Tax Itself Insane

Not the candidate or the voters:

"Anybody conceivably who would vote for someone who would endorse a mileage tax -- I mean that's insane."

It's admittedly vague, but he follows up the statement by suggesting that the revenue would just go to the general fund and by praising Cuccinelli's tax policy ("No new taxes"). That to me makes it clear he was talking about the policy.

"Bipartisan: both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your pocket."-Rothbard

Well that would be interesting if true...

But that isn't how the media spun it including the GOP media, and the Paul's should be savvy enough to see that a head of time.

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor



If Ron Paul is going to say that Sarvis endorsed a mileage tax, shouldnt he get his facts straight before he say it? No, what Ron Paul did was echo the republican party talking points created the previous 24 hours.

What Sarivs has said all along is that user fees are a superior way to fund the roads (especially than the general fund). Sarvis mentioned numerous types of user fees and mileage tax was just one. As VA has annual inspections for cars, it would not be difficult to implement.

But when someone like Ron Paul plays politics with this, like when democrats accuse republicans of wanting to dismantle social security - it muddies the whole pond.

Facts, Schmacts

My boy will invite me to a White House dinner! And make me chair of the Fed!

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor



The OP does have trouble with context.


D and C SP post #4; NOV 11, 2013.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in


Just four threads total in over 2 years of membership: one of them 5 days after the 2012 election advertizing a meeting of that party, the other three posted just recently, all towing the party line about Virginia and attacking Ron Paul.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

I'm busy...

I read DP sometimes; though I can't say I've seen much I couldn't find elsewhere.

Email me an alert if I really missed something.

I mainly only get excited by liars and intellectual dishonesty, hence I am here.

Think of me as an avenging sprite who sends you to your doom when you beat kids and defraud widows.

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


It has long been annoying(and worse) that these glaringly

obvious operatives of those that have destroyed LIBERTY and are deadly serious about keeping it that way are allowed to run roughshod through the DP.

I am afraid I know very well why that has long been the case.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

"The party line"?

My thoughts are all original to me. I think I am writing about this way more than anyone in "the party." And your vacuous and hissy responses sure tell a tale.

Bit dog barks first.

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


The attitude expressed by the OP...

...only reinforces my utter contempt for that party. Those people are aiming to F- things up, whether by malice or stupidity (mostly stupidity I expect). Ron Paul was absolutely correct in his characterization of Sarvis voters, owes members of that party absolutely nothing, and (while it would be unwise politically), nothing would please me more than for him to post a video telling you all to go F- yourselves.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

In digging your hole deeper...

..and doubling down on your lies and tactical errors that helped you lose, you may be an asset to the LP.

Bruce Majors, Libertarian for Mayor


i feel sorry Paul ever had to run with that party in the first

place. It really dug a hole for him. Even the best of us learn these things the hard way. I know I did.

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