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Where Is The All Powerful Police State U.S.A. When The Typhoon Victims Need Help?

Where is the multitrillion dollar, policeman apparatus, of the world when you need it?
How about NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization that's always at the ready to 'intervene'?
When it's a bombing mission, they send billions, but when it's life saving they just 'pledge' millions.
I wonder if Michelle Obama is "proud of America" now?
Why didn't the all-knowing, all-seeing, NSA tip us off on where we needed to go and what we needed to do in the aftermath of the biggest storm to ever hit land anywhere in the world?
What?
There's no money in helping the little brown people of the Philippines?
They only have a couple of C-130's that can evacuate a few hundred out of the thousands of people desperate and dying in the storm ravaged, country.
I guess America is only good at blowing countries up, with taxpayer funded bombs and missiles.
I guess the politically connected, campaign bundling, private corporations, don't see any way to skim taxpayer money off of relief efforts over there!
I guess nobody lobbied Barack Obama to get on board with a good photo-op for the people to see.

2 Planes, 3,000 People: Misery in Typhoon-Hit City
TACLOBAN, Philippines November 11, 2013 (AP)
When two Philippine Air Force C-130s arrived at the typhoon-wrecked airport here just after dawn Tuesday, more than 3,000 people who had camped out hoping to escape the devastation surged onto the tarmac past a broken iron fence. Only a few hundred made it aboard; the rest were left in a shattered, rain-lashed city short of food and water and littered with uncounted bodies.

Just a dozen soldiers and several police held the crowd back. Mothers raised their babies high above their heads in the rain, in hopes of being prioritized. One woman in her 30s lay on a stretcher, shaking uncontrollably.

"I was pleading with the soldiers. I was kneeling and begging because I have diabetes," said Helen Cordial, whose house was destroyed in the storm. "Do they want me to die in this airport? They are stone-hearted."

"We need help. Nothing is happening," said Aristone Balute, an 81-year-old who also didn't get a flight. "We haven't eaten since yesterday afternoon." Her clothes were soaked from the rain, and tears streamed down her face.
http://www.timescall.com/top-stories/ci_24497983/typhoon-hit...

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It's not the government's job

Help is absolutely on the way to the Philippines and I'm sure we are going to see massive contributions coming from the American people http://emergencies.crs.org/typhoon-haiyan-help-philippines-s...

Hey Cuda....

Is your email current with DP? I sent you a message yesterday. I updated my email here before I sent it, so I just want to make sure you got it.

Thanks.

My email is the same

I didn't get a DP message.

tazering 95 year old men and

tazering 95 year old men and revenue collecting, sicking dogs on teenagers in Atlantic City......you know priorities

Be Your Own Media!!!

Where is it? Too busy wasting $13 BILLION on a new aircraft

carrier named after a failed POTUS:

"We're broke!" Except for a $13 BILLION Nuke-powered AirCraft Carrier: USS Gerald Ford, THE Most Expensive Warship Ever Built!

Setting aside the 'Constitutional legitimacy' of maintaining a Navy, apropos of its eponymous sake, guess it too will be a failure, or a coverup artist like Gerald, eh? LOL...er.. .o?

Behold, "the most expensive warship ever built"! The Titanic of Naval warfare; hope it works better than oBUSHmaScare:

Time-Lapse Video: Building a Navy Aircraft Carrier

http://youtu.be/NcBc_0Ve75w
WSJDigitalNetwork
Published on Nov 9, 2013

Watch a time-lapse video that shows the U.S. Navy's newest aircraft carrier, the PCU Gerald Ford, under construction. It is the first ship of the next-generation class of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Courtesy: U.S. Navy

Costly ‘technological marvel’: US Navy christens new class $13bn aircraft carrier

Published time: November 10, 2013 17:57
Edited time: November 11, 2013 10:21


CVN 78 (Gerald R Ford) at the shipyard during the initial filling of the drydock. (Photo from Wikipedia.org

The US Navy has christened the first of a new class of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, the 13-billion-dollar USS Gerald R. Ford. The ship, hailed as the most technologically advanced ever built, is expected to join the fleet in 2016.

The ship is the Navy's first carrier designed in more than 40 years. The Ford-class aircraft carriers will replace current Nimitz class that was launched in 1972. The Ford is projected to stay in service until 2057.

The ship, named after US President Gerald Ford, was christened at the ceremony at Huntington Ingalls Newport News Shipbuilding in Newport News, Va. on Saturday. The new aircraft carrier is planned to replace the USS Enterprise (CVN-65).

H/T: InfoWars.com

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Christening the USS Gerald Ford: inside the most advanced, most expensive warship ever built
Is the $13 billion price tag worth it?

By Matt Stroud on November 12, 2013 09:31 am Email @ssttrroouudd

[LOL: gotta love the oddball juxtaposition; who knew that a $13 BILLION nuclear-powered aircraft carrier would have its prop bolts tightened by a manual torque-wrench, just like the one in your own garage...okay, so albeit: much larger]

This weekend, the United States Navy christened what many claim is its greatest engineering achievement: the USS Gerald Ford supercarrier, the first in a completely new line of warships called the Ford class.

The ship, seated in a huge dock on the James River near the southern district of Newport News, Virginia, is the most technologically advanced, the most expensive, and one of the largest warships ever built. That's according to the Navy, but there's not much reason to doubt the assertions. The ship is huge. Rising out of the ocean to the height of a large office complex and stretching out toward the horizon as far as a couple football fields, it’s able to house a town’s population of more than 4,500 people, and, when it’s finally commissioned for duty on the high seas in 2016, it will weigh an astonishing 90,000 tons.

What’s more, the USS Gerald Ford — identified by its hull number, CVN 78, and known conversationally as "the Ford" — is also outfitted with electromagnetic catapults designed to shoot fighter jets into the sky (these had previously needed pneumatic systems; Ford-class carriers offered all-new technology), and the most advanced radar system ever deployed by the US military.

America christens $13billion aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford capable of launching 220 airstrikes a day

+ USS Gerald R. Ford will cost $13Billion when finished
+ Carrier will be equipped to launch 220 airstrikes per day
+ Ship holds 4,000 sailors and marines and is virtually invisible to enemy radar
+ Project faces criticism after becoming beset by delays and cost overruns
+ Navy plans to buy another three carriers, at a cost of $43 billion

By Daily Mail Reporter, Ryan Gorman and Associated Press Reporter

PUBLISHED: 12:38 EST, 9 November 2013
UPDATED: 03:02 EST, 11 November 2013

The US Navy today christened the USS Gerald Ford, costliest and most deadly aircraft carrier ever built.

The $13billion warship is the first in the Navy's newest generation of aircraft carriers. It was launched in a grand ceremony Saturday from the Newport News, VA., naval yard.

The Ford is expected to stay commissioned for five decades and will enter the fleet in 2016.

The giant 1,106-foot USS Gerald R. Ford is be able to launch 220 airstrikes per day from its two runways, hold 4,000 sailors and marines while appearing virtually invisible to enemy radar.


State-of-the-art: This graphic illustrates the cutting edge technology in the Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

What would be most helpful?

It's hard to know. I guess sending money to a trusted organization would be the best way, because sending goods is a slow process. I'm sure there are immense infrastructure and organization problems.

This article points out that our aid often gets abused.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/typhoon...

But I wouldn't give a dime to the UN or Red Cross. Someone that told me about their work in NY after Sandy said that the Red Cross did very little.

The Marines are being sent to the Philippines to help. I'm not sure that this is the proper use of the military, but it seems like a nice gesture.

What ideas do you have?

Not in response to any particular post

I just want to clarify...

I'm putting this thread up as a protest against a government that pretends to be "exceptional" in all things.

The contrast is stunning.

USG will go to hell and back to destroy countries just to enrich the corporations that control it.
But when it comes to the most obvious call of duty, it fumbles and bumbles and peters out.

I don't believe we owe the world. And in most cases it's none of our affair to help as a government. Private organizations, Yes.

Understand your intent

was just adding supplemental thought based on past experience.

We do have a mixed up agenda as a leader of the free world, no doubt.

Given a choice of where we would prefer our tax dollars going, making ward or helping those in need, most would choose the latter.

But the world is lending a helping hand I see in the Philippines, slow as it may be in response. Logistically, it isn't easy. Even a couple corporations and the NFL have stepped up.

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

the only way..

forward is peace.

War is draining us as human beings. Its eating away at the fabric that makes us great. Nothing will change for the better until American wars end.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Government and Peace are diametrically opposed

Government has a monopoly on force and force is the only language it understands.

Peace begins in your mind, then spreads through peaceful parenting and finally teaching to as many people as possible the non-aggression principle.

Once you can show how the market can take care of the needs of the individual instead of government then you will begin to achieve piece.

It won't be perfect. Nothing is. But the peaceful evolution is an unfortunately slow process.

But while involuntary govts. still exist you will never have peace. Never.

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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

I believe these people will be much better off . . .

without any help from the American military--

but I wonder how much guilt I bear for being an American--

with a military that does what the American military does--

and an administration that is so corrupt--

the fact is that it has been corrupt for a long time, but people are really venting at the Obamas--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

"Dedication to duty..." - Bob Hope... resisting Jayne Mansfeild


In time of peace, Bob Hope mission sends aid & comfort to Korea, Japan & Guam, 1957. 2 minute film reel.

Bob Hope debriefed after his USO show mission, Christmas 1957. Jayne Mansfield, Peter Sellers, Jerry Calogna, Erin O'Brien, Les Brown, Hedda Hopper, MATS, USAF, et al (USA National Archives).

Peter Sellers (as Change) had no comment.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

rest of C-130s

are busy moving the drugs from Afgan lands so they cannot reverted to where it really matters...

Lack of compassion by libertarians

to expand on what ATruePatriot said below:

3 1/2 years ago when the Haiti earthquake hit, I penned an article that appealed to those on DP to help by donating. I didn't have any connections to Haiti, but I did receive backlash at the time from Michael Nystrom because someone had put it on the front page (they didn't need his permission, but it was not acceptable to Mr. Nystrom). I stood up for what I wrote and the article was removed from the front page.

I then noticed on Lew Rockwell's site that not one person had written anything about "digging deep" and helping. So I wrote the following article in January of 2010 just after the earthquake hit Haiti. Are Libertarians Compassionate? http://bit.ly/HPqMX6

Today I notice the same lack of compassion from Lew Rockwell's site and I did not dare write another article for Mr. Nystrom's site (for fear of offending him I guess, and I have given $500 to Daily Paul since as I believe in the message of Liberty this site represents overall). But there is a lack of compassion among some Libertarian groups and it is something I will be addressing in my book, "We the Serfs!"

A little further research I saw no story on Reason.com about the Super Typhoon that has killed over 1000 people, but two stories on 1 to 8 people dying from various bomb blasts in Damascus and Chinese Communist headquarters.

I then went to the Cato.org site. You guessed it. Not one article on the Philippine disaster since it began.

Libertarian: "a person who believes that people should be allowed to do and say what they want without any interference from the government."

How does me wanting to help those in need, via my own free will, not fall into being a Libertarian? I didn't ask government for help or to get involved. I asked humans to help humans. But from what I see, it's just not important enough an issue for most Libertarian group thought organizations.

Turns out I do have a connection to the Philippines as my daughter lives there. What she witnessed, while not being in the path of the hurricane, but affected by it, was horrific. I am ready to pen another article expanding on the above. If you have input, negative or positive, I would like to hear it. TIA

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

Do not judge all libertarians

I frequently donate groceries and other volunteer service in my local community. Charity begins at home, but that certainly doesn't mean that it can't go beyond.

If we ever want to replace govt. with the market, then charity can be a stepping stone in that process.

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Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it. ~Thomas Paine

freeyourmind

I did not say I judged all libertarians the same, but that was just the title and perhaps I should have used a question mark.

I wrote the following using the word "some:" "there is a lack of compassion among some Libertarian groups."

I've been writing long enough to be careful with what I say for this reason.

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

Doug I disagree with you

There is more compassion in people than you know. At this very moment, nameless and selfless people not affiliated with any government agency or large non profit are working desperately to help. I have the unique privilege of getting to know some of them during Katrina, Fukashima, Dexter Tornado, Oklahoma, etc.... They are there and believe me , they care!

What's so very special about these dear people that I hold in the highest regards and will always look up to them is for one simple reason. They sacrifice and do this anonymously. In the end they don't want to be known as the Libertarian, the Christian, the Muslim, the Government relief worker , United Way or any other label you can place on them.

They are simply human and know it's the right thing to do......
Failing to realize this does your book a disservice and will distort what's real in this world.

;-)

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

dexter...

Notwithstanding your personal efforts, it would help if you quote me as to what you disagree with. I only had one person click on the link I had in the article and don't know if you read it or not. I have to assume you are disagreeing with the fact that I called out most of the big Libertarian groups and their lack of publicly showing any compassion whatsoever in two incidents now, the Haiti earthquake and the Philippines Super Typhoon.

This calling out has to be separated from what individuals do, whether Libertarian or not, for these causes. I wrote an article after the Haiti event 3 1/2 years ago and LibertyPoet posted it on the front page of DP. It received some good response until Michael Nystrom decided to chime in about how it doesn't belong on the front page. Fair enough, but I wanted to understand why.

It was through further research that I came to the conclusion that Libertarians aren't compassionate. In particular, those who are in influential places in writing about it (Lew Rockwell crowd, and now Reason and CATO), NOT individuals.

Looking at it from Reason's articles, they thought it ok to write about one person dying in China and 8 in another country from bombings, but why not a tyhpoon that kills 1000's? What I am trying to decipher in why these Libertarian sites don't mention these disasters. Are they so involved with their hate of government and promotion of self (individual) that they have lost compassion for their fellow man. If we had a full time Libertarian new channel, would they report on these disasters? The answer would be no if Lew Rockwell, Reason or CATO ran it.

How is my understanding of their lack of writing about these tragedies, from any point of view, a "disservice and distortion of what's real in this world?"

I am fully aware of compassion of many groups. This isn't what I was addressing and the conclusions of my book help build that compassion for mankind even stronger. So please don't judge me on this one aspect of trying to get other's points of views on this as I clearly see a documented pattern.

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

I know that Dexter organized help for Fukushima--

I don't remember what happened, but I'm sorry--

I'm sorry that you felt turned away, and I'm sorry about your daughter; I am glad she is all right--

it's overwhelming--

just recently family members of mine were involved in helping clean up from the flood in Texas--

they spent hours, after work, before work, etc.--

going to help--

and now this; it just doesn't ever end--

I think Libertarians can be everything on the spectrum--

good grief, if you read this, Mark, you put "I'm Sorry" up again--

and I am saying "sorry"--

there has to be a limit--

I won't apologize anymore; I just want you to know that I care--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Yep, Dex is a good guy

A shining example of Compassion towards fellow man. A human helping humans.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I was just the catalyst

It was everyone here that made the difference.

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

And humble also

You, Sir, were the initiator and salesman who earned the results of success in the venture of compassion. Please accept the credit you deserve man, you earned it. I have to ask, are you a minister like myself?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I'm just a guy

I've made a lot of mistakes in life and still trying to find answers like all of us.
How does one live to there true potential ? I don't know but time is short and try we must...

Life is good!

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Having found myself with no party...

Having found myself with no party to fully support in total confidence of principles, I will support your first amendment rights even if I am excommunicated for it.

I would like to hear more my friend and if it is not welcome here I have a new site that fits the bill and would be honored to publish and support your writing as you see fit.

In the spirit of true Libertarianism there should be no argument about questioning true characteristics and actions of everything including self realization of ones own party.

Self reflection is the greatest of virtues and the only path to improvement. There is no place for righteousness when it is based on hypocrisy as true action and result.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Thanks for the replies

ATruePatriot, yes, hard to be all of what one individual wants for a party, if not impossible. I just see a lack of overall caring. It's like they are so caught up in the principal of self that caring for others is just not part of the agenda.

1988 vote, saw your comment on the other Philippine thread. Thanks so much. Yes, we can care and have free will to do so.

Author of Buy Gold and Silver Safely
Next book: Illusions of Wealth - due out soon
Also writing book We the Serfs!

Unfortunately

We are right back to human nature and the deep set trait of self-preservation. It is always an honor to meet someone who is willing to sacrifice self to help others. This is a doctrine I have lived by for many years now and has always come back to me ten fold. Those that do not always find themselves very lonely in the final stages of life. Time proven fact.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

there is no party--

but I believe many on DP are very generous--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I agree there are a few

Thing is, I am trying to refrain from labeling a particular group like the DP. Yes there are a few that will give of themselves without wanting something in return that might personally benefit themselves. But in society as a whole, these kind of folks are truly far and few in between.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The US isn't THAT kind of world policeman.

Were not Officer Friendly, or helpful.

Were the militant SWAT kind of world policeman.

We don't do kind and pleasant things.... but if you want us to come shoot the victims (so they stop their annoying asking for aid) we can certainly accommodate. We're good at shooting peasants (especially women and children) in small countries. Then we usually say we are "fighting for our freedom." Don't question it.

Maybe we could send a few drones in? Er... not the kind that survey the situation. That kind isn't any fun and doesn't make so much money for all those defense contractors.

Its not part of the war machines job description

Natural disasters fall under the world bank/IMF crime syndicate. Once the disaster loan documents are signed, lots of fiat money and multi-national corps will invade the Philippine shores to "help" them for many years to come.