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Cops Encounter Open Carriers -video-

This video is an excellent illustration of what were all are up against. I.E. cops, freedom, bad guys, false flags, wars, i.e. The entire 2A thing in a nutshell.

Who's right? Who's wrong?

A lot of that question comes out of one's perception. Please watch and think of this as another 'learning tool' of how to deal with this stuff and then put in your two cents. 17 min.

Thanks!

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I live in a small city in

I live in a small city in Nevada where seeing someone walk around with a sidearm in public is not at all uncommon. It's not only legal, but part of the societal norm. The key word here is SIDEARM. I'm sorry, but nowhere in society is it within societal norms to be carrying a longarm over your shoulder down main street. While I think the "shoot you in the head" comment and the asking for ID was unnecessary, the point the cop was making was a valid one. As someone that open carries himself, I can tell you right now that if I saw two young men walk into the gas station, post office, or what have you, with rifles on their shoulders, I'm sorry, my hand is immediately going to my holstered weapon until I can determine what the hell their intentions are.

Walking around town with a holstered weapon is one thing. Casually walking around with a rifle down main street is very much another. It is unreasonable human behavior, I'm sorry, and people have every reason to find it alarming. Under the circumstances, especially given the trigger happy nature of police these days, I think they conducted themselves with relative composure. Go ahead and down vote me but these boys need to find a more mature way to make a statement. Doing it this way's gonna get them and possibly others killed for no damn good reason at all.

It STILL comes down to 911

IMO this cops reactions stem from STILL not understanding that 911 was an inside job.

Because he has not been able to grasp THAT, he is not been able to splice ALL THE OTHER FALSE FLAGS taking place together. THUS, his actions speak accordingly.

If you don't believe in the 'inside job theroy,' then you gotta believe in all the 'crazy lone nut job theroies' out there and then you act accordingly to those beliefs.

THUS, this is THE REASON why we are building a POLICE STATE AND THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE MUST LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT 911.

TO LEARN THE BIG PICTURE, YOU'VE FIRST GOT TO LEARN 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

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duplicate post -erased-

Because: Some animals are more equal than other animals. -Animal Farm-

What the? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MTIwY3_-ks

Ugh.... I can't stand

Ugh.... I can't stand authoritative self-aggrandized pricks with shiny badges like that "officer" in the video. What in these peoples brains make them believe that they have ANY right to tell another human being how to live when they themselves walk around pointing weapons at people, coercing, killing and threatening people?? What a self-righteous little pig.

"I'm a cop and I walk around with a gun 24/7" But you don't get a gun pointed at your head for it, do you??

He says THEY are destroying the 2nd amendment while him and his goons surround these 2 guys with guns drawn.... What world do these fools live in!?

When will they realize that what they stand for is what people don't like about them? And somehow, someway they get a pass in our society and have more rights than us. Just sickening...

Can a Cop threaten to kill you for exercising any other right?

Detain you, point a gun at your head, and threaten to "blow your head off"?

No?

What about while you're wielding a 2ton+ potential killing machine, aka a motor vehicle? You know, just exercising your right to drive down the road (or is that a privilege? pshh).

After all, you could be a threat.
How does he know you're not a threat?
That is the reasoning for NSA spying, and Nazi concentration camps... There is no end to the "means justify the ends" approach...

If a stranger aggressively approaches you (or any law-abiding citizen) while you're simply exercising any one of your constitutional natural rights, and draws a gun on you while threatening to shoot or have one of his partners shoot you "in the head" if you do not comply with his demands... are you NOT in your Natural and Constitutional RIGHT to EXERCISE your SOVEREIGN RIGHT to SELF-DEFENSE???!!!

Someone here said that the cops are only using common sense, and someone else thought they did a good job.

How is it common sense to approach, surround, and draw a gun on a pair of strange men with bigger guns?!!
Isn't that escalating the situation, big-time? how about a friendly convo between two individuals equal under the law?!!!

Or are we supposed to believe that a few 'certain people' in 'certain uniforms' with 'certain lights' on 'certain cars' are completely immune from the LAW and may operate with impunity in any endeavor they pursue, including threats and even murder????!!!!!
THAT is the ultimate definition of tyranny!!!!!

It's a freakin joke already, how much WE the people CANNOT STAND & DO NOT NEED the FUCKING POLICE Anymore.... EVER!!!!

I'm sorry but the time is long since passed... We need a real strong resistance NOW!!!!!

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

When a man with a gun threatens to "shoot you in the head"...

Shouldn't you protect yourself?
When a man threatens to shove you and your family into a boxcar...
Shouldn't you protect yourself?

Yes, exactly!

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PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Why are people saying "Exercising Second Amendment rights"?

The Constitution does not give a free man any rights. The right to self-defense is a natural right. The Constitution restricts the government from violating the rights that a free man already has. And the purpose of the Second Amendment is to restrict the government from infringing upon a self-determined and self-governed free agent's right to self-defense.

Saying "Exercising Second Amendment rights" implies that a right is derived from the Second Amendment. Nowhere in the Second Amendment is it written that a man is given a right. And those who repeat this fallacy are missing the point. The Second Amendment restricts the government from exercising its intrinsic attribute, which is coercive aggression.

I live in a place where guns

I live in a place where guns are common daily sites. You go to the bank the grocery store the school and you see people armed with shotguns or rifles or just hand guns. No one gives a damn. If some dude were to try and go on a rampage he would get shot so damnquick. So in summary, the USA has had its balls cut off and now you have a bunch of pansies running around scared shitless of the simplest crap. For fucking sake people learn to defwnd yoursleves. I bought ny woman a gun and told her you kill any fucker that comes after you. Why doesnt every man do that for their woman.

When i lived in CO, I lived

When i lived in CO, I lived in an apartment complex and would walk to my car to go clay shooting with my shotgun slung on my shoulder. People would look at me with an approving look for the most part- probably glad that there are good people with weapons around.

Here in UT some guy took an AR-15 into Walmart. The media tried to make a huge deal of of it but in reality nobody even called the cops.

There are liberals that are scared of guns but the media portrayal of America is often much different than the street level reality of this country.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Ummmm...Maybe Because...

...we don't all live in Paraguay, like yourself.
To equate the realities there with the realities that exist in the USA, especially after recent highly publicized public shootings is like talking apples to oranges.
You still reside in Paraguay...yes?

And as a gun-owner, if I saw two guys walking down the street, at a distance from each other, OBVIOUSLY attempting to look as though they are not TOGETHER????...I'd consider their behavior suspect.

Then again.....I'm from NY...and THAT is another story in itself.

These guys are just plain STUPID.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Very Simple

I am all for the right to open carry, however I choose to carry concealed and that is my choice.

But, if I see some guys who I don't know, coming down my neighborhood street carrying a rifle or other firearm...you better damn well know that they are going to have my 308 sights on them until I know who they are or what they are up to. I won't bother calling the cops first, I will exercise my right to defend my home and family first. Why? Because I don't know who in the hell you are or what you are up to.

Sorry folks, this isn't the country it used to be and I am not as trusting as I used to be. Good for you if you want to prove a point and go out and open carry!

You won't call the cops,..Cop.

In my state, putting somebody in "308 sights" is a felony. Of course, you're a cop, and cops lie, perjure, beat scrawny bartenders and skaters, the crippled, elderly, senile and weak. You guys murder children by the half dozen, fire 16 rounds into the sleeping resident of the wrong house, plant drugs, because they are Mexican, rape, kick pregnant women in the stomach, intentionally drive your cruisers over little kids and strut around like the predatory pigs that you scum are.

Let me be perfectly clear.

You're an unprincipled PIG on a team of murderous thugs, whose terms of employment require you to do anything you're told and any suggestion that you respect the Constitutional rights of other Americans is a complete lie.

Normally I try to avoid ad hominem attacks on the person, but the truth is, over the last 50 years I've found that cops, all cops, are the lowest, worst kind of creature ever, anywhere.

Me? No convictions. Perfectly clean record including the last six years driving.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Wow

Sorry to disturb your accusation, but I am not a cop, nor would I want to be one! Also, the sights comment was meant as a flippant remark.

I will probably get down voted

but I think the cop is right. Especially from someone who has a CCW which I would love to have in this people's republic of California. It would be a dream. The same open carry people in California got our last right taken away with a stroke of a pen from Jerry Brown. The reason being, people are stupid and brainwashed and you will not change their minds by being antagonistic. The phones would ring off the hook when someone was open carrying. I saw this on my own town police blotter in my town just days before Jerry Brown signed the bill. He walked into Albertson's with a weapon on his hip. I understood what he was protesting but the average dumbass is reactive. Hell I see once a week when people are calling the cops about kids with airsoft riffles. It is just the time we are in, the liberal media has the upper hand when it comes to the 2nd amendment. We will not win with these types of public demonstrations.

I would have respected the "detainee" more if he had more to say about educating the public and telling the cop that it is their responsibility to educate the public when they get calls about someone carrying a gun. I hope that dispatchers are trained to inform the people that it is legal to open carry in said state.

The cop is correct when he says they are hurting US. This will be the next state to outlaw open carry. Mind you this sounds like a state where they allow CCW so I cannot see the wisdom of approaching it this way. If you want to educate people then set up a booth somewhere, open carry and hand out literature.

I look at Arizona, when I went to college there it was open carry. At the time you were required to have part of your holster or firearm visible. As times changed and the police got sick of the stupid public calling the cops every time they saw a firearm, AZ changed the law where you are required to conceal. And mind you, you don't even need a permit to do so being a resident of AZ. I hear now the biggest protest of the gun laws in AZ are that they protest business establishments that post a no firearms placard such as in bars and private property. If I could only be so lucky living here in the great statist of California.

Just be smart. It serves no purpose walking down the street with a firearm when the only people you are going to have contact with are the police who rightfully have to respond to calls of people with a gun. What do you think, the cops are going to call the informant and tell them all is well and it was a legal open carry situation? Doubt it. Enough of these videos from this state and I am sure the police departments are going to be petitioning the state legislature to take away open carry.

I understand where people are coming from. They broke no law but as times goes on it will be illegal if it continues. FFS you have a CCW which I would prefer over any open carry law!!!!

Let me see if I understand you.

In order to protect our right to open carry, we must stop open carrying. Does that make sense? What good is a right that we aren't able to exercise?

Some balance needed

I live in VA and open carry while out hiking in bear country and haven't had any problems. I think we have to be a bit mindful of where we are - I wouldn't do it in the city/burbs in broad daylight or you will attract attention. Out walking the dog at dusk? Sure. The best way to make it more acceptable is to gradually incorporate it into daily life. Stunts like this don't help.

Huh?

The Constitution of Wisconsin protects the right to bear arms in Article 1, Section 25 - "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose."

http://docs.legis.wi.gov/constitution/wi/I/25

In Wisconsin open carry of loaded handguns and long guns is permitted without a license, therefore they were well within their rights to do so unless they were in taxpayer-owned buildings or within school zones.

What you seem to be saying here is... those who lawfully open carry are going to prevent open carry in the future if they continue to lawfully open carry.

Disagree...

First, I did down vote you. I didn't do it out of anger or spite, I just disagree.

"It serves no purpose walking down the street with a firearm when the only people you are going to have contact with are the police who rightfully have to respond to calls of people with a gun."

If everyone with a firearm started open carrying tomorrow one of two things would happen; Either the public / police would eventually accept the fact that guns don't randomly kill people or they would begin to try to make open carrying illegal. Either way I'd prefer the fight be in the open as opposed to pretending we don't have the right while we stroke it in a dark corner... metaphorically speaking.

All of this pussy footing around while the country destroys itself is starting to get to me.

If you can't practically do it then it is no right at all.

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

I up voted you

because you have a valid point in a perfect world. My point is that we are already on the backside of a slippery slope. If they want to do this then organize a couple dozen people in a demonstration. Although it is not the open carrier's fault that people freak out in this day and age it is a matter of fact. With a few dozen people doing it the police would have no other alternative than tell the callers after a some calls that it is perfectly legal within their rights.

I have not read the Art of War but I am sure there is probably something in that book that addresses such things.

Peace to you.

In a "Perfect World"...

...makes a valid point in this "discussion".
It has been suggested that the police dispatchers "educate" the public, or persons dialing 911 as to the "legality" of these two individuals...THAT is entirely a foolhardy consideration.

People don't call 911 to get the "Discovery Channel" (LOL!)
And any and all calls of a nature of this sort would have to be addressed and investigated by LEO.

Common sense always trumps "ideology".
I wonder how many "idealogues" who rail on and on about 2nd Amendment would actually do the same as these two foolhardy individuals??? Talk is cheap...
...and I wonder how many of them actually vote or are involved in any sort of liberty-activity?

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

two reasons why the cop

thinks anyone with a gun is a bad guy.

The cops are a gang so yes anyone with a gun is the bad guy.
They not here to protect and serve
secondly,
the cop knows HIS own tendencies, so there you go.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

I agree with you

The people I know that are vehemently opposed to gun ownership are that way because they only see firearms as a means to kill someone. I see firearms from many different angles (collectibles, target shooting, hunting, personal defense...) but not as a means to kill someone in a rage.

You'd probably be interested

You'd probably be interested in these cases. The first one involves a guy open carrying in a park in Sugar Hill, GA...I think that's in Gwinnett County.

http://lastresistance.com/3564/u-s-district-judge-open-carry...

http://lastresistance.com/3593/left-coast-judge-open-carryin...

This cop admitted

that their policy is to treat every citizen as a potential target.He said "I'm going to treat everyone with a gun as a bad guy".......My first question would be "what happened to presumed innocent til proven guilty?"No crime was committed here,but still the cop wants to treat him as a bad guy......WTF???

one of the other things that

one of the other things that bewilders me is that most government officials feel entitled immunity to that same scrutinisation?

As the governing body who is SUPPOSE to be impartial, who are SUPPOSE to be a last resort to situations where two parties on their own cannot resolve.......they are SUPPOSE to be made up of folks who DONT automaticaly think "I'm going to treat everyone with a gun as a bad guy".......in that situation you are no more a governing body but a third party in that very situation, you will either take sides or dominate.....they must deal in what is just and fair , where BOTH original partis can agree with in their SUPPOSED to be dominant role as diplomat

anyways, ......

The

officer's reasoning is that we should just be happy with the way things are hide our guns and accept the loss of rights because we don't want to make anyone mad and accelerate the losses. Nonsense! I don't want my rights to just fade away while I pretend that they still exist. This cop is trying to do one thing and that is to get them to stop so he doesn't have to deal with it. I would file a complaint for the multiple instances of being threatened with execution. I find that egregious.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Agree 100%

Very well said

Well

I have 2 cousins who are cops in California, one has over 25 yrs. in a So. Cal city, and the other is in a small town in Northern Cal. I grew up with them, know them as family, and know them as policemen. I have been on ride alongs with them, heard their most "scary life threatening experiences as a cop", and know their political and Constitutional views. I have heard their stories of everything that society throws at them and how they have to deal with it.

So, given that, it is not easy being a cop, let alone being a good cop! In viewing the above video you can take sides if you want, or you can understand the positions taken by both sides. In my view, it is a tough call. The policemen don't know what the 2 open carrying guys are up to, can you blame them? Have you ever been shot at suddenly by someone carrying a gun? My cousin has, it is no fun, and the situation was not expected at all by my cousin. You learn to be careful and cautious of everyone, or risk being killed. I think the cop doing the talking in this video was doing what he had to do, and actually was showing a great deal of respect and understanding to the 2 carrying.

The 2 guys open carrying, well that is their right and I agree with that as well. But, it is not a common sight seeing someone open carrying and what the hell do you expect some "citizen" to think seeing you walking down the street with a rifle.

If I see somebody walking down my neighborhood street carrying a rifle, and it is legal to open carry where I live, you better believe I am going for my rifle and keep an eye on him! I don't know who he is or what he is up to, but I will sure as hell be ready if he is up to something. The problem is, there are too many nut jobs that are up to something, so again, what the hell do you expect walking down the street carrying a rifle?

There is some common sense needed in this whole "debate" to open carry to prove a point.

I see cops with open carry every day. And they scare me especial

if one get behind me or wants to engage in a conversation. I view them as highway men hiding along the roadways lying in wait to extort whatever resources they can get away with.

In this video one cop has their gun drawn the other threatens to shoot him in the head, The cop stats how exercising rights is a threat to keeping those rights. The cops are scared, clearly. The citizens are detained at gunpoint and threatened with death for exercising their rights. Every citizen are considered a threat. It's clearly cops against the pubic perspective.

I have also been around bikers, hillbillies and hunters and that don't scare me at all. Why? because they usually respect other people. Gang-bangers and police not thats a different story.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.