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VIDEO: "Give Me Your Sandwich" Great Explanation of ObamaCare


http://youtu.be/rEM4NKXK-iA

Dinesh D'Souza & Michael Shermer in debate at Oregon State University. Questions from the student body regarding Universal Health Care / ObamaCare. The answers were quite well presented and the student body seemed to agree.

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The argument of "The Public Good"...

...is bogus. Pseudo conservatives allways argue that taxation for military spending is different because it's to benefit everyone. Leaving aside the merits of that assertion, let us keep in mind that anyone can claim X,Y or Z are for the public good and therefore everybody has to pay for it. Government welfare? It prevents crime therefore it is the public good. Free higher education? Certainly and educated public is a benefit for the public...etc, etc, etc...

Everybody has his own idea of what is for the public good...and should be free to spend his own money, time and resources on his public project.

As for national defense, an army designed to defend the borders is way cheaper than an army designed for "full spectrum dominance."

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” William Pitt

Now on C-Span

The government IT experts hope that the information you give to Healthcare.gov is secure. They actually employed hackers, who found 7-10 areas where the website could be hacked and your personal information accessed.

http://www.c-span.org/

Millions of dollars have been spent, with 3 1/2 years to execute and not one of these witnesses has a clue as to why the roll out was such a disaster. If it were up to me, I'd fire everyone of them.

As a software engineer

I'd be looking for criminal charges. There really is no reason the project should have gone THIS badly.

Good idea.

After the criminal trial, haul them into civil court and attempt to get some of our money back.

Important Note

So many people make this wrong assumption: That EVEN IF they ignore the absolute truth that criminal act of coercion is being used (a method of Satan), they frequently project their own supposed benevolent intentions on the person with the gun.

They naively or stupidly believe that the person with the gun really wants to help the hungry, suffering person.

When in REALITY, very few (almost to the point of "IF ANY") high-level politicians have good intent. Most are ravenous wolves who look and talk like sheep. Most if not all are completely drunken with iniquity, and want to destroy the liberty of the hungry person and the person with the sandwich by making them dependent on the all-benevolent government.

That is the truth.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

I have a new hero!

Thanks for sharing!

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Eat it!

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It's the price of health care products stupid!

The price of medical procedures has become un-payable by virtually everyone. They're hoping for a permanently high plateau in the price of health care products. This cannot be made permanent by forcing everyone at the point of a gun to buy insurance. There is going to be a depression in healthcare product prices. Hopefully this correction takes the entire Federal Reserve Corporation economy with it.

I'm glad Obamacare is going to wreck the medical industrial complex and healthcare insurance industry. The insurance companies got too greedy, to a point they even wrote the Obamacare law. They flew too close to the Sun. The double digit hyperinflation in the price of health care products in the last two decades got out of control. Too bad.

That being said, the explanation in the video is perfect.

Check This Out Regarding Prices (Price vs. Cost)

http://reason.com/reasontv/2013/11/01/american-health-care-k...

Some interesting points:

Before Medicare, seniors spent 10% of the income on health care. Now with Medicare, and the government picking up 95% of the tab, they pay 20% of their income on health care.

As to the notion that technology has driven up costs, no -- just think of how laptop computers are becoming less and less expensive as time marches on.

As to the alleged "value" of preventative care, no -- another fabrication. It in fact doesn't bring down costs or improve health.

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Thank you for posting.

D'Souza is new to me.

Thanks

Great Find!

I enjoyed that

I like how he raised the moral issues which no longer get emphasised.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

Slight correction to the sandwich analogy

Obama puts gun to Shermer's head, takes the sandwich, eats the sandwich, gives breadcrumbs to Dinesh and claims that he gave a sandwich to Dinesh.

Not only does he take your sandwich

He also makes you pay for the horse and the gun.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Notice how he jumps to defense services right away

But you need coercion to provide defense services, he says. Therefore, coercion can't be all bad. Why not also use it to provide universal health care? The statists always retreat to this little intellectual fortress. Everyone agrees that the government needs to provide defense, right? Then, once you give them an inch, they take your whole hand.

Well. Not everyone. We free market anarchists say that defense services can also be provided by the market through voluntary transactions (e.g., a subscription service).

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Doesn't go far enough.

He doesn't go far enough. First of all he should talk about how the gun is used to keep the poor from working. Then how we now need a gun to support those people because there is a gun keeping them from supporting themselves. Then they need a gun to support all the people holding the guns.

Then how the rich get involved and realize with there money and influence and domination of information they can have guns pointed in the directions that they want the guns pointed.

then bring up how if all these people were doing things that people as a whole were doing before they had all these guns pointed at them, there would be much more to go around.

Then bring up how if all the people who had the guns pointed at them for creating more to go around, didnt have those guns pointed at them, that there would be even more to go around.

Then bring up how wonderful the world would be if there were no guns allowed and that everybody enforced the rule, not just one group of people who pretended to represent the people it was pointing the gun at.

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I disagree. This was a debate, not a lecture

Why convolute the message? Keep it simple. You want to go off on tangents and that will lose your audience. He played it perfectly.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

D'Souza always Impresses me with his Light-Hearted WIT

I was in a KICK for a few weeks watching God Debate after God Debate after God Debate -- just because I love the Verbal Jousting.

And Dinesh D'Souza really jumped out at me as someone who has his wits about him. I don't agree with the specifics of his bible belief -- but i DO agree with his God Belief -- and more importantly:

I agree with the logic he uses to dismantle atheists and skeptics like Michael Shermer. And he does it in a light-hearted way.

It's very similar to Ron Paul's approach to Politics: If you're not having fun spreading this message, you're not doing it right.

I aspire to make that attitude my mental default setting.

+1

Nice find...

NOTE: I am not advocating violence in any way. The content of the post is for intellectual, theoretical, and philosophical discussion. FEDS, please don't come to my house.

great analogy

thanks for sharing

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.