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Letter to my CO

*To the DP: Thanks to many on here who unknowingly have helped persuade me in this direction. I plan on presenting the following letter outlining my thoughts and convictions to my CO in the coming days and would appreciate any feedback you may have on it. Anything I should change/delete/add? Thanks*

To Whom It May Concern:

As a disclaimer, I wish to inform the reader that at this point, I have in no way made any decisions regarding my career as a Marine. This is simply to formulate my thoughts, create a discussion, and possibly consider future alternatives to my current path in the Marine Corps. It is somehow fitting (ironic?) that I begin writing this on the 238th Marine Corps birthday and continue it throughout Veteran’s Day and the entire month blindly honoring veterans.

I remember October 13, 2004 like it was yesterday. I remember sitting tall at the recruiter’s office as I signed into the Delayed Entry Program having recently convinced my parents that it was a good idea. I was excited to serve my country.

I remember July 5, 2005 like it was yesterday. I remember the formal swearing in ceremony at the MEPS station where I gave the famous oath that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I remember saying, “So help me God,” turning around, and seeing tears flowing down my mother’s face and a huge smile on my father’s face. I remember spending those last moments with my girlfriend (now wife) and my parents. I remember the goodbyes as I left for 13 weeks of basic training. I remember sitting on the plane studying rank structure so I would be as prepared as possible.

I remember September 29, 2005 like it was yesterday. I remember as Drill Instructor SSgt Baehr marched in front of me and handed me my Eagle, Globe, and Anchor, signifying that I was officially a United States Marine. I remember trying my best to hold back tears, and although I failed, I did better than some. I remember seeing my family for the first time in 13 weeks.

I was proud.

I was a Marine.

I was a warrior.

I was a defender of the nation.

Since that time, my love for the Marine Corps grew immensely. I spent hours on my uniform preparing for inspections. I studied my knowledge and was one of the few Marines I knew that legitimately took the knowledge test and did well. I was promoted quickly and I would like to think that I was respected as a Marine. I loved telling others I was a Marine and would take every opportunity to put myself into a position to be thanked for my service.

Unfortunately, my increasing love for the Marine Corps had a negative affect on my morality. I recall a conversation with a friend that I hadn’t seen for awhile in which he asked me what I would still like to do in the Corps. I replied to him that I was disappointed that I hadn’t killed anyone yet.

…disappointed that I hadn’t killed anyone….

Looking back, I question how I could have possibly been so dark. How had my humanity dropped to the level that I had a life goal of ending another human’s life?
I guess its just part of the culture. Killing is celebrated in the Marine Corps and referred to as “getting some.” Running cadences often refer to killing in lighthearted and humorous (to them) ways. The word “kill” can replace a multitude of words in a Marine’s vocabulary without batting an eye towards its implications. General Mattis claimed that it’s “a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it’s a lot of fun to fight. You know, it’s a hell of a hoot. It’s fun to shoot some people.” Indeed, killing is part of the culture, and understandably so, but I am no longer part of that culture.

The only morally justified killing is in self-defense. The big lie in the military is that we are used for “defending our freedoms.” Exactly what freedoms were North Korea and Vietnam threatening? Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Yemen? Pakistan?

Here’s a better question: What exactly did nearly 3.5 million (since WWII – the last congressionally declared war) service members die for?

The only freedoms that have been lost have come from the hands of our own government. The Patriot Act, NDAA, our unlimited and secret surveillance state, our ever growing police state, have all been put in place by our own government in the name of “National Security” against the boogieman “terrorists.” I gave an oath to support and defend the Constitution, while our own government that I am employed by is the one that is attacking it.

I joined in order to “defend freedoms,” but I have become aware that I am doing no such thing. I am being used as a pawn in unconstitutional, inhumane, and immoral “wars” that I believe to be based solely around money. (1Timothy 6:10 – “For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil…)

Major General Smedley Butler is often honored in the Marine Corps for his heroic actions, which earned him two Medals of Honor. Unsurprisingly, I failed to see his book “War is a Racket” on the Commandant’s reading list, and no one ever mentions his life after retirement.

Six quotes from “War is a Racket:”

“War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.”

“My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.”

“There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.”

“I spent 33 years and 4 months in active military service…And during that period I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers.”

“Our boys were sent off to die with beautiful ideals painted in front of them. No one told them that dollars and cents were the real reason they were marching off to kill and die.”

“Modern wars are maneuvered and engineered into existence in order to generate obscene profits for behind-the-scenes corporate manipulators whose sons and daughters never serve or die in those wars.”

After learning these things and researching for myself the purpose of war, the damage of war, and the lies that surround war entirely, I find it impossible to remain proud that I am part of the military system.

“Thank you for your service.” These words mean absolutely nothing to me, because I know that the civilian that just told me that believes the lie that America would be doomed without this country being the policemen of the world. I no longer believe this lie. If history is going to speak kindly regarding America, the military must be used for defense only.

“Happy Veteran’s Day.” Again, these words are worthless to me and have been said far too often. What are we celebrating again? Those who served? In order for one to serve, one must be served, so who is the recipient of our service. Is it the American citizens, who want to live quiet and peaceful lives, (1 Timothy 2:2 – “for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.”) or is it for military contractors and politicians in their endeavor for greedy gain. I would argue that it is the latter. So thank you veterans for fighting and putting your life on the line for governmental corruption. As former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger admitted, “Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”

I am quite aware that this may foster the belief that I am unpatriotic or hate my country. I assure you that this cannot be further from the truth, depending on your definition of patriotism. Ron Paul wrote in his book Liberty Defined that “there was a time when a willingness to criticize one’s own government when it was wrong was the very definition of patriotism.” In the military, under the UCMJ, I am unable to do this. My free speech, my ability to criticize, has been made unlawful.

“You’re not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it.” – Malcom X

I also understand that this may cause you to think I am a coward. A coward hides behind others’ transgressions and blames higher ups. “I was just following orders” are the words of a coward, one who will not take responsibility for his own actions. It is a glorified version of the Milgram Experiment – “I am not responsible because someone told me to do it.” Cowardly. Some may say that they are not just following orders, and they still believe in the military system and our current justification for war. That is on them.

As a human, and as a Christian who has finally understood that Americans are not God’s chosen people and do not have his eternal blessing to control the entire world, I must speak up about my personal convictions.

Laurence Vance, in his book “War, Christianity, and the State: Essays on the follies of Christian Militarism,” begins with this:

“If there is any group of people that should be opposed to war, torture, militarism, and the warfare state with its suppression of civil liberties, imperial presidency, government propaganda, and interventionist foreign policy it is Christians, and especially conservative, evangelical, and fundamentalist Christians who claim to strictly follow the dictates of Scripture and worship the Prince of Peace.”

As a believer of Christ and his teaching, I have no place in the Marine Corps.

Because of these personal and internal convictions that I have presented (along with many others), I am consciously forced to find my way out of the Marine Corps in any feasible manner. I am not 100% clear on my options, which is why I have presented this letter to discuss those options.

This letter does not come easily. I am internally torn due to potential consequences and hardships, but my conviction remains steadfast and I know this is what I must do.

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I thank you for the intent of your service.
I thank you for the intent of your current actions to ensure you feed the beast no longer.

I would not look at your time served as a negative.
Think of all you have learned. Think of how valuable you will be to the coming revolution.
Soon we will need heroes willing to take a bullet for liberty.
It is past time to water the tree of liberty.
Keep your powder dry my friend :)

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

God bless...

I too, while in the Air Force, supporting nuclear deterrence, heavily relied on my faith to bring my military service to a conclusion. It was not easy... a "non-combat" deeper than most American's will ever know.

Thanks to a great First Sergeant (I was a LT) who encouraged my faith in my time of darkness, I am here today and doing well. I have my share of burdens but ultimately I know my decisions were in line with Jesus' message.

I cannot give advice as to what to do... each battle is his or her own. When a young man or woman expresses interest in the military, I attempt to neither encourage or discourage them but rather give them the facts as I see them and disclaim them as such.

You'll find true supporters who live under proverbial Marine Corps "rocks" and charlatans that pose as friends. I found my chaplain to be absolutely unhelpful face to face but who knows who was in my corner and who was not... it is not important if you keep your faith and actions within God's corner.

Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth. -- Matthew 5:5

Carry on Brother!

BIG mistake.

I'll tell you what I tell any disenfranchised member (or future member) of the armed forces or law enforcement:

It is YOU whom we need on the inside. It is YOU whom we need to get access to illegal or treasonous actions so that you may lie in wait, to blow the whistle at the time when doing so would do the maximum damage to those who would do us harm.

It is YOU whom we need to stay in and be an actor and play the part. If they ask you if you will fire upon Americans in an effort to round up lawfully-owned firearms, you say, "YESSIR! AbsoLUTELY SIR!"

You admire Smedley Butler - and for good reason! But what good would he have done, had he dropped out as a lance corporal? He would not have risen through the ranks to garner the trust of those who ultimately planned a coup d'etat.

Butler made a tremendous impact because he loved his country. Butler chose to remain in the armed forces, because he loved his country.

If you drop out, the globalists win, and the armed forces are yet one more principled future leader poorer.

Hugs from Chile.

Be Careful

Talk to a JAG first and understand the possibly consequences to your actions. Depending on your CO, he could make your life miserable and you could ruin future employment opportunites. While this may sound cowardly, it may be a good idea to quietly finish your tour and then voice your concerns as a civilian.


Good advice

I don't think it cowardly to finish what what signed up for.

I think you are spot on with your suggestion.

If my Dad was alive and had a talk with the poster, my guess is that my Dad would encourage him to not only stay in, but go for something.. learn the newest tech, learn to fly a F-16 (well that's my thing).. take the time as an opportunity to grow. Life is a pain and what make us human is how we deal with it.. fight or flight.

Don't run.. excel.

Don't get out...

I'm not sure if you should. I agree with what you are saying, been through the same thing. I'm an infantry officer of 4 years, soldier for almost 8. I hated it and was going to get out for reasons you listed. Talked to another retired vet and he encouraged me to stay in because I spark rational thought and conceptual decision making within the ranks. I spread truth to my men and watch it spread like wildfire. From the FED, petro dollar, war, internment operations, all of it, I help spread knowledge in the ranks, knowledge is power my friend. This vet told me that I'd do more good in, inspiring others, than out. If all the good ones get out, you're not helping the marines, you're abandoning them to ignorant, predetermined thought..

Just a different take. I say this now, awake, listening to a few of my men snore like bears. Either way, I get it.

Either way, for liberty!



snore like bears lol I know you are not kidding :D

Thank you sir, for doing the

Thank you sir, for doing the right thing. And Good luck, I'll be praying for you.

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Great letter

brother Christian!

Standing for what you know is right and following through!

High fives!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Excellent letter.

Just to light another fire under your ass:

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in Foreign Policy."

I don't think I need to even mention the author on that one.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

Expeditious Discharge. Your sound option.

UCMJ Separation Code JFG(B) - Expeditious Dishcharge.
Simply expedited. No harm, no foul.

An Expeditious Discharge is an Honorable Discharge.
No consequence to any benefits.

Please visit your JAG office soon and inquire.
If your CO agrees to it, it will happen.

I too am a Veteran.
I still will say thank you.
I look forward to saying Welcome Home even more.

Exercise Liberty.

America Rising.
The Constitution Stands.

"That the pen is mightier than the sword would be proven false; if I should take my sword and cut off the hand that holds the pen" - American Nomad


That was incredible! Way better than mine :)

Thanks for sharing!

*This was intended to be a reply to the post below me. Oops...*

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

From an Army vet..


I've been in your boots brother, and while I didn't send a letter to my CO, he got my message in a youtube video - - Good luck to you and stay strong and proud of your decision whatever it may be!

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Fantastic letter, my friend....

I've been an Army Reservist since 2007. I joined for all the same reasons you did. At the time of my enlistment, I was proud to be part of the system that would help defend my country against the "terrorists". I didn't have it in my heart to join the combat arms, though. My dad spent 20 years in combat arms as a Cavalry Scout, but that wasn't for me. I chose a supporting role as an X-ray Technician.

My retention office has been trying every play in the book to try and get me to reenlist, but I won't do it. I am 100% honest with them and my reasonings for not staying in, but they just don't understand my point of view. In my opinion, I can not stand what I am representing when I am wearing that uniform. I'm only an x-ray tech, a supporting role in the military, and have no direct affect on what takes place on the front lines. That being said, I've been marked by some in the "Hooah Hooah!" crowd as a coward (pussy would be the correct term, actually).

Why am I telling you this? Because when your letter reaches your CO's hands, you will be marked as such too. Don't let their thoughts get you down. I know where I stand, and I don't need to justify myself to ANYONE who claims to "outrank" me. Neither do you.

Good luck bronko. Thank you for posting your letter here.

My Political Awakening: I Wanted to Change the World...
I am NOT Anti-America. America is Anti-Me - Lowkey
How to Handle POLICE STATE Encounters

So glad you see through

the propaganda. And sorry you were duped.

Can I ask what this means:...legitimately took the knowledge test...

You mean most everyone cheats?

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

I can't speak for the entire

I can't speak for the entire Marine Corps, or even my own company, I can only speak for my own shop at the time I was there, but yes.

We would go into a separate room and circle answers as they were read to us, missing a few here and there to not look suspicious.

Why didn't I speak up? Because I was a coward and "everyone was doing it"

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Your Letter does good work

Romans 11:33: "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

You may never know what effect this has in the lives of others.

My Church had a "Blessing and sending off" ceremony for a youngster who was going into the military.

I wanted to say something that would help him understand what he was doing. I could not think of anything I could say that was appropriate for the 2 second interlude.

I could have given him your letter.


The object of bayonet fighting is to sink the blade.
- Handbook For Marines. (circa 1971)

Blood makes the grass grow.
- Gus Hasford

“...taxes are not raised to carry on wars, but that wars are raised to carry on taxes”
Thomas Paine, Rights of Man

You will do what you must.

Those of us fortunate enough to do what we must will face that great wall...face it with unblinking eyes my friend.

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

Beautiful letter!

I'm going to say a prayer for you tonight asking God to help you with your decision. I hope it works out for you soon.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Thank you!

Thank you! I will take all the prayer I can get as my heart has been very heavy today preparing for this.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

As a Marine...

I would like to offer advice to you as a brother. I feel the same way you do now but I didn't while I spent almost 16 years in the Marines. Yes. I got out 4 years before retirement. Stupid? That's what most people say but to me it didn't matter. I had finally had enough and I needed to get out. I had a GREAT career...right up until I became a Christian. Once that happened I changed and when I did it impacted my career. I was harassed, bullied, messed with badly and eventually they got paper on me. My career was over.

I was a combat veteran and a standout Marine but none of that mattered once I started sharing my faith with people. I was told to keep it to myself. Sorry but it just doesn't work like that. Luckily, about the time they were ready to REALLY mess with me I got new orders. They decided to "punish" me and send me out to Recruiting Duty. At first, I felt like it was punishment and those were the longest 4 years of my life. However, it also gave me the ability to be with my family more often, not have to worry about deploying and it also gave me an awesome skill set that I could take into the civilian sector.

My advice to you is to take option 3 and ride it out. If you let if be known that you are thinking conscientious objector you will be branded and things will get worse. Eventually you'll get out but not before they get their pound of flesh. Honestly, once you decide to leave MECEP they will know something is up but if you can play a good part (be an actor) then you can tell them that you decided the enlisted path is the one that makes more sense to you then having to "start over" as an officer again.

I know what it feels like once that "switch is flipped" in your mind and you can't wait to leave. You are going to have to be patient but you have to be true to who you are and what you believe. This is going to take immense courage so you better be prepared for what is coming. I value my time in the Marines because it made me who I am.

I've counseled people since against going in because they'll only become pawns in a game. The militarism/patriotism disease runs deep in this country and it's going to take generations before it changes. I think there are still ways we can honor our military service without denigrating the service of someone else. People join for many different reasons and it's not always so black and white. For many it's just a family tradition and they aim to keep it going. However, we definitely need to spread the truth. I wish you luck because I know what's coming and I don't envy you. Feel free to reach out if I can assist in any way. Semper Fi brother.

Thanks so much for your reply

Thanks so much for your reply and advice.

I spent about 6 months planning on "riding it out," "playing the game," and "spreading the message from within," but the more I learn and the more I think about it, I just can't do it. I can't be an "actor" for 6 years. I can't "play the part" being in charge of other Marines. It is a disservice to them.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

I understand.

Hang in there. It's going to be a bumpy ride. If you don't already have a church you need to find one. One that has military members as a part of it would be preferable because they WILL understand what you are going through. You are in "enemy" territory now. Be safe.

Bravo. I have no idea what

Bravo. I have no idea what response you will get from that but it is a very well-written letter and I thank you for posting it.

I admire your courage...

However, I feel that your letter will be fruitless for a few reasons. There is a good chance your CO will be Incognito while you play Jonathan Martin. Additionally, accepting your letter is admitting that he's been a thoughtless, brainwashed follower for his entire career. Thirdly, I doubt, in advance, your CO has the intelligence to understand most of what you wrote. I wish you the best though.

For further clarification...

I am not "necessarily" going to apply for conscientious objector, because DOD states that you must be against war "of any form," and I don't believe I could claim that because I do believe in the just war theory.

If anyone has any input on that, that would be great.

My current situation is that I am in an enlisted to officer program (MECEP) and I am scheduled to commission in March. My current 3 options are 1) file for CO status - not likely due to previous reason stated. 2) Keep quiet, commission, do the 6 years I owe them and get out - can't consciously do this, or 3) Kick myself out of this program and go back to my old job (fixing electronics) for the time remaining on my current enlistment (2 years in a non-combat, non-deployable job) - this is what I'm leaning towards.

Still trying to figure it out, but as always, the DPs input is extremely important to me, hence my post.

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

I understand your feelings

I understand your feelings and belief. I had felt like you when I was active duty. I had thought of "How can I just... get out" and I even considered refusing my final deployment. I didn't, however, as I did not want to abandon my friends who were deploying. If anything, I felt I had to do what I could to make sure we all made it through alive. We did, not all in one piece, but we all made it home.

I've been out now for almost 3 years. I feel your pain and I wish you the best.

Finally HOME! For Good!
I am an Oath Keeper
I am an Agnostic
I am a father and I want my children to know true freedom in their lifetime.

Good to see you

I was wondering if you would come and chime in on this one. I hope all has been well.

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