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Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist

Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism says death is an illusion

He said life creates the universe, and not the other way round

This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does

He uses the famous double-split experiment to illustrate his point

And if space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either

By VICTORIA WOOLLASTON | Daily Mail | 14 November 2013

Most scientists would probably say that the concept of an afterlife is either nonsense, or at the very least unprovable.

Yet one expert claims he has evidence to confirm an existence beyond the grave - and it lies in quantum physics.

Professor Robert Lanza claims the theory of biocentrism teaches that death as we know it is an illusion created by our consciousness.

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Reminds me of some of the

Reminds me of some of the work that Chuck Missler has done.


Micro to Macro | As Above So Below

If photons of light, as demonstrated in the double slit experiment, can either act as particles or wave forms and "pop" in and out of existence, and we as these human bodies are entirely made up of these fundamental elements, are we not able to also fluctuate between physical and non-physical states of "existence"?

Death is the greatest illusion of man. To overcome the fear, overcome the belief you are simply "man".

Thank you for sharing this!!!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

My 2 Cents...

As a believer of the scriptures I have this to quote:

Ezekiel 18:20a - The soul who sins shall die.

Romans 6:23a - For the wages of sin is death

Genesis 2:16-17 - And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The God of the scriptures believes in death. It is the serpent who says death doesn't exist:

Genesis 3:4 - Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.”

And if death doesn't exist then why do we need to be resurrected?

Acts 24:15 - I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.

I could go on and on but I think this covers my point. If you don't believe in the scriptures, that's fine, no need to respond. I just thought someone might want to know this stuff if they didn't already.

I'm not a reader of scripture but I do see something there

Many scriptures are seen as clever scientific metaphor by some and I often agree.

This is only my opinion:

"Ezekiel 18:20a - The soul who sins shall die. Romans 6:23a - For the wages of sin is death"

For the sake of illustration, let's assume that physics are correct that everything is a waveform of consciousness. "Negative" or "sinful" energies are lower frequency vibrations, like anger, hate, fear, etc. and their "signal strength" is far less "alive" than those that are Positive in nature which Expand and Create—"Give Life".

"...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

This seems like a reference to the awareness that all just IS. There is no Negative and Positive but rather they are degrees of the Same Oneness. "Good and Evil" are a duality illusion (Democrat vs. Republican, anyone?) If you accept the "knowledge" that there is good and then there is evil, then naturally you would NOT subscribe to the teachings of Christ, mainly, Unconditional Love. Love regardless of the Condition. If one is truly in this state of Love then there is NO "knowledge" of Evil.

Like the measurement of Hot and Cold, there is actually no such thing as Cold. Rather, only a lesser degree of Heat exists. But we have designed these labels to make these false concepts rigid which they really are not. Something countless scriputers and sacred texts have taught and what science is RE-discovering today.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin


We are told to love other people, yes, but we are told to utterly despise sin itself. Anger in itself was never condemned, because righteous anger is a good thing. When was fear a bad thing? We are told that "the beginning of wisdom is fear of the Lord." Fear is natural, a key aspect of our minds that protects us from things that would do us harm.

Trust me, there is a difference between good and evil. It's not just talked about in the Old Testamen, Jesus is abundantly clear on the matter in His teaching.

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through Me" - Jesus.

I'm sorry, but there's science and spirituality... what you are arguing is neither, just pseudo-scientific nonsense. You claim it's science, yet it makes no sense (Anger, fear, hate being "low vibration?" What the heck?), and unlike most spiritual arguments it doesn't actually have a coherent philosophy behind it.

Sorry but you need to get the correct definition of Fear

as used in the Bible. From Wikipedia:

"There is another fear in the Bible that has a different meaning. It says to fear God. This is not a fear as in being afraid of God. Fear is used to express a Filial or a slavish passion. In good men, the fear of God is holy awe or reverence of God and his laws."

Jesus also said: "All that I do, ye may do also, and even more"

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one comes to the Father except through Me" - Jesus.

Many believe this was a practical statement of living life as Jesus did. He lived in a state of Unconditional Love, which many agree is the way of the Lord. I am not a practicing catholic anymore but I do Live in Unconditional Love as honestly as I can. And by doing so I have experienced things that I could only describe as divinely inspired. And I have no need for Religious Institutions to do it either.

If it makes no sense to you then please educate yourself rather than throwing your cognitive dissonance on others? I make no claims. These ARE the claims of physicists, which last time I checked, were scientists and nothing pseudo about them.

No Coherent Philosophy Behind It? Really? Christianity? Buddhism? Judaism? These are ALL philosophies based on these Universal Principles. Perhaps you fail to see these teachings as the metaphors they're meant to be? I don't know, but your sudden anger and FEAR of my words has a source somewhere worth exploring.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I mentioned two types of fear

SPECIFICALLY to avoid having that mentioned; I referred to the "fear of God" as in reverence, and I referred to fear as the instinct that preserves us. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough, but that was my intent - to show that by either definition of fear, it's not a bad thing and is never condemned as evil.

Unconditional love is absolutely commanded by God; as Paul pointed out, without love all our gifts amount to nothing. Paul, Jesus, and the prophets all repeatedly emphasized that in addition to love, we must also hate sin.

Quite frankly I don't give two craps about what "many people believe." Many people also believe that socialism works, and they clearly are dead wrong. I care about what Jesus said, and He made it abundantly clear that there is good and there is evil; while, in a manner of speaking, evil can be seen as the absence of good, the fact is that they are distinct, like light and dark. Without absurd mental gymnastics, there's only one reasonable interpretation of Jesus's words in that phrase - that only through Jesus and His sacrifice are we able to be with Him after death.

Yes, there is no coherent philosophy. You just proved it by attempting to claim that Buddhism and a Judeo-Christian worldview are somehow similar beyond very basic morals. Christianity and Judaism teach that God is a personal Being that created all of existence, and is outside of time and space; that human beings are created in His image as individuals; that after death, the faithful are to be with God as individuals. Buddhism is COMPLETELY different; in Buddhism, there is no "God" per se, but rather we are all somehow one being and that when we reach "enlightenment" we can stop our reincarnation cycle and lose our individuality.

Look, I'm not angry at you, and I'm far from fearing you. I am sorry if I come across as angry, but I have very little tolerance when someone claims that there is no good and evil, just different degrees of the same thing. After all, if we're all one, then there should be no objection at all to harming "others," because they're all one, including you, so you're really just hurting parts of yourself and it doesn't matter in the long run.

Thank you. That was respectful and I appreciate it

I too may have been misunderstood. I didn't mean that there are no "good and evil" things in this world. What I mean is that those two opposites are simply creations through our human filters of perception. If we saw someone get murdered, we naturally assign "evil" to that act. In the cosmos when an asteroid destroys a planet, is this and act of "Evil" if there is no equally subjective consciousness to call it as such? Likewise, it is no more or less "Good". It just IS. Yin Yang. The Light and Darkness are polarities of ONE.

Actually I think we DO need "mental gymnastics" because we've been lazily spoon fed our beliefs for centuries rather getting out there and using teachings and principles written in ANY book or text as guides to living life consciously polarized in Love.

That is all. I'm not saying Jesus was wrong. I think he was completely right in his metaphoric teachings and I believe them as such because I have applied these and similar principles in my life and my life has changed "Night and Day". I was simply trying to illustrate from my perspective the complete validity of Jesus' teachings. Some people don't, like my grandmother (My Dad's mom - parents are divorced) who still prays every day, goes to church at least once a week, says a prayer in the morning and at night, and has lived what she believes to be a devoted Christian Lifestyle, yet mention my mother's name and out come curse words and hate that make even me uncomfortable.

So I guess what I'm getting at is that many will spend their lives living a false faith, by their OWN doing and not that of the Faith.

I don't disagree with you at all, perhaps my methods of explaining my views need some adjustment and I will take this exchange into account for the future.

At the end of the day, to have scientific backing to one's spiritual beliefs, no matter what they are, is amazing! It may not be easy to adapt these findings to one's Faith, but nothing about this life experience is supposed to be easy, otherwise, we wouldn't learn anything at all.

Take care and have a great weekend!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

In the scriptures God spends a lot of time making a contrast

between acceptable behavior call "righteousness" and unacceptable behavior called "sin". A great way to sum it up is this:

Deuteronomy 30:19-20a (God speaking)
I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days

A sin BTW is to disobey a command from God (his law).

1 John 3:4
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

Exactly. And in physics

there are Universal Laws that cannot be broken. If one tries they will be destroyed but the Laws remain the same.

Love is seen as THE Universal Law or Principle. Love is more than just the sound our mouths make when we try to describe a degree of being pleased with something when we feel an intense Positive Emotion (E-Motion = Energy Motion) in the Solar-plexus. Love is what creation feels like. What Life feels like. What Blessing feels like. So if you chose to go against the unshakable LAW of Love (Command of God) you become LAW-less and you become a person who has "lost" their way.

My friend, we are using different mouth sounds to describe the same ineffable thing.

The Egyptians had no separation between their "faith" and their studies (sciences) of the afterlife. They were ONE body of knowledge only to later be divided in two. The "Spiritual" must be left to the Institution of the Church and the "Physical" must be left to the Institution of Science, they said. But we are in a time when these two are remerging as ONE.

This Truth will validate all Faiths but the Institutions that lawlessly constrict them into separateness, will fall away.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Don't forget, in the bible

Don't forget, in the bible there are TWO deaths.

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Yes sir.

Revelation 20

Are you...

...saying you don't believe people will have conscious existence after earthly death? Really, unless some kind of annihilation of person is true, nobody ever 'dies' in the sense of no longer existing, right?

In the scriptures Jesus compared death to sleep.

This "sleep" has no consciousness. When a person is resurrected they are "awakened" out of their "sleep".

Psalm 6:4-5
Return, O Lord, deliver me! Oh, save me for Your mercies’ sake! For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give You thanks?

Psalm 115:17
The dead do not praise the Lord, Nor any who go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.

True --

-- but a conscious person falling asleep, to be awoken later (how much sooner or later could be debated separately), isn't the same thing as them not existing any more is it? To me, that would be the ultimate death -- to be obliterated into nothing, into a non-entity. As long as a person continues to exist, asleep or not, in hell or heaven or wherever, they are still a personal part of reality. Physical death is just passing from one phase of existence (or life) into the next; not a cessation of a personal being.

so did my grandfather

when he got to be about 95, he started saying sleep was "practice"

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Your two cents

is golden. There is no life after death without GOD.


I am a christian myself, but

I am a christian myself, but quoting a book your opposition may not necessarily believe as a basis for your argument means you lose the debate. To win you must use what they believe to prove your point...in this case science(which is NOT mutually exclusive with religion.

That's just silly

There is no scientific evidence to prove one way or another so this is not a scientifically arguable subject.

I saw a picture of jesus in a

I saw a picture of jesus in a pizza pan once, does this prove the existence of a god?

setting your mind up for

setting your mind up for suicide terrorism

I know of dozens of ways...

... to move a person out of his body. Once he does, he knows he is spritual being and pretty much has the idea that he is immortal. He is senior to the physical universe.

None of this can be "proved" because the physical universe does not have the means to measure him. He has no mass and no wave-length. He can only "prove" it to himself. You can also have him demonstrate to himself that he is senior to the physical universe. The info on this has been around for decades.

In conventional terms with mundane observations, juat read up the multitude of stories about "out of body experiences"; then use common sense to sift out the embellished ones -- but ask yourself, how, in all these experiences the person was able to see and think while remote from the brain and the eyes. If you chase this down you are in for some revelations, even thought they have been known for decades.

Most people will not look at these things, as they will also bypass or scorn this post because it bumps up against their "science" or religious training; but once a person has had such an experience he knows what he knows no matter what others try to persuade him. The modern religious dogma called "science" does not have a definition for "space"; it just has co-dependent definitions of it and "energy" and such without any tangible starting point. Once someone has had this experience it is much easier for him to understand a fundamental definition of "space" and even demonstrated it to himself.

"Proof", as such, of anything is just about impossible without getting these definitions understood.

The Truth is Ineffable

but it is the Truth.

Words don't teach—only experience teaches, and there are many tools and practices that have been around for thousands of years, at least, that can inspire such experiences.

Just reading these studies without having some personal experience to resonate with, can make it difficult in "updating" prior beliefs.

I have had deep meditation experiences that I could only previously liken to the use of hallucinogenic interventions. How could sitting in absolute silence, in as little thought as possible, be such a rich thought-provoking experience?

And how difficult has it been to distract us from this and fill our heads with noise and negative thoughts and feelings? Clearly, not that difficult.

Great comment! +1

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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I agree with you

except it has been known for thousands of years, not decades. If you study the ancient spiritual beliefs and teachings from all over the world you will see it over and over again. Through study, meditation and an open mind I've had some amazing experiences.

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

I've had my mind blown by books I've read

from the 1800s. It's pretty much what all the "New Age" rage is all about yet there is nothing "New" about it. It comes in waves over "time" and repeatedly comes to light but "dark forces" have been resilient in making people forget.

They make us forget, but we are always led to remember. It's a cycle of induced spiritual amnesia. Actually, it WAS a cycle broken by Global Consciousness, aka the Internet. Not only are we seeing this next wave, but we can also, for the first time in World History, have the ability to see the ripples that have led to this.

Meditation changed my life. I remember now :)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

You sound as convinced of

You sound as convinced of your theory as those conventional scientists you accuse of being close-minded. Fact is, we don't and can't know for sure who's right until our time arrives.

Biocentrism is an intriguing and exciting theory though!

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

"Conviction " comes form "proof"...

..., knowing comes from personal observation or involvement. I won't argue with you -- just go and find someone around you who has had such an experience. I have, and I don't care to argue with anyone about it.

Whatever turn of semantics causes you to say I "sound" like something or other does not really touch me one way or another.

The point is, someone who has had such an experience HAS had their time arrive, despite the fact that most are trained to beleive it is only possible with death and are thus s*** scared of it. It's quite common for those who have had it happen, even, to be scared as their "training" still applies.

I had to look up biocentrism:
noun: biocentrism

the view or belief that the rights and needs of humans are not more important than those of other living things."

but I could not draw any connection between it and anything I mentioned.

I've experienced an OBE and

I've experienced an OBE and stand by my statement. The experience is something seemingly otherworldly but does not itself prove afterlife. One can believe it does, but belief is not proof. Same thing for certain consciousness altering chemicals. Perhaps they expand consciousness in such a way that they allow us to temporarily experience alternate "possible" realities (in the quantum sense). I love the theory, but it is just theory.

The physicist referenced in the article we're all commenting on was refered to as holding to a biocentric theory.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Oooooh I got chills! Nice!

"The secret of life is to "die before you die" — and find that there is no death." — Eckhart Tolle

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

big +1

I had my first (and many subsequent) out-of-body experience (OBE) with the direction of Robert Monroe's Gateway Experience. It's a great introduction to OBEs and also teaches some techniques to deal with stress to help facilitate relaxation to achieve an OBE. We really are more than a physical body.

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