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Anti Christian hate organization stops small school from giving Christmas boxes to children in need -

Some Dick H*ad Humanist group is forcing a small school to cancel its Operation Christmas Child charity drive.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/11/15/school-cancels-ope...

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Xmas

has nothing to do with Christians. Its a marketing scam.

Did you really just censor

Did you really just censor "head" when you typed "Dick Head?" Ha.

I say, get the government out of education. Teach your kids what you want. Ultimatly its going to be you feeling like an assho*e when your kids hate you because they cannot compete in the market because you filled their heads with nonsense.

Get the State out of Church business.

If a public school district doesn't want to have a Christmas charity drive and a parent is really concerned, then why send their children to public school? Send children to Christian community schools, where members of a church voluntarily donate their money to maintain it or whatever school happens to be the interest of the individual.

As for Christmas; Christians don't care if people recognize Christmas. Foremost because Christians are educated and know (Read the bible) that the birth of Christ wasn't in December, it was in September.
http://www.askelm.com/star/star006.htm
Christmas is fun and Christians are free to enjoy such events, but Christians don't get upset about this kind of garbage.

This goes for all holidays, no date should be determined by the State for any individual or collective group. Otherwise the State will want to regulate Easter, when Christians who read the bible know that Christ was crucified on Wednesday and rose on Saturday, not Friday rising on Sunday.
http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/jesus-wasnt-crucified-f...

grant

I think you are off base

Get the STATE out of my childs education!!!!!

agree.

And to do so, get your child out of State education.

How about

And to do so END the Public Education monopoly funded through forced Taxation .. But i guess Statists like you love this indoctrination

Did you even read my post?

I agree with you. The State should not be involved in education. It should be the responsibility of the parents to either homeschool or get a group of others to voluntarily pool their money together and hire teachers. One such way is via religious organizations, but there are obviously endless possibilities. What part of my post makes you think I am a Statist. I consider myself a minarchist when it comes to the State and an anarcho-Christian when it comes to church government.
grant

Listen Collectivist/Statist hack

The State already forces me by gunpoint to fund these indoctrination camps .. So get the state out of my wallet so i can make my own choices for my children

I'm sorry we are forced to fund these juvenile prisons,

but there's no reason to give them our children's minds along with our money.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

My children don't go to Public School

But I am not gonna sit and listen to these Statists basically endorse Public Indoctrination .. And i get downvoted and these Statists on the DailyPaul get upvoted .. Black is white, freedom is slavery

Perhaps it's because your attacking the wrong people?

Your the one that wrote "Get the STATE out of my childs education!!!!!" So if your children don't go to Public School, other than being forced to pay for public education you have no gripe. My belief is that the State should not be involved in education, likewise it should not be involved in marriage nor a long list of other areas not specifically outlined in the constitution. My personal preference being the Articles of Confederation and not the Constitution and first and foremost the Declaration of Independence.
grant

Sorry Man

I agree with you .. but it seemed you gave me a false choice of having to send my kids to private school if i don't like public school .. This is what all the liberal hacks do as well when i confront them .. they say you got a choice send them to Private school .. which in my opinion is a BS choice so now i have to pay twice to educate my children .. I apologize .. but there has been a lot of trolls on here lately

Ahh yes, the innocent

anti-gun, anti-catholic Samaritan’s Purse organization. If you leave a crucifix or a nerf gun in your box, they will throw them away. After your boxes are supplanted with propaganda and offered as toys=jesus, Franklin Graham will be able to brag about all the godless Catholics he converted to real Christianity:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/05/world/05SALV.html

If the schools were simply packing toys and supplies and sending it to poor kids for Christmas, I would commend them. That is NOT the situation here, by any objective measure. What a different tune some of you would be singing, if this were a muslim aid organization that added tracts stating, "Jesus is not the Messiah" and "Allah is the only God" inside.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

I think you've confused the issue here.

Being someone who has a laundry list of problems with both Franklin Graham (and his father for that matter), as well as the semi-Pelagian heretics in the Roman Church, the issue here isn't who is being sued, the issue is who the plaintiff. I'm assuming you're a Romanist, so I'll simply suggest that you might do well to align yourself with anti-Christian anti-theists a bit less often, lest you want to confirm the Protestant charge that you guys are pushing thinly veiled paganism. But hey, as the old Jesuit saying goes, "The end justifies the means".

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

whoa man,

I'm not even a Christian so I can't really respond to your wild allegations.

Matters of law are to be decided on facts and not upon your personal bias. The plaintiff is irrelevent. Do your ends justify the means? Do we throw away the Constitution because we don't like the person or group it protects?

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

Who's throwing out the Constitution here?

I'm not fully into this religious idea that the Constitution is the end all, be all of law and order, especially considering that it was used to systematically destroy the established churches of the colonies. But to answer your question, my end here is my right to expression, which you materialist nannies can't seem to handle. If you really cared about so-called equal rights, you'd be complaining about your being required to pay taxes to subsidize these schools rather than trying to chase charities out of them.

My original accusation was based on a fairly prominent number of Roman Church adherents aligning themselves with atheistkult in order to discourage Christianity in the public square while they still foster it within their own private schools (see Michael Moore as one of many prime examples). But in retrospect, I probably should have tied you in with the Dawkins crowd given that they seem to show more leniency towards Papists with their rhetoric as opposed to proponents of biblical orthodoxy. My mistake.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

lol...

I'm as far away from Dawkins and materialism as I am from modern Christianity. Anyways, I'm going to kindly halt the discussion here if we cannot debate without you assuming what my worldview is and attacking the shadow. I just don't think that tax money should be used, even indirectly, to support projects which proselytize any religion or world view whether that view be Christian, Atheist, or anything in between.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

This is why I agree with the complaintants.

“We are a project that aims to celebrate the true meaning of Christmas -- the birth of Jesus,” Wells said in a statement."

As someone who believes in Scripture the above statement is reason enough to stop these people. Why? Because it is a LIE, big and fat. Christmas is a pagan holiday that has NOTHING to do with MESSIAH and these people are trying to indoctrinate children into their lies and false worship.

Fact is that School should be for learning reading, writing and arithmetic, not for learning charity, morality or religion anyway.

Funny how people hate the idea of religion in school unless it is the Satanic false Christian religion that pervades this country.

right on!

I was looking for a post of this sort. Thanks and keep reading the scripture... It is amazing how many people do not know the falsehood of their beliefs due to pagan traditions being passed down to Christianity.

-T4L

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

Heavens to Saint Nick

It is NO secret to the Catholic Church, and the witness of tens of thousands of named Saints, that Catholicism was able to globalize by assuming Pagan Gods and making them Saints for people to continue to pray and still belong to a global COMMUNE. It's one reason for the many devotions in the name of Mary, for those Pagans of Goddess cultures.

I don't see anything "fake". Fake to me is empty of belief. I respect other's beliefs as long as they do not hurt me, after all I don't have to agree.. they should DO WHAT THEY WANT, eh?

Natter of FACT, The Catechism of the Catholic Church was one of the most life changing books I've ever read because it explained many things I never thought about, that I took for granted.. it showed me a picture of the world I had never thought about.

My father was a hard core onjectivist.. if he was alive, I would have bought him that book, not to convert him, but to show him a view of the world that exists.. and you never see it, but it controls your life in ways you never imagined just because the Church is thousands of years old, a massive power institution with billions of followers that are real.

I'm not sure of your point.

You admit that Catholicism, and by extension Protestantism, are heaped with false and pagan doctrines but then you seem to defend it.

You seem to have some misunderstanding of Fake or False. Catholicism and its Protestant offshoots are definitely real but that does not mean they are not fake. As religious institutions they are real but in terms of true Scriptural doctrine and worship they are fakes like Satan who appears as an angel in white.

From the absolute and undeniably false name jesus, to SUNday worship, to Mary worship, to Saturnalia(aka Christmas), to Ishtar (aka Easter), to their self proclaimed saints, etc..., Christianity is rife with falsehood and lies.

You are right about the very real power and influence they have though. Many here want to make Israel and the Jews the scapegoats but it is false Christianity that rules the day and is the driving force behind our demise.

It definitely needs to stay out of our public schools especially.

Yes

I defend the right for people to have their beliefs. I don't need to agree with them, but I think it's amazing and wonderful to have the freedom to express and share whatever our beliefs, even your belief that other's beliefs are false.

Have you ever read the Catachism of the Catholic Church? It's not the Bible, so I am not asking you about scripture.. I'm asking you about reading the architecture and design of the Church as a organization.. like reading the small print.. because it's a real wide eye opener to the world you are living in.

I'm not going to judge other's spiritual experience on this physical plane.

Maybe you agree with my favorite atheist? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTypnaP5X4

I would like to think Jesus would not be spotted

hanging out with people who condoned pointing guns at other people to fund their public schools but Jesus does specialize in thieving, immoral, mentally ill, sick bastards. It is my wish Jesus would find thieving, immoral, mentally ill, sick bastards and command them to go forth and steal no more. Perhaps Jesus is waiting for thieving, immoral, mentally ill, sick bastards to come to him when they are nailed on an adjacent cross.

I have two thoughts on this

I have two thoughts on this controversial topic if I may share with you.Firstly...this again demonstrates how and why multiculturalism does NOT work in its current form. It really is not a multi cultural society but a reducing of any societal culture. The heavy handedness this "perturbed parent" used to express his political will in favour of his own religion or lack of one is an objectionable assault on community spirit within any school. This parent is part of a larger problem within our 'decaying society'.
Secondly...sending toys to impoverished children around the world is not a wise project in my opinion. They need soaps, toothbrushes, toothpaste, etc. I'm sure they can fashion their own entertainment without western society's idea of consumer stuff. What is the main goal of this school project: raising children with charitable hearts? ... helping impoverished children learn how to play? ...spread the gospel?
At any rate maybe this perturbed parent will seek education for his children somewhere else.

It may be labeled differently

But it is ALWAYS about spreading the Gospel with intentions. Never is it nondenominational without the hook.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Oh please

What kid wants soap as a gift?! You would give them coal in their stocking, too, I presume!
Let kids be kids, already!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

If coal offers some heat in

If coal offers some heat in their impoverished home then that would make more sense than the silliness you offer.

Ironic that they are so concerned about the little kids getting

converted.
All of their website and Facebook stuff is pro abortion. They are anti-life and pro murder of babies.
If it was up to them there wouldn't be any little school children to protect.
F-u-c-k-i-n-g evil a-s-s-h-o-l-e-s.

AHA.

@ssHole Association.

I believe in the freedom to be what we choose to be.

seperation of church and state

It is a school that recieves government funds so there should be no religion involved. But the real problem is that thwre exists a government school in the first place. Also the kids and parents and teachers can still do this outside of school. Would you be ok with a Satanic group raisizng money for one of their events at the school? That would be weird wouldnt it?