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Tommy DiLorenzo!

The man!

Tom DiLorenzo speaks truth to power

Keep speaking up, time to buy a radio show. Spread it.

The "American System" -nobody lays it out better than Tom!

Thanks Goldspan. You've posted one of my two all-time favorite video lectures recorded via LvMI. I also just happened to finish my first course at Mises Academy which was conducted by DiLorenzo and analyzed American Imperialism. We suffered some technical difficulties, but it was good stuff!

I'll throw backatcha my other favorite lecture. Dilorenzo's a historian. This guy, Stone, is a sociologist. He's a top-notch biographer of Robert Nisbet, a sociologist who wrote a bunch of books on Social and Political Philosophy. Stone is not a LvMI insider but a guest lecturer. He probably offended a handful at LvMI, and that might just be why I've never found this lecture actually posted by LvMI. Who knows? LibertyInOurTime posted it though. Kudos to them...

This thread seems be dead, so I will comment on it.

Goldspan thanks for posting it, I listened to it fully and enjoyed it.

But your prior post were anathema to what your posted here.

No wonder it never got any traction. And I figure you are glad it didn't.

Thanks for posting it.

Interesting video

Posting it here is SO obvious as to your other efforts.

Perhaps that is why it never gained traction.

Of course it didn't matter to you. You were just making a statement.

Maybe you're right... So tell me, if it is that obvious...

Don't just make accusations attacking people without providing an explanation. You do that a lot, a you ASSUME too much, instead of thinking objectively FIRST...

The title is pretty iffy...

What exactly are you saying about this thread? It is misdirection, disinfo?

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

You see Dumb1ass this is exactly what I am talking about.

If you had really read anything I have posted over the last six months….and you actually “listened’ to this presentation …..You would realize that I have been saying exactly what this guy said.

There is a concept of thought (and you will have to pardon me for not knowing it’s title off the top of my head, and I don’t want to take the time to research it right now…..but you just won’t leave me alone).

So this concept of thought goes something like this….You are introduced to some new information, because of your lack of knowledge in a specific topic ( like banking for you) you believe this new information to be the truth. Because you think this is the truth you blindly go around espousing the new information (Like the Israel crap from Corbett) as an enlightened individual……but also turn away from any new or contradictory information……because this challenges what you know to be the “truth”……and of course you think you are no fool….so you devote yourself to what you think is the “truth” a blindly go in to the world and become a Zealot for your “truth”.

What you fail to do is your own research….and I have seen enough of your crap….and have talked enough with you to know this is EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE. The reason you keep trying to chase me down and challenge me is because I called you out on be a BULLY to newbies…..you see….. you can come off all high and mighty to them and they either don’t have the knowledge ( which I do ) to refute you…..or they don’t want to bother because they know that you are irrelevant to them…….which everyone on here knows now…..you add nothing.( like Karen Hudes)

So either pick up a book and learn something……or go back to James Corbett and Alex Jones……I don’t care……..but leave me alone. You bore me and you add nothing to the conversation. No one is interested in your comments.

I believe the technical term you are searching for is...

...dupe... or, idiot... or, fool...

But leave Alex Jones alone he's been very good lately and is not responsible for the wild trollings of individuals like base1arealass

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Law.....man I wished you hadn't said that.

A couple months ago you were posting about the differences between the sect’s of the Jewish faith and it was impressive. Your thoughts were concise, intelligent, articulate and quite frankly very impressive. But then I read some of your post regarding the NWO and banking elite conspiracy and well to be honest it is naive. So I ask myself….how could someone be this intelligent and be so naive at the same time and the obvious conclusion is ……..He just doesn’t know. I mean this with all sincerity and really with a lot of respect. I see a very intelligent person wasting his God given talent…..please take this as constructive criticism, stop wasting your time on the conspiracy and wake up to the fact that we do not have a conspiracy problem……we have a philosophical problem. The difference is between Statism and Liberty. Study why we really have a constitution…..the real reasons…..the crimes that were committed…..crimes against Liberty. RP could use someone with your talent to spread the message of Liberty……you are a valued commodity.

I don't listen to AJ so I don't know what he has said lately....But I doubt he has all the sudden become intelligent.

There is an old say…."you can tell the measure of a man by the company he keeps"……Do you know David Icke……this guy is a special idiot.


Do you really think I don't know...

Have you considered the possibility that you are mistaken on the conspiracy aspect of history, and present reality?

I am well studied in a wide range of subjects, history being one of things I excel at.

You said this...

"...stop wasting your time on the conspiracy and wake up to the fact that we do not have a conspiracy problem……we have a philosophical problem."

It is both. Should I quote the bible, or would that be an unfounded conspiracy theory, honest question?
Ephesians 6:12-
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

If you want to pretend powerful people, families, organizations and other groups don't collaborate behind closed doors against the goodwill general public for their own gain, then you are naïve, not I.

If you don't listen to Alex Jones, where do you get off criticizing him?

I'll reserve judgement on David Icke... I just don't know... That's what you do when really don't know... you say... "I don't know"...

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

You see….this is why I have

You see….this is why I have been reluctant to mention this to you…..you didn’t hear any of the positive things I said to you and about you……you just chose to latch onto the negative and then throw it back at me by making this statement.

“If you want to pretend powerful people, families, organizations and other groups don't collaborate behind closed doors against the goodwill general public for their own gain, then you are naïve, not I”.

And then follow with scripture as if this is proof.
Ephesians 6:12-
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

I hate arguing with people that use religion as a source. It’s not because I cannot make a sound argument…it’s because it won’t matter. Scripture is open to interruption and the person using it will become a zealot defending it.

Also this is not a spiritual or religious discussion but by using it you are challenging my spiritual relationship with the Lord, which you prove with this statement.

Should I quote the bible, or would that be an unfounded conspiracy theory, honest question?

I will not answer this question because you are not the person to judge my spiritual relationship.

I only brought up the Lord (in the other post) as a reference the difference between natural Law and positive law.

So let’s began with the things I will discuss….the first statement.
I did not say these people do not exist …..Everyone looks after their own best interest. Why do you assume that they are doing it against the goodwill of the public….why is that the only choice…..these are private institutions…..maybe their goals are not in line with the public? Not everyone believes in the same things….I don’t have a problem with what people believe or what these people believe……my problem is when they use the power of the State to enact their agenda. …..can I change the nature of these people? Probably not…..can I limit the power of the State….there is a poor track record of that. What is the one way to insure that a bubble never pops….never allow one to exist. What is the one way to insure the I do not lose my God Given Liberty to the State…..make sure the State doesn’t exist.

I am not a pretending kind of person…..I don’t pretend that the Constitution is the greatest document…..hell for what we have been sold…….it doesn’t even come close to even being good a document. I don’t pretend that if we “just had the right people in charge” things would be better. And “have I considered that I might be wrong”…..yeah but it took like a half a second to regain my sanity.

This was written as part of the introduction to Rothsbard’s book Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy.

This is fantastic written work is the definitive answer to many naysayers— those who boast great differences between Republicans and Democrats; those who insist the main engine behind
U.S. wars is concern for national defense or human rights abroad; those who dismiss “conspiracy theorizing” as oversimplified accusations of behind-the-scenes power-broking, devoid of nuance
and sophistication; and those who myopically think all major decisions are made by the exact same clique of major players, rather than through a complicated confluence of sundry interests
and forces.

Peddlers of oversimplified conspiracy theories will be uncomfortable with the level of detail in this book, as will the court intellectuals who regard any and all references to the duplicity of groups like the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as the talk of paranoids completely divorced from reality. ( I …this is me Lawman….I try and keep them in their proper context and role) Furthermore, people who think that the elimination of corporate influence from the public sphere will finally end the wars and graft will be encouraged to rethink their assumptions about the state: it is not, after all, an organization for the public good that has been hijacked by the rich and powerful, nor an engine of corporate control that can be reformed toward liberal ends. The state itself is and always will be the problem, and so long as it has a military arm, it will be influenced by some private interests or others toward opportunistic warring, and at a minimum manipulated by politicians, even the most supposedly humanitarian and egalitarian of whom have a murderous and diabolical record in deploying its forces and dropping its bombs. Even large business interests can come and go, but the political apparatus itself, the most inherently corrupting of all institutions given its unavoidably coercive and monopolistic nature, will continue to inflict misery and loot the disadvantaged on behalf of the powerful.

But the complexity and subtlety of the Rothbardian analysis, backed up by the sheer mass of rich historical detail, sets Rothbard on an altogether different and higher plane. Here there is no single agency, no omnipotent central committee that issues directives, but a multiplicity of interest groups and factions whose goals are generally congruent.

One of Rothbard’s many great contributions to the cause of liberty was to restore the original theory, which pitted the people against the State. In the Rothbardian theory of class struggle, the government, including its clients and enforcers, exploits and enslaves the productive classes through taxation, regulation, and perpetual war. Government is an incubus, a parasite, incapable of producing anything in its own right and instead feeds off the vital energies and productive ability of the producers.

How do I know I am right….because there are no contradiction in my beliefs.

Do you believe your inalienable rights are endowed by our creator?

If you are a libertarian and you believe in natural law as one of the cornerstone of that belief, then you would reject the concept of your intuitive knowledge for a philosophy of Positivism.

If you accept these principles as the bases of your belief system, then you would look for empirical evidence to support you thoughts and reject the ones that cannot be supported by anything other than innuendo….Like the Rothschilds. I will provide an example. If you know the difference between investment banking ( called merchant banking) as opposed to commercial banking ( known as deposit banking) you would understand that the things the Rothschild were being excused of doing just were not possible in the context of their business model. (read my Journey to Jekyll Island: Rothschild)

Read the post just a couple below this post.

I attempt to differentiate what is truly (through empirical evidence and knowledge of markets & financial history) the corruption of the State and what is innuendo (with others who just repeat what they hear without any understanding of markets & financial history) My experience and knowledge of financial market and financial history provides me with the ability to discern the difference between fact and fiction, just as your superior knowledge of your religious history.

BTW….I didn't said I have never listened to AJ….I said I haven’t listened lately…but C’mon man…that guy is an idiot….wasn’t that your technical term. Whatever happened to those missing nukes?

My quote from the bible was in response to this statement by you

"...stop wasting your time on the conspiracy and wake up to the fact that we do not have a conspiracy problem……we have a philosophical problem."

In response I wrote...

"It is both. Should I quote the bible, or would that be an unfounded conspiracy theory, honest question?
Ephesians 6:12-
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

This Biblical passage is eluding to the notion that 'we' wrestle against forces that are BOTH Conspiratorial AND Philosophical...
Which was why it was a relevant quote...

Your attempt to re-arrange my quote to accuse me of using the bible to justify my next statement (which was this; 'If you want to pretend powerful people, families, organizations and other groups don't collaborate behind closed doors against the goodwill general public for their own gain, then you are naïve, not I.') is deplorable.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I responded to your post... Not personal...

You offered up a token comment for one relatively unimportant post I made about different theories in Judaism as a segue into your criticism. Thanks for the compliment.
You then claim my "conspiracy theories" about globalists and international bankers are "naïve". They are not.

Now, in the post I'm responding to, you clearly LIE, goldspan...

-"And then follow with scripture as if this is proof."

I didn't follow that with scripture, I followed the scripture quote with that point... Here is what I wrote exactly...

"It is both. Should I quote the bible, or would that be an unfounded conspiracy theory, honest question?
Ephesians 6:12-
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If you want to pretend powerful people, families, organizations and other groups don't collaborate behind closed doors against the goodwill general public for their own gain, then you are naïve, not I."

You purposely re-arranged the order of my post so that you could make the false accusation that I was trying to use that quote as proof of conspiracy theories. Which clearly was not the case.

You said we are not fighting conspiracy problems, we are facing a philosophical problem.

I said it was both. And then quoted the bible as a biblical way to look at it. Sorry if that offends you.

You see, by asking if you think the Bible is just another conspiracy theory, it lets me know whether you're judging some of my theories based on biblical interpretation... Which you have answered... You do...

So, you may hate discussing bible (philosophy?) but I hate when someone tries to claim it isn't a credible source in any way.

That said, when I wrote this...

"“If you want to pretend powerful people, families, organizations and other groups don't collaborate behind closed doors against the goodwill general public for their own gain, then you are naïve, not I.”

It stands on it's own, regardless of any biblical quote or not.

But I got my answer out of you about whether you regard biblical quotes as any evidence of anything. You don't, unless they are your own interpretation, and privately kept too, apparently.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?


You asked me to consider if I might be wrong……I often ask myself that question, but I am not wrong stating that I hate discussing Bible scripture in the realm of difference between conspiracy theory and State corruption.

Here is a site that I have found very helpful; it gives commentary of each and every scripture along with putting it in the proper context. I will let you decide whether the scripture fits the topic at hand. I do not want to argue with you….actually all I wanted was to help you. Of course you are telling yourself you don’t need my help nor did you ask for it…..but you were willing to chime in with Base being an idiot…..and anyone that can see that I would & could consider him or her a friend. Again I don’t really want to debate scripture…only offering this as a source……but when it comes to financial matters and if they make financial sense…… I am all in……so in cyberspace this would constitute a hand shake.


Wayne Barber commentary:
We are going to go back now to verses 12 and 13 because they help us put a perspective on our unseen enemy. We have seen that we have to put on the full armor, and we have seen what the armor is. Now let’s go back and look at what our enemy is all about. That is in verses 12 and 13. Verse 12 says,

For our struggle is (3SPAI) not against flesh & blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
The first thing that hit me as I was studying this was our battle. Our enemy is not flesh and blood. Our enemy is not people! They are not our true enemy. Now I don’t know about you, but that kind of confuses me sometimes when I get out in the real world. When I get out there I realize I can see people. I just can’t see the unseen enemy. How quickly I am suckered into the trap of thinking that people are my enemy. I have said many times,
"If it were not for people, I could live the Christian life."
You’ve done it, too. In your prayer time you have said,
"God, if You will just get rid of this person who is bothering me, it will be alright."
We have this paranoia when it comes to people. We think people are our enemies. It is what controls the person that is my true enemy. People are not my enemy. That is why God consistently says in Ephesians,
"Be diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bonds of peace."
He is saying, "People, you are not each other’s enemy. You’ve got a bigger enemy than that. Don’t get side tracked by what other people are doing."
We mistakenly think people are our enemies; our boss, our husband, our wife, our children, people we work with, whoever. What do we do? We think if we can defeat them in some way, if we can get rid of them, we can have peace and victory. That is all upside down. We end up fighting each other. That is what Paul said,
"Flesh and blood are not our enemy."
They are not our enemy. We use hateful words, critical things. We have to tear somebody else down to build ourselves up as if we are in some kind of competition with one another. We forget we are on the same team. If we fight we lose. The war was won at Calvary. We are not to be each other’s enemy.
I read an article some time ago in a magazine called "The Clergy Journal." The article was on clergy killers. It was talking about preachers who are being kicked out of churches and are finding all kinds of discouragement and distress in churches all over our country. The article said right now the average stay in most churches for clergy is just a little over a year. That’s how fast people are dropping out of the ministry. The author said that is because in every church there are clergy killers. He said they are out to do one thing: they are out to take the person who is leading that church and get him out of that position of authority. There are people who don’t want to be under somebody else. There are people who want to force their own agenda. There are people who are all upside down in their minds as to what the church ought to be. When the author closed the article he said,
"I know I sound angry. I know I sound mad. But I just wish somehow we could get these people out of the body of Christ so the body of Christ could rise up and be what it ought to be."
Well, I read that article and said, "Amen, amen." Then I started studying Ephesians 6:12:
"We war not against flesh and blood!"
Now wait a minute. Flesh and blood are the ones bringing me all the harm. Flesh and blood are the ones injuring me. I don’t understand. Paul is trying to say, "Hey, folks, you need to realize the war zone you are in is not the people. Our enemy is what controls the people. We don’t war against flesh and blood.
I don’t war against flesh and blood. What am I doing fearing people? I ought to fear God and love people. When I am strengthened in the inner man, then I am diligently protecting and preserving the unity of the Spirit which Paul clearly says in 4:3. When we love one another that solves a tremendous problem we have in our life.
Well, we are in a struggle. Paul uses the word "struggle" (Ed note: "hand-to-hand" combat) there in verse 12. The word "struggle" is only used here in the New Testament. I wish it was used someplace else so we could go look and see how it is used, but it is not. "Struggle" comes from the word that has the idea of vibrating or of motion. This is why the term "wrestle" comes out of it. We are struggling. We know we have the flesh to deal with. We know we have the world to deal with, but Paul is saying there is something bigger than all of that which uses the world as its pulpit and appeals to the weaknesses of your flesh. This is your whole unseen enemy and you are in a struggle with him. When you pinned somebody in the wrestling of that day, the way you won was to put your hand around a person’s throat and drive him into the ground. In many circles they would put them to death (Ed note: or gouge out his eyes resulting in blindness). Wrestling in Paul's time was not fun for it was a win or lose, live or die situation. I believe we need to understand the seriousness of the struggle we are in. We need to learn not to fight or fear each other, but to fear God and to understand what motivates people. We are living in a war zone. We are on property and territory that is controlled by an enemy, and we are light in the midst of darkness.
Therefore, if we don’t war against flesh and blood, if it is not my father, if it is not my mother, if it is not my children, if it is not my brother, if it is not my sister, if it is not my friend, then where is my struggle coming from? Paul tells you. He says
"For our struggle is (3SPAI) not against flesh & blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places."
My second point is this, our struggle is not with flesh and blood but it is with an unseen enemy who is the mastermind of the darkness and deception around us. He is an unseen enemy. Do you understand that all the evil you look at in this world today didn’t come from God? There are a lot of people who say,
"How can a loving God let these things happen?"
God determined the consequences of sin before it ever occurred. When sin happened God, being a just God, allowed man now to suffer the consequences of what man chose. Satan is the propagator of all of that. He is the one who came to Eve in the garden. He is the one who got man to listen to him and deceived his thinking. Man believed the lie. As a result, we live in the consequences of that kind of garbage. Thank God, we have been delivered from its domain, but we still have to deal with it every day in our life.
The apostle Paul uses several descriptive words to show us the unseen enemy and the territory in which he reigns. I understand in this verse there is a hierarchy of Satan’s control in the lower heavens and around this earth. Many military leaders have suggested the term "rulers" and "authorities" suggests that. We know in the book of Daniel that his prayer was hindered for 21 days as Michael the archangel struggled with the angel over Persia.(Da10:13) People are saying there are demons over nations and demons over cities. I have no trouble with any of that. But I want to flip it over for a second and remove ourselves from that domain for a second. I want you to look at the words he uses and show you how he illustrates the nature of the evil that is around us. Oh, folks, we have to realize this. There is deception everywhere, not just in false teaching in the Christian circles. It is everywhere.
First of all, he uses the term "rulers." He puts it in the plural because it is not just Satan. It is all the demonic hosts of heaven. His demons are the masterminds of the evil in this world. The word used there is the word arche. (Click here for in depth study on arche) It is the word that has the basic meaning of that which is preeminent, the origin of something, the leader of something. You have heard the expression, "The buck stops here." Well, that would be a good illustration for arche. It is where it starts. It is where it begins. It is out front. It is that which originates something.
Now we know these are spiritual beings because of Eph3:10. (Click for message)
"in order that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places."
Where are the rulers? In the heavenly places.
So we see a spiritual realm here in 6:12. They are spiritual beings, but they are in the realm of darkness. You must understand this. Where do they rule and reign? Only in the realm of darkness. They do not rule over light. They do not rule over you and me. They rule in the sphere of darkness.
Look at verse 12:
"against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness"
The word "darkness" is skotos, which is the word that means the essence of all darkness that is around us. It is the ones who are in first place. It is the ones who originate. It is the ones who propagate. The context of this verse to me shows that these unseen rulers are the ones who are originating, the ones who are causing, the ones who are influencing all the evil and darkness around us. Paul is referring to an unseen enemy. He wants us to understand that behind the scenes, what you can’t see, there is one who propagates, originates and comes up with all the evil, all the horrible things that you see in this world. All the deception comes right out of him, and he rules in that area. He leads in that area. He earned that right when Adam sinned and man lost his right to relate to God. This world became temporarily his and he is the mastermind behind all the evil that we deal with.
The second word he uses there is the word "powers." It is in the plural also. The word for powers really is the word which means authorities, exousia and is the word used in Colossians 1:13 when it says we have been delivered out of the exousia, the right and the might of darkness and placed into the kingdom of His dear Son. In other words, in the realm of darkness Satan and his demons have not only the creativeness of propagating evil and originating evil, but they have also the right and the might to carry it out. They work in the realm of darkness.
I don’t know about you, but to choose not to obey truth, to choose not to surrender to Jesus Christ automatically puts me into a realm that I am not supposed to be in. Immediately I become one who suffers the consequences of the evil one who has the authority, the right and the might in the sphere of darkness. That scares me. I think of all the dumb choices I have made in my life. Only in the realm of darkness do they have that authority.
to choose not to obey truth...automatically puts me into a realm that I am not supposed to be ...of the evil one who has the...right and the might in the sphere of darkness.
Thirdly, Paul uses the word "world forces." The word is kosmokrator. Kosmos means not only the people of the world but the system of the world. Kratos means dominion. It is a dominion based on what somebody has already done. If you want to know what Satan has already done to give him the dominion over darkness, go back and study Genesis 1-3. It is no wonder some people try to get this out of our Bibles and say it is not a part of the original Pentateuch. They want to make it a myth because right there is where he proves himself powerful to deceive a man into stepping into darkness. Satan and his demons have their kingdom, their domain, their dominion in the world of darkness and evil we live in every day of our life, but only until the age is ended. It is a temporary time. We know that. It is limited. He is "on a leash". One thing is for sure, you haven’t seen anything yet. In the midst of all the evil you see in this world today, remember there is still the restrainer. Think of all the horrible things that are propagated by the devil. Through his authority he ruins people’s lives. He tears down nations. Who causes all of that? I will tell you. Jesus said in John 8:44, he is a liar and a murderer from the very beginning.
"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies"
He is the unseen force behind it all. But I want to tell you something, folks, we haven’t seen anything yet. Wait until the restrainer is taken out of the way and the world starts seeing what really is evil in this world. We live right in the middle of it every day.
Some Christians say,
"Oh, you are always on our backs about getting in the Word. You are always talking about being filled with the Spirit. Oh, man, I am cool. I am having a good time."
Yes, you are also a fool. You are walking down a road that seems right and that way is leading you right to destruction and you don’t even know it. I wonder how many of us have upside down minds already, perverted by what the world says, by what he does. He is the mastermind behind it.
Fourthly, Paul tells us one more thing. Paul tells us that Satan and his demons surround the world in the lower heavens. Oh, if we could get a picture. I see the world completely surrounded by the demonic darkness of evil. Satan is the originator of it. Satan has the power in it. Satan has the dominion in it. It is just ugly. What we think is light is really darkness compared to the light of God. We live right in the midst of it. Isn’t it beautiful that Jesus is light, not a light, not like light? He is Light. (cf Jn8:12) Nobody turned Him on. Nobody can ever turn Him off. He came down and pierced through that darkness. He came into this world, went to the cross and now that we have repented and by faith received Him, we have been made light. Don’t you think we are an irritation to what Satan is up to in this world? If I were him and I had a master plan, I would keep people who know Christ living upside down lives, living deceived, out of the word of God rather than fool with the lost. To me that would be the most effective way to bring division and to destroy what God is trying to build up through His people. He has done a great job at it. He has done a great job.
Paul is saying, "We war not against flesh and blood." Behind every person who harms and injures us and deceives us is a spiritual enemy. Now I think that is the confusing part to me. Though we don’t war against flesh and blood, flesh and blood are the pawns that he uses to come against us. That is what bothers me. Because you see, I can see flesh and blood. I can’t see what is behind them when somebody writes a letter, when somebody says something to you, when somebody tears you apart, when somebody disappoints you. That hurts you and you want to go after them. But you have to remember he is using them. Love them but hate what is using them.
2Cor 10:3-5 says our weapons are not of the flesh but they are "divinely powerful".
"3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, 4 for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. 5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,"
Evidently this person is coming against you and his mind is totally upside down. He doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. What is going on in your life right now? Who is it that is threatening you? Who is it that is bothering you right now? What is it that is bothering you? Track it back. You will find deception of some kind at the root of that whole thing. The only thing we have in this world to stand on that is the truth, besides the Lord Jesus, is His Word. When you start believing a lie, it will flip you over and you won’t even realize it. You will end up fighting the wrong thing and not even know that there was a spiritual enemy behind it. There is deceit in this world we live in today.
Look in Ephesians 1:20-21 (Click previous sermon notes)
"which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come."
Jesus Christ who lives within us far exceeds any power you ever thought the devil had.
Ephesians 5:8 (click for message) says,
for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk (present imperative = command to walk this way as a habit of your life) as children of Light
You have been completely remade.
Look in Ephesians 5:11:
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them
Who is the propagator of darkness? Satan. Who is the one who has authority in that realm? Satan. Who is the one who has his kingdom set up with people in that world? Remember, we used to be a part of his ploy. Ephesians 2:2 says that we used to walk
"formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience."
"You mean to tell me that before I came to know Christ I was actually used by Satan to deceived others and literally to tear down other people’s lives?"
Exactly. Now the tragedy is when you become a believer and still try to walk that way. You live deceived, upside down. The word of God is not changing you day by day. You produce unfruitful deeds of darkness. It didn’t say it was less fruit. It says there was no fruit. There is not one good thing can you say about darkness, not one. Yet there are people who won’t get in the Word. They don’t examine their conflicts by what the Word of God says. For some reason or another they think it is not relevant to their life. They are getting more and more and more upside down in the way they are thinking, not even realizing it. The very enemy they thought they understood has already turned them inside out by getting them to believe a lie. It probably came through somebody who told it to them because he uses people

Interesting discussion.

Have either of you ever watched this? Have either of you ever considered the message that brought about America?


It seems to me you are both political, and w/o a foundation of right and wrong.

Tell me if I have read either of you incorrectly.

God Bless you Both,

you were suppose to block us

what happened.

You have got to stop getting your education from YouTube. Do you know how to read? Pick up a book and leave me alone.....I know you are always wrong and i am right not to take you seriously.

My referance to blocking you was in referance to a question,

"How can either of you support people being criminals for selling milk to their willing neighbors? Let's Skip to the End Fellows. You both can speak forever about how you are both superior and use Ron's philosophy.

I'm going to put you both on ignore if you can't answer the above question."

Neither of of you did so. You both are here to USE daily paul and Ron Paul's philosophy, but you both seem to hate those that promote it.

And by the way, anyone that say's stop getting your information from youtube is no wiser than one saying stop getting their information from books OR the MSM.

What in the hell to you even mean by this?

"You have got to stop getting your education from YouTube."

Tell me Goldspan, what is YOUR SUPREME source of Information?

You, idiot, have posted more insults than ANY information that respects truth.

And after doing so for months, you want me to leave your account alone. Of course, this says it all. "Pick up a book and leave me alone.....I know you are always wrong and i am right not to take you seriously."

Go to youtube and type in Karen Hudes. That lady that brought you out of the wood work.

Was it because she's a Catholic but mentions the Jesuits? LOL

Damn right you are Right.

You were 'educated' on Wall Street.

Today's action was quite interesting, wouldn't you agree.

I didn't watch it, I just spent time in my garden and shared things about you "Always Right" folks.

I would leave here, but you are So Much Fun, and give such great forwarding comment to gardeners, your input is priceless.

"I know you are always wrong and i am right not to take you seriously."

Priceless. How could I leave.

I simply can't understand why

I simply can't understand why you guys haven't achieved your political objectives by now, it is totally inexplicable.

Apparently history is lost on some

Youtube videos don't account for history.
The books have erased history and distorted it, for a thousand years.

Every single article you look up, being real books and authors...will surely tell you the real history one needs to know.
Try looking it up, if base 1 even is truly real.

It disappoints me that you think my praise

of your comments regarding your religion were a “segue” to criticize you. My comments were sincere. Next time I will post them in two different posts. You just posted twice without giving me time to respond to the first….so here is my answer to it.

You stated it was both…..I disagree because we are looking at this completely different. You assumed that when I stated a philosophical problem, I must have meant spiritual or religious philosophy because that is the realm it which you couched your response. You assume wrongly. What I was referring to was a political philsosphy….in fact the philosophy of “Statism”. What you wish to look at is that the players are bad people and if I just remove the bad player we could fix the problem. I believe that the system is bad and no matter who is there we will always end up in the same place….with less Liberty. You are born with your Liberty and the only thing that can take it away “legally” is the State. In my world….this is not a religious or spiritual problem. I don’t think the Lord bothers himself with this matters of this world. I believe that his only desire to have a personal relationship with each and every one of us. The problems of this world are made of people and their personal and political philosophies, which are most often determined by their “station in life”. What do I mean by this….the people that either get status or income from the apparatus of government will never be convinced that they are bad people. In fact most of them are very nice people. But the State is the problem….period.

The conspiracies are promulgated by the Church because the Church lost its power during the raise of State Absolutism. These people scare me more than the current batch of “bad” families and conspirators. These people are called the Greenbackers and Alex Jones is part of that crowd.

It doesn’t matter what arrangement your post was in …your intent was clear. Use the Lord to set a standard of superiority and then make a statement with the vague supposition….as if to say you can’t deny that people from wealthy and connected families conspire against the little people. But then you are offended when I call you out on it. Never mind you didn’t address any of the comments or information I provided.

Ok Goldspan and Lawman

Tell me how you both support the Military takover of the local police force and how you support their efforts to destroy local economies?

How can either of you support people being criminals for selling milk to their willing neighbors? Let's Skip to the End Fellows. You both can speak forever about how you are both superior and use Ron's philosophy.

I'm going to put you both on ignore if you can't answer the above question.

Please block me, because I reject your premise.

Your question projects a premise that we favor the “Military takeover” of the local police force and further confuses that premise with conjecture that this will destroy the economy. You are assuming things that are non-existence, as in my opinion would be supportive of such a thing as a “Military takeover” of the local police or supportive of the military police raiding a place of business, neither which are true.

If that’s the best you got…….please block me….Hell how do you block someone because I would have blocked you long ago. Can I block James Corbett …or how about Alex Jones.

This post will speak for me as well... +1...

Except the knock on Alex Jones at the end.... ;}

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Neither of you have a clue

I have no idea why you Lawman are even posting on a Ron Paul site. Other than you HATE the principles of the declaration of independence.

Why are you here?

Base…do you remember

the concept of thought that had slipped my mind in the above post….well I came across it. Please don’t make me regret sharing it with you.

Your thought process is a intuitive knowledge (explained below) and positive law of the State. My thought process is based upon the philosophy of Positivism and the natural law of the individual.
This will help you understand why you will never be able to convince me of anything, because I am knowledgeable of our philosophical differences…..where you think that I am just ignorant to the information that you think you have that I haven’t ever seen….what I keep trying to tell you….i know what you know…..but you haven’t even began to scratch the surface to what I know…..but I am willing to teach you….you just have to open your mind that I am not James Corbett or Karen Hudes.

Intuitive knowledge is the ability to acquire knowledge without inference and/or the use of reason. The word intuition comes from Latin verb intueri which is usually translated as to look inside or to contemplate. Intuition is thus often conceived as a kind of inner perception, sometimes regarded as real lucidity or understanding. Cases of intuition are of a great diversity, however processes by which they happen typically remain mostly unknown to the thinker, as opposed to our view of rational thinking.

Intuition provides us with views, understandings, judgements, or beliefs that we cannot in every case empirically verify or rationally justify. For this reason, it has been not only a subject of study in psychology, but also a topic of interest in various religions and esoteric domains, as well as a common subject of New Age writings. The right brain is popularly associated with intuitive processes such as aesthetic or generally creative abilities. Some scientists have contended that intuition is associated with innovation in scientific discovery.

Positivism is a philosophy of science based on the view that information derived from logical and mathematical treatments and reports of sensory experience is the exclusive source of all authoritative knowledge, and that there is valid knowledge (truth) only in scientific knowledge. Verified data received from the senses are known as empirical evidence. Introspective and intuitive knowledge is rejected. This kind of positivism is not to be confused with positive law, the main alternative to natural law.

IF, THEN, THE NATURAL law is discovered by reason from “the basic inclinations of human nature . . . absolute, immutable, and of universal validity for all times and places,” it follows that the natural law provides an objective set of ethical norms by which to gauge human actions at any time or place. The natural law is, in essence, a profoundly “radical” ethic, for it holds the existing status quo, which might grossly violate natural law, up to the unsparing and unyielding light of reason. In the realm of politics or State action, the natural law presents man with a set of norms which may well be radically critical of existing positive law imposed by the State. At this point, we need only stress that the very existence of a natural law discoverable by reason is a potentially powerful threat to the status quo and a standing reproach to the reign of blindly traditional custom or the arbitrary will of the State apparatus.

In fact, the legal principles of any society can be established in three alternate ways: (a) by following the traditional custom of the tribe or community; (b) by obeying the arbitrary, ad hoc will of those who rule the State apparatus; or (c) by the use of man’s reason in discovering the natural law—in short, by slavish
conformity to custom, by arbitrary whim, or by use of man’s reason. These are essentially the only possible ways for establishing positive law. Here we may simply affirm that the latter method is at once the most appropriate for man at his most nobly and fully human, and the most potentially “revolutionary” vis-à-vis any given status quo.



Your intentions are quite clear. And your desperation as well.

I haven't had to call you any names. I assume many people on this site are familiar with Mises. Should they not be, thank your for posting references to the site. !!!!!

Where you fail Goldspan, is in your efforts to destroy the ideas of people standing up for those principles! And those people that are exposing those in power that have IGNORED them. You Goldspan are one of them and you are losing and you know it.

So you call me BaseAss, a typical Communist effort.

Carry on Goldspan, spread the word. ;)

Goldspan I think you should do a little more study.

We are both advocating (I hope), the cause of Individual Liberty and the Rule of Law. I certainly am.

You picking out INDIVIDUALS and labeling them, for being WRONG, when they are exposing the truth and corruption tells me everything I need to know about you. James Corbett is the best journalist on the internet, and Karen Hudes is exposing a lot of corruption.

The fact you call them out and tell me to 'pick up a book' leaves me speechless.

Give me a list of books that represent Honesty and the Rule of Law, and I will read them all.