42 votes

This man is simply awesome, you got to check out this video!

Packed courtroom for Manhattan man accused of fishing without a license

MANHATTAN - It was a packed courtroom on Tuesday for the hearing of Ernie Tertelgte, a Manhattan man who says he's being wrongly prosecuted for trying to feed himself.

Tertelgte, 52 years old, was arrested on Monday and is accused of fishing without a license and then resisting arrest.

He appeared before the judge via video from the Gallatin County Detention Center, and it was standing room only more than a dozen friends and family members filled the small courtroom.

Tertelgte appeared subdued and respectful before the Justice of the Peace during Tuesday's court session, which went very differently than his court appearance earlier this month, where Tertelgte and Three Forks City Judge Wanda Drusch got into a heated exchange.

Terteltge argued that the court did not have the authority to charge him, citing "natural law."

Continue / Video

Trending on the Web

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

I'll address one aspect of your post

I can't find time to read most of your posts because they are lengthy, and right now, it is Thanksgiving week and time is tight.

But here goes:

Cali penal code section 7
"the word "person" includes a corporation as
well as a natural person;"

You have taken that to mean that the Code says every natural person also has a corporation (or what some call a straw man).

Unfortunately, it doesn't explicitly say that. If one were to read it to mean that, one would also be purposefully trying to ignore the other things that could mean, which are all more plausible and likely and easier to understand or accept.

It is well known that a corporation is considered to be a "fictitious person", so that the corporation can sue and be sued, and make contracts, etc.

So, as an attorney, the way I read this code is that it is saying when that particular part of the Penal Code uses the word "person" that it can refer to either 1) a natural person, or 2) a corporation.

In other words, corporations can commit crimes, or at least there is penal code legislation that applies to corporations. Probably environmental stuff, etc. This is also a well-known fact, which again makes this the more likely meaning.

But I understand you believe it means that where the code uses the word person, it is saying that every person is BOTH a natural person and corporation. Well, why would that be in the penal code, first of all? And how does this jive with the stuff that sovereign citizen types always tell me, that the laws about strawmen are all secret and unpublished?

But, playing along further, IF it meant that, it would be really simple to find out - one could go look in the annotated code books by Wests or Deerings, and try to find cases that say that is what it means. Believe me, over time, in a litigious state like CA, every little word and aspect of a frequently cited code has been litigated to death and there would be caselaw on it. If it exists.

Or, one could go on Westlaw, or Lexis, or probably several other services nowadays, and do a word-search. One could try to find cases dealing with it. (Now there ARE of course numerous cases that reject the concept of a strawman generally, which I have provided cites to, but I doubt they dealt with this particular argument under Cal. Penal Code).

Yet another alternative, for the lazy man, would be to talk to an experienced criminal court judge or attorney, and askt them. They would tell you what I'm telling you (though I don't consider myself overly experienced in that area and don't wear the robe).

Still another alternative to find out the meaning - would be to hire a legislative intent research service. Lawyers sometimes use those to develop arguments for the true meaning of codes and statutes. But again, that is going to focus on the real meaning of the statutes and when you tell them you want them to research the legislative intent behind that code section, they will look at you with a blank stare, becasue it will seem obvious to them.

There would, if that interpretation is correct, be numerous cases in which people have "gone sovereign citizen" and argued some form of that. There would be appeals of it. But I'm going to go ahead and predict there are no cases reported on it. And I'll go further, no cases unpublished or decided but not reported. (Even unpublished decisions still are written decisions that are publically searchable).

The reason that there is no case law on an argument is sometimes that it is such an implausible argument, that no one has bothered to try it up through appeal. That is what we have here. Until you show me the law - and we're talking case law here - common law in other words - interpreting that statute in the improbable manner which you seem intent on believing, I'm going to follow experience, common sense, practice, custom, intelligence, critical thougt, and knowledge of the legal system, which all leads me to believe that you're simply wrong on this point.

Care to rebut?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Oh come on you have to know better than that

Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad

You have to know this famous case. This was the case that artificially inserted into case law that corporations are persons.

You may say well that proves your point and it does but you are missing the extreme implications and dog leg in case law that this represents. Making Corporations persons means a person is a corporation. This makes a legal person a commercial status entity which then opens the door for the Constitutional authority of regulating commerce as regulating persons and making courts presume that identity is the commercial person that then enables code application to identified corporate persons. The 14th amendment was the opening of pandoras box into regulating people as corporate commercial persons and this case law launched the new era of commercial personhood. They won´t tell you this because they are committing fraud and have gained literally infinite unregulated power over regulating the people as persons through code application to people as commercial persons.

Also you need to look deeper into the definition of person over time just as His American Majesty has pointed out to you in the past here on DP. A person was never legally equivalent to people or a man or woman. A person was aways a man in a capacity. This drifting definition of person overtime is key to understanding our Constitution, the 14th amendment and the application of code to people through identification of the corporate commercial person.


I did go to the DAs office in San Diego and had a lengthy discussion with an investigator (the only man I have met in government who claimed the Constitution is still applicable) about this issue and he explained the same thing you saying. about corporations being able to commit crime. I challenged him also and told him that it is impossible for a corporation to commit a crime because a crime requires mens rea (guilty mind). A corporation is a fiction and has no mind therefore a corporation can have no guilty mind thus no intent is possible. This was the whole purpose of the concept of peircing the corporate veil. If a man in a capacity of a limited liability corporation committed a crime then the man would have removed himself from the bounds of the bounded capacity and was now liable for the criminal act.

The investigator was speechless and really had no rebuttal. This is the confusion that we have on going that has destroyed our laws. When one looks deep into the history I described earlier about the men who ushered in the 14th amednment to model the British corporate government model that the British had literally fought wars against us to implement in the US and the removal of the original 13th amednment from our laws then the picture becomes much clearer as to the intent to defraud. The British had implemented this word magic fraud of corporate personhood and corporate government in Great Britain with great success in confusing the people and they wanted hear. this was literally the PRIME reason the Civil War initiated in the US at the direction and through the covert activities of the British. This was all based around the banksters wanted to implementing this for debt currency creation through the future profit earning potential of the birth certificated comercial persons registered with the banks. The whole thing is a huge multigenerational conspiracy for a very explicit purpose of world domination by the bankers through applying code to the people so that laws could be sed to control the people.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

constitution being in effect

you make the indecipherable claim that a deputy DA in San Diego is the only "government official" to tell you the Constitution is in effect. I don't even know what that means. Assuming you mean the US Constitution, of course it is in effect, and why would a government worker claim otherwise? Do you believe they all have a duty to tell you the Constitution is in effect?

If you are referring to the California Constitution, since you are talking about California, there were two of them. Perhaps that is what you meant. But it is a California-specific nonsense argument that I have heard before, that the first Constitution is somehow in effect and not superceded by the, errr, superceding version. If that is what you meant, sorry, you're wrong.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I told you I am conducting criminal investigations

of the criminals claiming to be "courts" and "Law enforcement". This is part of my standard questioning as to gain evidence into their intent.

I have asked hundreds of people working in the "courts" and"law enforcment" if the US and State Constitution is still applicable law and if they are operating under the State Constitional Capacity and if the State they are referring to is the same State under and bound by Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution Limits on States sections.

I have done this in CA,FL, and NC.

That man I referred to is THE ONLY ONE out of hundreds asked that claimed yes the Constitutional is still applicable law and that he was operating under the its capacity. THE ONLY ONE. I told you, I don´t assume ANYTHING anymore. I even asked the various personnel in the courts including the clerk of courts and a commission on the record if the San Diego superior court is actually a court of law and no one answered this question. The clerk told me I need to speak to their attorney!!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

but of course you don't tell us how it goes down

again, why would a govt official deny that? And what is your point? Are you trying to claim the constitution isn't in effect?

I agree it isn't followed the way I want, and sometimes not at all. But it is "in effect."

Further, it doesn't matter whether you or I or an "official" thinks it is. Again, the law is objectively knowable, you can look it up.

I'm an attorney and I still don't know what you mean by "operating under the capacity" or why you think someone would have to even answer that question.

Court clerks are forbidden to practice law, can't give legal advice or analysis and in CA even usually have large, prefab signs posted which say they won't. So, Ergo, therefore, if some guy comes in acting weird asking spaced out questions like "is this a court of law" (no silly, it's a dog pound!) and writing the answer down like he's a super sleuth, of course they will put you off!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Exactly, why would they not readily admit that??

I began asking that question because of the complete breakdown in the rule of law and because of the DUNS numbers and reports I found on the "courts" corporate status. I already provided those links to you before when you demonstrated that you did not know what a DUNS report is. Remember the DUNS reports links I gave you?

I also provided the links to the ones for San Diego Superior Court.

This demonstrates a corporate commercial status of the "court".

From this and the breakdown in the rule of law I had to peel back my questions to absolute most basic questions I could possibly think of. If I asked the Commissioner in open "court" on the record if Iwas in a court of law and the Commissioner said "I am not going to answer that" then what the hell am I suppose to think. If I have the credit reports of the same entity as a corporation with a board of directors and traded as name then what the hell am I suppose to think???

When I have my proof of crimes of perjury demonstrated from both signed by their own hand on the court papers and court recordings of the exact opposite happening in court showing proof of perjury and I take that to the deputies for placing them under arrest and they send me to another department and then the slave maze of departments begin from DA´s, sheriffs dept, police, magistrate etc. even the Grand Juries Office and no one will do their job when they DO have consent of the governed with an actual accuser accepting liability for the accusation (ME) with proof of the crime in hand and no one does anything that is when I ask if the they are government, if the Constitutional is applicable law, etc. They send me through the slave maze of depts to make go away but I use this journey to conduct a criminal investigation on all of them and ask these questions then WHAT THE HELL ELSE I AM SUPPOSE TO THINK!!

It is literally way more broken than you could possibly imagine. ONE MAN claiming the Constitution is applicable out of hundreds!!

You have no idea how gone the whole thing is. It is a total breakdown! I have the proof and I have multiple documented crimes in hand and I am trying to bring justice but they are criminal gang protecting their criminal rackett.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

here's why they don't answer you

you come off like a sovereign citizen nut. And to be fair (to them) you do share a lot of their ideas misplaced and false that they are.

The judge or commissioner really doesn't have to answer questions like that. They don't. They are just there doing their job, and have to deal with a guy who thinks he is a crime investigator for some reason, and wants to ask questions that have obvious answers. They probably think you're nuts. Maybe, if you don't realize that, you are a little nuts. I'm just being honest. It sounds like very strange behavior to me.

And I find it hard to believe you've been in court hundreds of times. Not even Al Capone managed that.

You didn't show me "credit reports" of the courts. I don't know why there would be such a thing but you didn't show it. You linked to a series of small business reports operating out of peoples houses. They had named their businesses USA this or that. You thought that was evidence the USA is a corporation. You need to learn how to think.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

If they are operating under another capacity

then how can I know what laws are applicable? If they say they are the State of California but will not answer if it is a State under and bound by Article 1 Section 10 of the US Constitution and they don´t follow the rules of the court as published by the "State of California" then what the hell am I suppose to think? Doing their job? What is their job? Who are they? It seems they just want us to think it is "obvious" to obfuscate accountability. All I see is laws being broken and criminal men committing and openly admitting to various felony and misdimeanor criminal acts. I sincerely believe that our government has been overthrown by a corporation through fraud and most people a still being defrauded and don´t realize what has happened. This is why our case law, Constitution and laws are so topsy turby. I have WAY more information than I could ever reveal on here but for a prudent man you should have enough information from what I have provided to realize that something is very wrong. We should all know that something is very wrong just from the violation of the Constitutional tender laws. This breach alone should be enough for the American people to throw all of these peope claiming to be government out on their butts.

I honestly don´t know how you can be so intelectually lazy and lack prudence in such serious matters. I am conducting criminal investigations because they are definitely committing mass crimes against pretty much everyone and the system won´t investigate themselves and won´t obey the laws.

I told you I am not going to assume anything. One cannot assume anything in court. All facts must be demonstrated as true and when there is tyranny everywhere and nothing but crimes being committed by them then I do not know how to protect myself any other way. What is wrong with someone trying to protect themselves and to uphold the law?

With the complete breakdown of the rule of law why would a sane man not question everything to get the facts straight? This is perfectly sane behavior and diligent. Your attitude demonstrates decadence and negligence towards upholding the law. I think it is nuts to assume anything at this point. Those people are dangerous criminals running rampart upon the people.

No accountability for them and tyranny for everyone else I guess is your theory.

I did provide the link before to the search page before for the DUNS report but here it is to the actual page for purchasing their report:


Also, I never claimed I have been in court hundreds of times (dozens of times across multiple states) I told you I have interiewed hundreds of people in the government across multiple states. I have a process down that I perform when they commit their tyranny against me and this process will get even more formal once my time is more freed up.

Our entire government was formed on the basis of tyrannical government being unlawful. It is my duty as well as everyone elses to uphold the law. Their whole game is to act like someone is nuts who is trying to uphold the law. What a racket. I cannot believe you are so supportive of their mass crime. What the hell is wrong with you? You seem to be a imprudent, negligent and unreasonable man.

Also here is the DUNS report for the US Federal Courts:

You are really proving yourself to be an intellectually lazy man.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

last attempt to reason with a crazy man

That website will show a page for ANY listing which you enter into the search function.

See, here is the page for "Phreedom's Assmunch Conglomerate" of Washington, D.C.


Uh-huh, yeh, you sure got me. You're off your rocker and have proof of nothing.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Buy the report read it and trace back the BoD

Damn you really are incompetent.

You don't even know what DUNS report is do you?

You can even buy the report for the British Ministry of Justice and see its incorporate date of the year 1600 and then really begin to see the much larger picture that is going on.

Damn you really are incompetent.

Do your homework? You can't just read case law in a vacuum and expect to understand the world. You have to put everything into context of history and investigate the people involved with making the case "law". Read the Federal Rules of Investigative Procedure and then apply those techniques to "courts" and the people involved in setting the "precedent" and who they were involved with. Then you will begin to see a much larger conspiracy so vast it will blow your mind.

Assuming everything, just like you assumed GW Bush was actually right for the presidency or that he was even elected is a major fail. There are people battling for the republic and people inside the system working deep to limit the damage but they are numbered in the hundreds compared to 10s of millions of complete idiots working as if everything is normal. We are doomed unless a large mass of people get their heads out of their asses and realize that a real revolution is needed.

I can't believe that you can even possibly come to the conclusion that all elements of a valid contract don't exist for the Constitution. You want to talk about nuts that is really nuts!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

yeah man just nuts!

i am nutso! whoo-hooo! crazy I tell you! You wouldn't want me getting your secret files! Who knows what Id do with em! I'm Car-ayyyy=zeeeee

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Fallacious reasoning

Your quote: "Making Corporations persons means a person is a corporation. "

Really? Does making ducks a type of bird make all birds ducks?

Does making Gary Johnson a Libertarian make all Libertarians Gary Johnson?

Does making all soft tacos tacos make all tacos soft tacos?

Illogical on its face, right there at the beginning of your post, your very foundational premise. Sorry.

your point about corporations not having mens rea is just factually wrong. If a mens rea is "intent" or "recklessness" (which roughly means being aware of a risk but ignoring it) I believe a corporation can have mens rea.

But once again, there is a simple way to prove you are right: Find the case that says Penal Code Section 7 defines person in the way you think it does. Any case. Published or unpublished. it's all public record, searchable, knowable.

Fact is, if you are making this claim WITHOUT having such a case site, then you're just pulling everyone's legs (includign possibly your own) because you really haven't researched the meaning at all.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

The case claims equal protections

for corporations as persons. It made them the same legal status. Equal. I will say it again, EQUAL. 1=1, 2=2, 3=3 and so on.

If you think a corporation has any intent whatsoever you are clearly living in a fantasy world. A corporation is an idea. It is just a peice of paper with some ink on a page that is legally recognized from the intent of men. A corporation has no intent and to think so is nuts because a corporation is a fiction.

It is up to men to maintain the integrity and competency to stay within the bounds defined in contractual understanding. Men stepping outside the contractual bounds are liable for their OWN actions.

This is why the concept of peircing the corporate veil exists. The liability is limited only inside the bounds. If the bounds created in the contract creating the legal fiction inherently violate the rights of another then the contract is invalid and represents proof of the men´s intent to commit crime against another.

You are really lacking understanding on the contract side. I also already told that literally 99% of all case law upholds this fact when a man is not confused about what is fiction and what is real.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

you're wrong about that

first of all, sounds like a terrible decision. But I haven't read it recently. I'll try to do so sometime soon and respond more detailed.

Corporations can have intent. Ford Corporation formed the intent to make the Pinto with an unsafe gas tank location, despite the risks. That intent resulted in a huge punitive damages award. So, no a corporation doesn't have one brain, but ultimately it can act with intent for purposes of some criminal statutes and civil laws as well. I disagree that a corporation can't have intent, though I don't disagree with your point (which i think is a different and rather obvious one, that corporations don't have a single brain like humans do).

Life is not all "contract". There are many relationships where there is no contractual involvement. There is no basis in contract law, constitutional law, tort law, or the general common law for the idea that everything is "contract". it is a bogus legal theory proferred by scam artists who never studied the law.

The corporate veil exists for a lot of reasons, but generally, for when it would be sufficiently abusive to allow one to escape personal liability. Generally that takes the person acting having individually a mens rea/ intent and acting upon it, through the corporation, but it can also be due to undercapitalization, failure to observe corporate formalities, etc.

There doesn't need to be "contact to inherently violate the rights of etc.".

You make some really unusual claims, I don't care to tell you here what my qualifications are on contract law, but they are extensive, and it wouldn't matter to you anyway, since you have your own view, solitarily, of such things. No, I don't understand your view because I find it illogical and partially formed.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I never said life is all contract

and I really don´t know where you got that from.

When it comes to civil liabilities of a corporation then yes there is liability issues for a corporation's products. That does not require mens rea. So on the civil side we agree on the liability issue.

It is absolutely crazy to think a corporation can have mens rea though and the ability to commit a crime. What are you going to do put the articles of incorporation documents in a jail cell? This shows how completely nuts such a concept is.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

corporate crimes

There are crimes which have monetary penalties and regulatory penalties. Perhaps they should be called something other than crimes, but again, they exist.

I realize you don't think they should. Perhaps you don't believe they do. But they do exist.

To get a large punitive damages award, in the case I mentioned, one did indeed have to prove something analogous to a mens rea for the company. The company, as a company, made a decision. it's not that hard to understand. But stick to criminal cases if you dont believe me.

Google corporate crimes. They exist.

Oh, and I "get that from" you, because you post things which try to characterize the Constitution as a contract, for example, or reference "contracts to violate rights" as if that is how rights are violated. From experience, sovereign citizen pretenders will often try to claim taht criminal cases are somehow contractual, and you often mimic their theories.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Corp Crimes are not congruent within all law

People who think corporate crimes is more intellectual bankruptcy.

They should not be called crimes because a corporation cannot have mens rea as I said before.

They exist insofar as criminal men and confused men claiming to be government seek unlawful power over everything.

As far the Constitution being a contract in common law the reason for elements in a valid contract is because if all elements of a valid contract exist it IS a contract. This was to prevent a party from trying to say a contract did not exist when one did indeed exist and not let parties breach duty they had already agreed to. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and acts like a duck its a duck so to speak.

You and your sovcit nonsense has screwed up your brain. You don´t seem to realize that the whole sovcit thing is ADL psyop explicitly designed to confused. I don´t think youreally understand the depths of the infowar being waged against us.

If I tried to give a presentation on Constitutional bounds of government and a valid cause of action and common law right to face one´s accuser and maxim conflicts of current court operations to the court personnel d you think I would have access to do such a thing? I doubt it. ADL has access and even provides training to "law enforcement". Do you think I can provide training to law enforcement? Its a psyop dude and it has completely screwed up your brain and the minds of those in our courts. It is intentional and is bankster funded to further deepen the confusion and to subvert the people from being able to set precedent by making all novel arguments "sovereign citizen" domestic terrorists.

Wake up dude. We could really use more attorneys who can see through the lies and propaganda. Do we have to another drug war type scenario turn everything upside in our courts? Snap out of it!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

gibberish much?

1. The Constitution is not a contract and no, not all of the elements are there for a contract. In fact very few of them are. It doesn't quack like a duck. It rather quacks like a platypus, looks like a platypus, but hangs out around water and you have bad eyesight.

2. I know you don't like the idea of corporate crimes, but again, they exist. Deal with reality.

3. I can see through the lies. but you see a few lies that don't exist, in addition, and then in addition to that, make a few of your own up, and then follow some well worn lies for good measure.

So, wake yourself up.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Your incompetent

What ese can I say. Your brain got scrambled in law school I guess. You are definitely a great example of why this country has gone to hell and become the most criminal tyrannical empire in the history of the world.

You are truly insane. You have no idea how far this is going and far it is gone.

I saw how you said you got duped by GW Bush. While you got duped I was warning people of impending attack the neocons were going to commit on American Soil, they´re plans to go to pre-emptive offensive warfare across the globe, collapse the economy and bring in a fascist police state all the way back to 1998.

Did you know the Bush Family was the prime financial backer´s of the NAZI party, the largest drug king pins in the world laundering their money through the carlyle group and creating over $10 trillion per year in loans through drug money laundering and fractional reserve banking in their chinese banks and responsible for establishing the entire debt to China all through drug money and banking? I knew this in 1997 and was warning people of their plans to attack the US up until it happened all the while everyone was calling me a whack just liek you are here. It all goes WAY deeper than this and Americans will never come out of this until we come to terms with what real law is.

You seem to be a mega loser or possibly even one of the criminals themselves. I am done with you dude.

All offers for sharing info are done. You seem like a waste of time at this point if you are going to defend this madness even if the face of total destruction of the US.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

great thanks

that's probably the nicest thing I've been told all day!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I was actually beginning

to appreciate you at some point but the fail is tooooo much.

I would rather be allies than not but if you are going to say that the courts do not have to be accountable by explicitly obeying the rules of the court and state what capacity their operating under and what laws are applicable and that the Constitution does not have all elements in a valid contract then what good of an ally could you possibly be.

Every door for accountability in law by the people is shut for your thinking. Everything is assumed to be correct and everything is dependent upon what criminals setting case law say is ok.

The courts don't have to say what law they are operating under, they commit crimes and then they are the only ones who can decide whether or not they will be brought to justice and anyone who is investigating their crimes who is not them is "nuts".

I had hope that you might actually be a good guy but your failure seems so complete that there is no reason whether to consider you a good guy or not.

I actually appreciated you for about an hour or so but no I am back to thinking your one of the old ain't never beens.

If everything in the system is criminal then we are going to have to reach deeper than them into law to find real protections but that seems to be off the table for you. I use to accept the story too but that ended when I was about 15 years old.

sorry to be a dick but your failures offers no protections of law for the people and offers all the protections in the world for the criminals.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

ok, you want to know what law the court is under?

Buy a code book.

Or ask a lawyer. Sorry to be a dick, but even IF you're not stupid or crazy, but just misguided, you have no proper legal education and should get the advice of a lawyer. Hey, you don't have to, some people do their own dentistry also. But it certainly isn't reckless advice.

Did it occur to you that the mere fact that people don't answer your questions doesn't mean that your imagined fantasy response is correct? Or maybe I'm wrong and they are applying Vogon law secretly all this time. Or worse, maybe I am a Vogon and have a copy of the secret Vogon lawbook that is really used when your head is turned.

I actually don't wish to be adverse to you, but every post is full of two things = bad information and insults.

I don't need friends like that.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I've already read the cali codes

and the Cali Constitution in total more than once.

As far as an attorney, here is an example.

My company had a civil case brought against it for some bogus link to an accident of an off-duty employee of my company had last year by an ambulance chasing attorney.

My company has our own corporate attorney and the insurance company hired a law firm to handle the issue.

Both Attorneys handling the case did their standard work as normal but because of the circumstances and the obvious false claims by the plaintiff (outright provable lie made by them obviously sourced in a standard format to limit liability of them) I presented to the attorneys that I wanted to challenge jurisdiction for lack of standing by the plaintiff (the plaintiff had clear standing against the man who worked at my company who was not on-duty but not my company) and I informed the attorneys that once jurisdiction was challenged on the basis that the claims were false that if the plaintiff did not immediately drop the case that my company wanted to immediately file a counter suit against the plaintiff and be a counter plaintiff which is clearly allowable in the Cali code of civil procedure. The attorneys told me that I could not do that.

I then provided the exact code explicitly allowing this and then they said that this was not how things were done. Not because it wasn't allowable but because of basic understanding of how the judges operate and they did not want to "piss off the judge". I stood firm and formally filed my presentment to my Attorneys. Not only did they not re-present my presentment to the plaintiff and court but they went their standard direction. Not cool with me because they are there to represent not be the deciders. I knew their route was the safer route but the problem was I have a small company and this was a MAJOR burden on me and disrupted my timelines for deliveries to major clients. My goal was to challenge the plaintiff's standing based on their clear lies about the facts but I wanted to go after the plaintiff's attorneys BAR card if they did not immediately drop the case because I knew how they do such things with private investigators to limit their own liability and provide cover for themselves. I also knew the plaintiff's attorneys would drop it immediately if they knew what I knew but I was willing to go for the throat so to speak of not only the attorney by going after their bar card if they didn't back off but also go after the private investigator for their fraudulent scheme of providing cover to the attorneys for their false claims and outright lies.

I knew this would be the fastest way out and cost the least for the insurance company and take the least amount of my time because they would have just dropped the case immediately. I also wanted discovery to find out how in the hell they ever linked the guy to my company in the first place because it was never disclosed by the man employed in any police reports. They got the info somewhere and casted a wide phishing net over everything financially connected to the guy which the attorneys told me was becoming the norm in such cases.

The attorneys did not want to do this because that would not have made them as much money to do it the standard route which would be dragged out for nearly a year.

The attorneys did what they wanted to do regardless of my presentment and they were shocked when I knew and demonstrated the code that I could counterclaim immediately.

Then once they went through all their mumbo jumbo bs the insurance appointed attorney took all the facts from my very thorough documentation and made their response the attorney missed the word NOT in literally hundreds of lines in the response filings that was saying the man was NOT under agency or capacity of my company at the time of the incident. The attorneys work resulting is saying repeatedly that the man was under capacity instead of NOT under capacity of my company. The sack dick attorney had basically just typed one predicate of the sentence with the exact opposite conclusion and then copied it into every line of the documents. I had to correct the assholes work myself and then when it was finalized and I went to sign the papers the attorney had the signature line as declaring truth and correct under penalty of perjuring in the signature line. I told the attorney that I would never accept criminal liability for filing such a document with the court and just like your arrogant ass he thought I was some nutcase who did not know the law and thought this was going to cause major problems. The attorney explained to me how he had been practicing law for 25 years and he 'knew' what he was talking about.

I told the attorney that I would only sign under the nullity of God and explained to him the entire history of why the oath was under God in common law and sent him all the background from various States on why the oath had been changed to accepting criminal liability for perjury from under God because of stupid ignorant atheist not recognizing God in court oaths and thus the courts changing it to EITHER god or accepting liability as an accepted oath for the court. Then the attorney went and looked it up in Cali code and his own firms internal procedures manuals and sure enough there it was in BOTH that either form of oath was indeed valid. Then he was like well I have been doing this for 25 years and had never heard of such a thing and that well you 'learn something new everyday'. Not only did I know it was there but more importantly I knew WHY it was there and he had no idea that it was there OR why it was ever God or why it was changed. So after having to waste a bunch of time thanks to his ignorant ass he finally changed the doc and I signed under God. The plaintiff dropped the case and the insurance ended up dropping my company after my company won the case through dropping the claims by the plaintiff.

The whole time the attorneys were saying that it is becoming normal for a wide net to be cast in such circumstances but I wanted to use this opportunity to put a stop to it and show the insurance companies how to save money and put a stop to this phishing scam. No one wanted to do it because everyone was making money off of 'not pissing off the judge'. I really think they saw me as a threat to their little game of lets not piss off the judge and milk it for a little while and still get a victory out of it. It was multiple fails the whole time and they even try to hide the fact that one could be a counter plaintiff right out of the gate if necessary. Ending it immediately with jurisdictional challenge on standing and letting the other side know it will be blood so to speak and they will be exposed if they don't just drop it was not as profitable for them and the insurance company was not willing to take the chance of spending a little now (if necessary) to end this bs scam practice by the scumbag ambulance chasers so they won't have to spend so much down the road.

Weak and incompetent bastards. So don't tell me about getting an attorney. They make money at this game and have no interest other than maximizing their profits off conflict. Of course you will probably say they could have possibly made more money doing what I said but that is not the case at all and when I told them I was aware of the scheme with PIs providing cover for this it was apparent that they saw this as a threat to a bigger picture that is going on as a regular practice under a gentlemen's agreement between attorneys. I also really wanted to find out how they got the link to my company because it was clear to that the info had to come from the State and I wanted to file suit against the State for enabling such private information to be accessible to enable such a scheme.

So yes I am no dummy. I have worked and work with attorneys on a regular basis for business as an executive of my company and have much more dirty details about the practice of US Attorneys that is so damn criminal it will make everyone sicker than they already are at the state of our "government".

Remember when I said I destroyed the courts logic inone of my own traffic cases when I got that one loss? It was over that same oath issue and the commissioner failed so bad because he did not allow my words to be considered because I wouldn't take the oath according to his attempt to extort me into a contract for liability of perjury and I took the oath under God. The commissioners knew nothing of this either just like my company's attorneys in the civil case and the commissioner block my facts from being heard and made a complete ass out of himself by absolutely failing at his own game because arrogance and ignorance of law. I knew the law but I had to deal with their failures and arrogance because they just think I am some sovcit because they got brainwashed by targeted ADL propaganda intended to write their minds with confusion.

It is never ending fail by nearly everyone in this field because they just want to control and be arrogant assholes saying you need to go to law school and learn the law or get an attorney who can help you (drain your wallet??) when they don't know what the hell they are doing themselves.

I am way more experienced than you think. I know their normal interpretations like you constantly demonstrate here claiming that it is all about case law but that is not correct at all. The oath was changed by rules of the court and civil procedure changing for very specific historical reasons that will NEVER show up in case law. There are many other places in law that will NEVER show up in case law because it is not within the nature of these things to ever show up in case law because they are mutually exclusive to case law ever being able to be set.

More fail and incompetence from you chicken. Maybe its time to change your DP account name again to 'Indian Fail Ale'. This would be more fitting.

You arrogant attorneys have destroyed America with assuming you are always and everyone else is wrong. Your ignorance and arrogance is going to cause a war in this country if the people cannot be heard and the system humble themselves before the facts and history. Of course that's exactly what the ADL wants. They want concentration camps and death camps and they maximum confusion because they want America to tear itself apart from arrogant confusion all in the name of preventing these scenarios.

You big dummy!!

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

don't have time to read this today

but I've had "bad clients" before too that wanted to do things that would "piss of the judge" thinking that the judge would somehow forget that you are trying to make his or her courtroom into a three ring circus. You should take your attorney's advice. I know you, (and you in particular need to hear this), you may think you are smarter than everyone but those are the clients that make the most and biggest mistakes; your attorney really IS more knowledgeable and experienced in litigating than you - almost any attorney would be - and either follow their advice or fire them and lose horrendously.

What makes no sense is to hire a lawyer and then second guess everything with amateur reasoning.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Read it and you will see their idiotic mistakes

If I would have just let the sack dick attorney handle things I would have had a mess on my hands by having an admission to the exact opposite of the facts. You really need to read this post in full because this is your mainstream world of "law" practice.

Total incompetence and a waste of time and resources. If the judge would have gotten pissed off for trying to get to the true facts of the release of private info then that judge would have been protecting criminals and ensuring more problems for innocent people down the road. The guy who was involved in the accident did get screwed through the wide phishing net they cast because they filed against defunct corporations the guy had in the past that were uninsured and had to pay out of pocket to defend entities that had not been in operation for 10 years all because somehow the plaintiff's attorneys were able to get all private information about his affairs. No protections of law and no accountability for intentional false claims by an ambulance chasing attorney.

This is your world that you so highly regard as reserved only for your elite expensive peers "legal" services. Your presumptive response demonstrates the very arrogance I condemn in the facts presented above. You attorneys' arrogance and buddy club with the criminals claiming to be "courts" is exactly what is destroying the people's access to the protections of law.

Drop the arrogance and humble yourself to the legitimate concerns of good and competent people who may just happen to be knowledgeable in law but not have law degrees. As I demonstrated above you might just learn something and not make an ass out of yourself in the process. Other people can be knowledgeable of law too. Show some respect when respect is deserved. My only goal is protection of innocent people and fair remedy for injury. What could be more honorable than that?

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I'll read it later

but i suspect you are seeing things that aren't there, which is a pattern of yours. I suspect there'll be a whole lot of unanswered questions that you say "must" be concluded in teh way you say.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Not like other posts

this is your game in this particular post.

You will probably have some disagreements with my strategies but the failures are black and white this time dealing with paperwork errors and submission to something in code that altered the outcome. You seemingly being a religious/spiritual man you may recognize a greater significance with the particular failure learned by my attorney.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

we'll see

I'll read it later, seriously.

I'll just make an observation, the term "black and white" keeps coming up with you.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Cricket much?


The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Thanksgiving much?

this isn't my top priority, I'll respond later.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein