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What Happens when someone playing 'knockout' targets a CCW holder?

They get shot. Them getting shot puts fear into anyone thinking about playing that game in the future.


"Knockout; The object, target an innocent victim for no other reason than they are there, then sucker punch him or her.

But on this day in Lansing, there would be no punch. The teen-age attacker had a stun gun. He did not know his would-be victim was carrying a legally concealed pistol.

The teen lost the game."

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I'm just glad to hear no one

I'm just glad to hear no one lost a life. It's obvious the boy feels bad. He's lucky the gun owner had kindness in his heart.

People forget that they were teens once. I was a teen and I did bad things. I grew up in a bad neighborhood, dysfunctional family, etc. etc. etc. I'm just glad I made it out alive, not in jail, and no one killed me--but I was shot at a few times so I'm lucky too.

Some of these kids are animals, I get it, but not all, some are just in bad situations hanging around other kids in bad situations. That's the trap and you have to be smart and lucky to escape. Very few do....

Second chances

Yep, you got another chance... lucky, smart whatever, sounds like it worked out just capital for you and I'm happy for you. I've had second chances too, appreciated the opportunity, learned from it and made adjustments.

This teen MADE the CCW dude enter into a game of chance. The teen threw his life into the "kitty" voluntarily... drew the losing hand and if the CCW dude wins a game he didn't want to play, can drag the "kitty" with the teen's life in it. Its his choice.

That being said I would truly hope the teen gets it together, helps himself and others in the future.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

I couldn't have said it better myself...

I feel really sorry that our world creates teens like these :( only facing the consequences of their bad behavior will turn them around and looks like that happened with this one, lets hope so

The world doesn't "create"

The world doesn't "create" these teens, their own decisions and actions make them who they are. These predators are self-created. Please don't make them out to be victims.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Wow! There's so much

Wow! There's so much stupidity in your comment it's unbelievable. You obviously either don't have kids, or your kids grew up the wrong way.

Most certainly the world creates these kids. AMERICA creates these kids. From all the places I've lived and visited, I think the USA an Brazil have the most dangerous, reckless and violent teens on Earth. Why? Toxic communities and environments. How do these get created? Government.

I am a kid who grew up in a bad neighborhood. My life was mapped out for me. I was lucky. I also had a parent who tried to teach me right from wrong early on, before her life turned for the worse. Those values stick with you if they are taught to you early enough. If it wasn't for those early lessons, I would have ended up like guys in my neighborhood--in jail, drugged out, dead. Instead I live in Asia and run my own business.

No one can raise themselves. Everyone needs role models, teachers, a parent who cares, maybe even a neighbor.

Don't be such a dumbshit!

Hahaha. Are you serious?!

Hahaha. Are you serious?! Calling me a dumbshit?! Preach all you want and condone life threatening behavior all you want, I don't care. It won't get me to condone the violence that you applaud.

First of all, you don't know me. I do have a child. I love children. I coach children, therefore, I mentor children. Stop making stupid assumptions about me and/or my offspring.

This kid threatened and wanted to kill another man for fun...FOR FUN. Then he lied about it, trying to blame the actual victim for being the predator to deflect the blame because he refused to take responsibility. Go ahead and make all the excuses you want for him. Go on, keep trying. I guess you find these actions to be excusable. Whatever. We'll have to disagree.

I can't make a guess as to why you're on this website, but I'll say that I found my way to Ron Paul and this website because I consider myself a libertarian. I know, a lot of people on here are not libertarian (you are a perfect example). I believe in NAP. I will only resort to violence to protect myself when I feel that my life is endangered. Obviously, based on what you stated, you feel that violence towards innocents is justified because of stupidity (you made it clear in your post)...both your own when you were younger and the violence of this kid in the attached story.

In this case, the kid threatened another man's life and then lied about it. This was not a situation where the kid broke into the guy's car and then felt badly about it. Nope, this kid physically threatened another man FOR FUN and lied about it to save his own a$$. I'm not sure what part of this you're missing. Condone it all you want by making excuses.

With that said, and despite a bunch of nasty assumptions by you in your comment, I'll agree with you on one point. The government does create a lot of violence.

Have a nice evening.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

LOL! He tried to tazer

LOL! He tried to tazer someone, not kill him. He didn't even try to punch him... it was just a freak'n tazer!!!!

You know what's worse than I tazer, to throw snowballs or rocks at people's cars! How many kids in your suburb neighborhood do that each year???? It has to be the #1 attack teens and pre-teens do in the suburbs... should they be shot for that too?????????????

Anyone who says the crap you do is obviously a dumbshit! Sorry, but you're a freak'n moron.

voice of reason...thank you bigsurjune

our society and policies have "created" a culture of kids who are given "insentives" for non production. Non-productive humans are really NON GOOD for society --- why can't we see what we are "creating" and feel pain for that...argh! instead a fair amount of people on this forum just get angry and think that I am giving "excuses" for violent behavior - of course I am not! But seriously, when young teens are acting out, why can't we look at the cause and the motivation?? Just as RP has told us for years about the motivation for terrorism....same think, don't u think?

You are making excuses for

You are making excuses for violent behavior. I read your posts.

What about all the teens that don't act out in violence? Are they abnormal because they DON'T act out? Please. There are a hell of a lot more kids that behave than threaten and try to kill people like this kid and others like him. Your words imply that you're condoning violent behavior simply because kids are being kids, programmed by others.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

They behave because they were

They behave because they were taught right from wrong from an adult with common sense. They weren't raised by the jungle!!!!!!

It sounds like you are

It sounds like you are implying that any child NOT raised by an adult with "common sense" is expected to be violent and should be excused when committing violent acts.

All of my schools as a child were highly integrated. There were bad seeds of all backgrounds. However, in response to your comment, I knew plenty of kids (I played sports in all seasons) that came up in very broken homes, parents in and out of jail and/or rehab, etc., and many of these kids (lots that were friends of mine) did not resort to violence simply because they were lacking a perfect situation in their homes. They learned and understood respect for others and ramifications if/when they did not "behave". Furthermore, I knew plenty of kids that came up in the "perfect" home environment, and that formula didn't guarantee respectful, non-crime committing adults.

Sure, this is a small sample size (that being "my experience"), but I don't think my experience is that isolated.

"Villains wear many masks, but none as dangerous as the mask of virtue." - Washington Irvin

Ah yes, youth of today.

Ah yes, youth of today.

Southern Agrarian

apparently somebody listened to r3VOL gunnie Denny Ducet's

"Glock Out" advice; okay, so the Michigan CCW defender's was a S&W, be that as it may.o) And, what a nice guy: he clearly had far more patience and heart, even against his would be attacker than the current generation of cops in same situation, ever would:

Stop "Knock Out" Game With Glock Out

Denny Ducet
Published on Nov 20, 2013

If thugs want to play "knock out" then you have the right to pull your "GLOCK OUT". A head injury is a life altering, life threatening injury. It is attempted murder. If someone approaches you and attempts to assault you or kill you with a knock out punch, you have the right to self defense.

Though, bump-firing a Suchka, aka Krink? Also good to go, in my book. LOL 'overkill?' What overkill?

How To Protect Yourself From The "Knock Out" Game?

Published on Nov 20, 2013
Here's two examples ;)

Predictions in due Time...

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Remember though, I gun wont

Remember though, I gun wont do anything if you get suprise-clocked to the back of the head.

First things first is situational awareness, I have trained myself to always be aware of everything around me including looking back periodically and noticing places you can get sneaked up from. Whenver you go for a walk imagine yourself suddenly in a tactical situation, where are escape points, cover or places others may be hiding? If you do it enough it just becomes engrained into you in your everyday life.

Anyway that is my .02

+1 for self defense btw

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

The shooter took a BIG risk

The shooter took a BIG risk firing into the buttocks.
It looks like the attacker was fleeing...
Much better to have tapped the attacker in the left temple while the attacker was still facing the victim.
That would clearly have been self defense.


As is the case with many armed gov't worker (aka Cops) executing an unarmed animal that is running away, or a Citizen reaching for a basketball, etc., etc. the reasonable and logical reason for the shooting is always, "I was in fear for my life."

Remember this get out of jail card phrase - always repeat it. Say nothing else....if you're going to say anything else.

May peace always be your journey

You friggen lunatic! Did you

You friggen lunatic! Did you read the story??? The guy did exactly the best thing he could do. It worked out and hopefully the boy changes his life.

You make gun owners look bad, pal!

Easy LeftCoast

It seemed obvious that the victim was past standing his ground because he shot the perp in the behind.

Had the victim done that in the next town, or precinct he MAY have faced a charge for shooting when there was no longer a threat.

Have you ever worked in a prison?
Have you ever worked in a homeless shelter?

These perps think the words, "I'm sorry" is a magic phrase that gets you off the hook.
And they have about a ten minute phase of remorse.
Then it's on to the next victim.

"Perp?" It was some stupid

"Perp?" It was some stupid teen!!!! Your language and terms prove your just a fascist, Big Government, inbred idiot. Probably spent time in the military and think you understand how the world works by spending time in some war zone.

Personally, I would have found more pleasure in just taking the kid down and breaking his arm. But of course I'm a real man and don't need a gun to walk around... but then again I live in Asia and not lunatic USA.

Relax Jackie ChanYou can

Relax Jackie Chan
You can have your TV fantasies.
I'll take legal, self defense every time.
Why should my family be deprived of my presence and support for ANYONE who would jeopardize it.

The days of talking are coming to an end. In large part because so many PERPS just don't give a f-u-c-k. Insanity doesn't respond to reason.
Just 20-30 years ago I 'talked' many violent individuals and small mobs into a course of reason. It's far less likely to happen now.My whole life has been working with the bottom of the human barrel.
Since 1971 I have worked;
A private residential school for 'juvenile' delinquents http://tinyurl.com/m5z4obg
Department of Corrections http://www.ct.gov/doc/site/default.asp
Founder of a pre-release prison program to help insure inmates successful re-entry in society. http://tinyurl.com/lf84xnt
So I know a thing or two about a thing or two.

Jackie Chan!


LOL! You prove my point.

LOL! You prove my point. You're a fascist. You purposely took jobs to be an enforcer for the State... and guess what???? All your Big Government bullshit work made things worse, not better!!! The US is a hellhole, and yes people, especially teens, are getting worse. But you have to bear some of the responsibility. Your entire career was spent keeping a boot on the necks of these people. Everything you hate about society--I know because youre on the Daily Paul--you have contributed to.

Go look in the mirror and ask yourself, how could I spend my life helping to build a society that I truly despise???

You have issues, pal.

BTW, you chose to work in that industry with those people, you must have related in many ways.

bigsurjune, My first life was about supporting angry children

like YOU in taking control of their lives and succeeding. Read monkey. Read.

Great photo,


Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17


Asian governments?
Nope, no big totalitarian statist governments there O.o
The near perfect example of what government becomes when "real men" turn in their guns.

Ill keep my crazy liberty thank you.

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

I don't live in China. Even

I don't live in China.

Even so, China has more of a freemarket than the US. In China, you can start a business cheaply. You can provide for your family. If you want to raise pigs at home, you can. If you want to sell raw milk, you can. If you have some new alternative medicine, you can sell it.

Try that in the US. "You'll need a license for that, son."

You forgot getting arrested

You forgot getting arrested for your belief in God then executed so your organs can be sold to the rich?

Or shot for voicing your political belief in a peaceful manner.

Then there is that forced abortion thing. You know where they slay your child because you tried to have to many.

How about trying to own a fire arm?

Yup once again "CHINA the land of the free".

True the American government sux, but America still sux less than any where else.

We just b!+ch here because we do not want to degenerate in to the direction our government is trying to take us, becoming more like CHINA.

Sure our grand parents got lazy and let too many rights slip away to an ever growing government. But unlike ALL OF ASIA we kept the one most important right of all, it's called the 2nd amendment "son".
Us civilians retain the ability to take it back by force it's called 300 million civilian guns "son".
America brought freedom into this world and we are about to restore it.

So you just sit back in your Chinese made beach chair and watch the beginning credits before the show.
The tree of liberty is about to be refreshed by the blood of patriots and tyrants.

"As for me, give me liberty or give me death." (not a Chinese quote)

"You only live free if your willing to die free."


Yes, and in reality the perp tried to cover up his deed by claiming he only pulled out the tazer to see it. For someone to attempt to hide from his own crime the community at large should not condone that behaviour.

Once you allow this type of injustice to develop, more of the same will follow.

Dude, he's young, of course

Dude, he's young, of course he lies. All kids lie. Every single person that works at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs lies--if not they would never get the job. Some psychologists believe kids that lie early and often without being taught are highly intelligent.

And the rest of the story is...

("...kids that lie early and often without being taught are highly intelligent.)
...and end up in Congress.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17