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Have Daily Paul followers Become Anti-Christian?

I have encountered many people in the freedom movement who reject who are even hostile to us Christians. I notice people persecute me for writing a prayer about asking God. We will lose this battle for the republic without divine providence. Do you agree or do many of you think you can win without God's help or have disdain for us God fearing people. I do not care if a person is a christian or not. Respect the right to worship or not to worship. But there are some mocking us in the movement saying we are the liability.

the truth is we do not have a prayer to win back the republic if we reject divine providence. DO you agree.



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SteveMT's picture

I like your take on this. The Golden Rule transcends religion.

The Golden Rule has been found in ancient texts from Greece, Egypt, Babylon, Persia, India and other countries. Not all of these texts are expressly religious or philosophical. For example, in Homer's Odyssey, which is believed to have been written sometime in 600-800 B.C., one character states, “I will be as careful for you as I should be for myself in the same need.
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-golden-rule.htm

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Dalai Lama:"Every religion emphasizes human improvement, love, respect for others, sharing other people's suffering. On these lines every religion had more or less the same viewpoint and the same goal."

Origin unknown: The Law of One: "We are all one. When one is harmed, all are harmed. When one is helped, all are healed"

Overview:

The Ethic of Reciprocity -- often called the Golden Rule in Christianity -- simply states that we are to treat other people as we would wish to be treated ourselves.

Almost all organized religions have such an ethic. It is normally intended to apply to the entire human race. Unfortunately, it is too often applied by some people only to fellow believers.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm

It seems that some have

Become anti-Ron Paul. Some if not many of the comments here don't seem very Ron Paul like, much less Jesus like! The word "Christian" was a derogatory term in the bible used by the Pharasees to describe the followers of Jesus Christ. It was used to mock, by saying "you Christians"! Jesus taught a new way, but never forced it on anyone! Isn't that the principle of liberty? I believe that Revelation 17 where it talks about the white prostitue riding on the red beast might just be speaking of "Christianity" as a religion, the very thing Christ came to abolish! If that's the case, the white prostitute (the bride of Christ) would be the church and the red beast would be the blood of Christ, portrayed as a religion called "Christianity". The only time Jesus ever even got mad was when He ran the merchants (corporations) out of the temple and over turned the tables of the money changers (bankers). Sounds like End The Fed to me! Sounds like we all want what Christ did, whether we believe He did it of not! I happen to believe He did, hence the fall of the Roman Empire and that it will happen again! I guess time will tell!

no

i have no idea what divine providence means to you

but if you think it's the only way, then keep doing it

forget nay-sayers; don't try to "recruit" them

today I prayed to Freddie Mercury but I don't expect anyone else to :)

I can't speak for anyone

I can't speak for anyone else, but I reject religious superstitious nonsense and the accompanying martyr mentality from zealots who love the idea that they are constantly being persecuted for their beliefs, when in fact they are acting in a holier-than-thou manner that invites scorn.

Of course you do.

Of course you do.

The idea that God would be

The idea that God would be supportive of ANY government is offensive to me. Too many "Christians" seem to equate George Washington and all the American mythologies with the Kingdom of God. It's disgusting and it's probably the reason why so many libertarians get so annoyed with the whole thing.

To a Christian, the Kingdom of God should be the ONLY legitimate government. Where God himself is king and father. It's funny but Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be the only organized faith that actually believes and practices that (refusing to salute the flag, take loyalty oaths, serve in any capacity of government service, especially in the military, etc), yet they're attacked and scoffed at by every other "Christian" faith.

SteveMT's picture

Your comment is great.

"The idea that God would be supportive of ANY government is offensive to me."
The antithesis is the reality. The opposite is usually what is attempted by governments. They try and align themselves with God. The Nazis tried it with the "Gott mitt uns" supported by Hitler.
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Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited."

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

Hitler remained a Catholic all his life, and the Catholic Church never excommunicated him.
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We did this also with the "Manifest Destiny."

Im a christian

But, my beliefs are mine only. I share to those who want to hear. If someone asked me i would gladly share my beliefs, but this site isn't one of the sites, it isn't called the daily christian, nor can you share religion over the internet. I come here for liberty, and idea's, and love, not for religion.

No, I'm just anti these

No, I'm just anti these ridiculous posts..

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

The concept of religion is suppose to unite not divide...

What is your intention?

I Have Little Sympathy For The Tyrants of Fundamentalism

To put this in biblical terms; "You reap what you sow".

From what I've seen, Christian fundamentalists routinely go around attacking individuals and judging everyone to hell and all that blah-blah. But now you want me to feel sorry for you because some of us Daily Paulers won't kiss your ass?

Sorry, this is a new age. This is the time when we can say fuck Israel. Fuck Israel. This is the new age in which I can tell you take your religious beliefs and shove them. This is the new age where I can destroy one myth after another in order to get closer to reality. I used to be a fire-breathing moronic Christian, but then I started using my brain and free'd myself from the tyranny of being a mindless, regurgitating clone-for-Christ. I crave my liberty and that means liberty from tyrants of religion.

Perhaps you "Christians" are starting to reap what you've sown?

Maybe one day I'll personally be more charitable or understanding and give you guys a big hug, but for now I have no sympathy for the tyrants of fundamental religion. You've done enough damage to individual liberty, now move out of the way.

Professing Christian Only!

By your very words you show that you never were truly "Born Again"
by the Spirit of God ( I am sorry to say ), but only professed to be a follower of Christ who followed for a while, and then had fallen away as a great many have done throughout the ages.

I am NOT judging you, just explaining to others that there is a vast difference between calling yourself a "Christian" and truly living as one, it is your very words that judge yourself.

One who is truly Born Again of the Spirit of God could never be a "Used to be Christian" but presses on unto the very end, having their faith tried in the furnace of this life on earth.

Religion is of man and that is why there are so many divisions between the different so called "faiths".

That is also spoken of in the Scriptures as a sign of the very end time.

God is NOT the author of confusion.....satan is!

Peace everyone

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

I could not compute any of

I could not compute any of your nonsense. Good luck with it.

Of course you couldn't

As the Good Book tells us, these are they who are spiritually discerned.

Peace

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

SteveMT's picture

Do you see any historic hypocrisy here?

Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

Curious

You "used to be a fire-breathing moronic Christian"?

And by this, perhaps you are reaping what you have sown? Surely you sowed some pretty bad stuff before you used that chemical vat you are pleased to call a brain.
And then there is this.. "I started using my brain and free'd myself from the tyranny of being a mindless, regurgitating clone-for-Christ."
When you 'chose' to use your brain, what made the choice? Wasn't it your brain? Or would that be your mind? Is there a difference? What is that difference?
Shouldn't you pity those still under bondage? Or is this pitiless because it is self imposed? What could possibly be wrong with self imposed tyranny? For that matter, what's wrong with tyranny? Is this preaching you do based on some higher law that we Christians are in violation of, but yet obligated too? Is so, where did this come from? Who has established this law and by what authority?

Or is this moral rant just some personal prejudice of your own, arising from the jabbering neurons in your bone box? If so, then who cares and so what?

A few questions for the awaken 'brain' (LOL!). We look forward to some answers.

A hundred questions and yet

A hundred questions and yet no inquiry of value.

But still I am intrigued by your post. You seem to ask many questions, have you ever wondered those questions yourself? Why do you seem to be answering your own questions? Are you purposefully injecting a condescending tone into your questions? Do you normally talk believing yourself to be superior to a peer or stranger? What is your true purpose with slamming the poster with so many questions?

Perhaps you are afraid of an intellectual debate as to the real liberty gained when one frees him/herself from the shackles of religion?

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

"have you ever wondered those

"have you ever wondered those questions yourself?"
Yes
"Why do you seem to be answering your own questions?"
They were either "yes/no" questions, or open ended with no answer offered from me. But the respondent is free to elaborate all they like. Feel free to do so yourself.
"Are you purposefully injecting a condescending tone into your questions?"
I was shooting for a bit of sarcasm. So no, I was not purposely injecting a condescending tone.. a fine line perhaps. But what's interesting here is that you choose to ask this of me, while the post I was responding too painted Christians with "mindless, regurgitating clone-for-Christ". Is this condescending? Does this not have the feel of superiority? Do you have a real problem with those traits, or just when it flies in one direction? What a hoot!
"Do you normally talk believing yourself to be superior to a peer or stranger?"
No. But the question implies that I have done so here. Do you often make accusations disguised as genuine questions?
"What is your true purpose with slamming the poster with so many questions?"
To get answers and spark further discussion. The questions ran along a fairly singular line of thought - If you are an atheist, where does all this preaching come from? And those formatted as simple "yes vs no" question wouldn't take long to answer. Give it a go yourself. I'm answering yours.

"Perhaps you are afraid of an intellectual debate as to the real liberty gained when one frees him/herself from the shackles of religion?"
Before a meaningful debate can occur, one must define terms and set up the parameters of what is in dispute. And I prefer to set the discussion at the most fundamental level. Is there something wrong in an atheist universe with self imposed shackles? If so, explain why it is wrong in a way consistent with your atheism.

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I'm very happy to see xtians find the thoughts of libertarianism.

I had a number of xtian friends at one time and even investigated the religion, but when these same people became gleeful at the deaths of a million innocent people in the Arab lands in return for the deaths of 3000 people in the US, I was so appalled I gave up on them. (An eye for an eye??) I mentioned that the wars might be related to oil and they said "well, I like cheap oil". It was then that I realized just how much relativism has invaded the religion. "Born Agains" say "Praise God" and then seem to do whatever they want since they believe their actions will be forgiven on Sunday. I don't know any "Born Agains" now. I'm sure I still know some xtians, but if they keep their religion to themselves, I don't care. I avoid proselytizing xtians like the plague.

The funny thing to me is how much like homosexuals proselytizing xtians actually are. Everything has to be "in your face". I expect to see "xtian pride" parades with funny little outfits at any moment. My wife is a papist, despite my teasing about perverts and cover-ups in the religion. We just avoid the subject mostly. I've only known one person in my life that lived her life according to her Christian beliefs. She's gone now, but I admire her still.

So has the DP turned against Xtians? I don't see it. I do wish Xtians would learn to just practice their faith quietly and let others practice their faith as they please. No one cares about your personal religious beliefs. If you need them to behave, I personally am happy you've found what you need in life. I have lived without organized religion my whole life and don't need it now. No one should care what I believe. If you think everyone has to believe what you believe for the sake of the country, you're very wrong.

GoodSamaritan's picture

Jesus Christ, Libertarian

I thought your opening sentence somewhat odd given that Jesus is often considered the ultimate libertarian. Upon further reading, though, it appears that you were turned off to Christianity by fundamentalists who hold a relatively recent (1830s) and unorthodox view of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

That doctrine paints a rather bizarre scenario around the modern Middle East and the Christian's relationship to it based upon a severe misinterpretation of apocalyptic language used in Revelation concerning the overthrow of Jerusalem and the end of the Old Covenant circa 70 AD.

Several articles on Christianity and libertarianism you might find useful:

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig11/mullen-t2.1.1.html

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52686

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/biblical-case/

http://americanvision.org/5615/libertarianism-a-presuppositi...

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

True libertarianism rejects

True libertarianism rejects all institutions, religion included. The founders purposely excluded any mention of ANY religion in the founding documents.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

GoodSamaritan's picture

Then I guess true libertarianism disagrees with Murray Rothbard

[T]he libertarian movement, and the Libertarian Party, will get nowhere in America – or throughout the world – so long as it is perceived, as it generally is, as a movement dedicated to atheism...Nock, Morley, Chodorov, Flynn et al. were not atheists, but for various accidental reasons of history, the libertarian movement after the 1950′s consisted almost exclusively of atheists...There is nothing inherently wrong with this, except that many libertarians have habitually and wrongly acted as if religious people in general and Christians in particular are pariahs and equivalent to statists. - Murray Rothbard

See http://www.lewrockwell.com/2011/03/laurence-m-vance/is-liber...

This talk was given at the 2011 Austrian Scholars Conference at the Mises Institute.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

Don't forget RP himself who is also a devout Christian.

:)

He doesn't flaunt it, but he is.

And the good Doctor was also this year's

keynote speaker at the Roman Catholic Fatima Conference.

Respecting the ideals of faith doesn't promote intolerance for others of different faiths. Like liberty, it brings people together.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Re your Faith in Jesus

"the truth is we do not have a prayer to win back the republic if we reject divine providence."

Only The Atonement of Jesus can Save our Beloved Constitution.

In my Church, the Mormon Church (aka The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints), it is foretold that the Constitution will hang by mere threads, and then, if people turn to God, He will send help from members of all Christian Vines, and also good Liberty minded people everywhere.

Thank you for the prayers you have posted; but do not find offense in those who do not like your prayers. Daily Paul is a Co-ordination and Education site for me. We have to be respectful if we disagree.

Peace and Grace,
Kyle

Only Repentance, and Faith in the Atonement of Jesus The Lamb will Save our Beloved Constitution.

Try reading one verse before you start your car.

Please view my Indie Movie; "Sisters Go Ye Trailer 2" on Youtube

Yeah, well....

...a lot of LDS thought that was Mitt Romney, didn't they?

Thank you for including "good Liberty minded

people everywhere" in your statement. Many Christians are quick to forget Matthew 25:34-40

34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat ; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink ; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink ? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

I am born deep in a forest jungle

and have never heard of Jesus, have no concept of a god or concepts like religion, know nothing of books like the bible or quran, yet live peacefully upon this earth with my fellow human beings and all other living creatures. I am content, treat all with respect and in harmony with the earth and nature. I live, breath and die.

Jesus did not create Christianity. He simply lived and demonstrated a lifestyle that resonated with many people, including Ron Paul.

beephree

no

He specifically said what his purpose was and it was not to live some " lifestyle ", but specifically to fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament.

It is remarkable to me that people blindly accept

something written by other people thousands of years ago, yet are the same people that realize how much their own government lies to them. Religion is about control, and unless you actually met Jesus and had a conversation with him and spent time with him, you have no idea what he stood for or what he was about. It is all pure speculation and conjectured writing by people wanting to control other people. Sorry.

beephree