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Have Daily Paul followers Become Anti-Christian?

I have encountered many people in the freedom movement who reject who are even hostile to us Christians. I notice people persecute me for writing a prayer about asking God. We will lose this battle for the republic without divine providence. Do you agree or do many of you think you can win without God's help or have disdain for us God fearing people. I do not care if a person is a christian or not. Respect the right to worship or not to worship. But there are some mocking us in the movement saying we are the liability.

the truth is we do not have a prayer to win back the republic if we reject divine providence. DO you agree.




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Religion may be about

Religion may be about control, but Christianity is about freedom, specifically freedom of choice over your eternal life, and freedom from sin.

"and unless you actually met Jesus and had a conversation with him and spent time with him, you have no idea what he stood for or what he was about."

Well that is nonsense, I guess you can just give up on all of recorded history since you know, you weren't there.

IF Religion = Control &

IF
Religion = Control & Christianity = Religion
THEN
Christianity = Control

ALSO

IF
Christianity = Religion & Islam = Religion
THEN
Christianity = Islam

There is not 1 thing that a Christian can say that would prove his god is superior that a Muslim would not be able to repeat for his side equally as supported by their respective texts.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Silly.

Correlation is not causation.

Let me rephrase your logic.

Flamingo = Pink
Flamingo = Animal
Elephant = Animal
Elephant = Pink

Do you not see how silly that logic is?

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Fear not. You are in good shape.

If you see Divinity manifested in the structure of all things both small and large and your actions reflect that knowledge, you are in good shape.

I think this was a "Daily Paul" site first, but......

I think this was a "Daily Paul" site first and has become many things to many different types of people now. I would take a guess that liberty is probably now the main reasoning behind keeping up with the DP, but that's just my opinion.

I will add this though, and will probably get hammered for it, but I agree with the idea that liberty isn't just freedom. It's freedom and morality. You can't just have chaotic freedom, and we cant/won't just have moral law ( theocracy ). I think society has a moral problem as well as an oppressive government. ( And believe me, i'm no angel and have trouble following a moral code, but I sure can see why it's needed ). <---in my opinion of course.

One last addition to my two cents. One of my fellow Christian friends who happens to follow and study Christianity far far more than i do, does a pretty convincing job of relating what's going on with what the bible predicts. ie..one world government, one world currency, propaganda and trickery and he also looks at secret societies as well. I haven't bought into it all, but it's quite interesting and I wont dismiss it.

Unless you consider selling

Unless you consider selling your daughter into slavery as a morally acceptable position, the biblical texts should not be used as a moral backbone.

Our current system may not be perfect, but at least it's amendable. A 2,000 year old book that is believed to be divine even though it was translated and modified by clergy for centuries is not a plausible substitute.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Why not follow the Golden Rule

Why not follow the Golden Rule

Easy Answer but Wrong Prayer.

You need God to live; so to answer your question, "I agree". Honestly though, I think the root of it all is more a selfishness of man so I would ask for God's help with that. A crumbling republic is merely a symptom of that problem.

Well

Without God, rights are a myth. We want rights, but without God they're no better than the paper they're written on. I'm not saying they will be more respected if there is a realization that God is the author of rights, but I am saying that without Him, we can't expect people to rally to our fiction if their fiction is working for them. If we want rights to be grounded in truth, some deity would have to be involved. Pro-God/religion is intelligent in this instance I believe.

On this site, I think both Christians and Atheists often want to stir up trouble, I think this is the root of this post and many other religious or anti-religious posts. I feel like I can see through the pathos behind most posts, are they out to do good, build up, or tear down? This is a tear down post and it's not welcome.

We have rights by virtue of

We have rights by virtue of our existence, not because of god.

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Ridiculous

You'd like to have them without A God but you don't. With A God, you might, have rights. And I stress MIGHT. But without A God they are not even a remote possibility. You can pretend you ought to have them, but you are no more important than a piece of grass, you are space dust accidentally coalesced, proteins accidentally chained together, just like bacteria and snot. We are nothing and deserve nothing unless there is a purpose behind the universe and we fit into that purpose, but even then, rights are very hard to prove. If there is no God, one day we will entirely cease to exist and our much vaunted "rights" with us. There is no way in which anyone should be treated without God, nature is red in tooth and claw as the old poem says. Murder, death, destruction, rape, all merely entertainment depending on your personal standpoint, because no one stand point can said to be superior to another, because there is no over-arching moral law to say whether or not your actions are good, evil, lawful or illegal. Only human whim, imposed on other humans by majority rule.

need to have a "higher thing"

We have rights. I say from God, you say from existance, But without obedience to either God or to universal binding principle, human selfishness and will do power causes things to degenerate into chaos or rule by thugs. That is why the founders, not all Christian, insisted on virtue.

Vickie

Word!

Right on Vickie! Except there is no universal binding principle without A God. Mine's Jesus, cause he's really cool and really real and he died for me. Praise God!

Yeah cause isn't the Bill of

Yeah cause isn't the Bill of Rights technically God given rights? And our nation was founded under God. Some of y'all should remember that before you down vote another Christian comment.

Um, no

The Bill of Rights are the 10 Commandments for the federal govt telling it what it 'shall not do'!

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

It Was Founded Through the Minds of Humans

The Bill of Rights was not written by God. It was written by people with a good idea that should never go out of style.

Well the Declaration of

Well the Declaration of Independence says this.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

U.S. Law Also Allowed Slavery

U.S. law also allowed slavery and prohibited women from voting, some aspects become obsolete. A creator can be any deity with a creation story, and there are many. A creator can be a Pagan Goddess.

"I am a real Christian – that

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." Thomas Jefferson

Has nothing to do with law...I'm talking about or "God given rights".

Who is to say myths do not present certain understanding?

It may very well be your beliefs that myths hold no semblance of any kind of truth or illustrations for a need toward order. To another, myths may present a great deal of truth. With all due respect to your beliefs, it is my belief that myths have presented a means for humanity to understand its need for humility and that myths have very much so also guided us to our present form of the Constitutional Republic we live in no less so than laws brought forth from stories endemic to monotheism. Still others might dismiss both monotheism and classical mythology as being of no basis.

The bottom line is that we have agreed to hold our rights to be above the power of man. Where it is we might argue as to how the power to place those rights above the power of man came from, is to argue a mute point.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

There's More Humility In Being Honest

There's more humility in being honest and saying we don't know. It's the human ego that drives religions, that makes us feel we are too important to just cease to exist after this life. Human ego and fear of the unknown. For some, no afterlife is a possibility. For others, there is no possibility, because "I feel myself too important." Ego, self importance.

False Choice

I think you've provided a false choice. For me it isn't about "winning back the republic" at all. I view the republic as morally corrupt, based on force and violence, and not something that God would even want to restore.

When It Comes To Politics, Leave Religion Out of It

I don't believe there should be a law against it, but I don't believe it wise. All it can do is cause division and is irrelevant to the movement. I don't thumbs down a post simply because it's religious, but if I did, I would thumbs down a Christian post no different than I would thumbs down a Hindu, Muslim, or Wiccan post, because I don't feel posts like that help anything here. A racist can be free to be racist, but to bring the views here, it will just cause division.

Thank you Michael

Freedom trumps everything else and what ultimately allows us to think, believe and ascribe to whatever ideology we desire. Period.

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Were Daily Paul followers ever Pro-Christian to begin with?

If so, that is news to me, and I'm the owner of the site.

I know that most everyone here (aside from the trolls) were pro-Ron Paul to begin with.

But beyond being Pro-Ron Paul, mainly, we're pro Liberty. Ron Paul was a spokesman, a "messenger" as he called himself, for Liberty.

I'm not pro-Christian, pro-Ron Paul, pro-Rand Paul, pro-Israel, or pro-US. I do not follow a man, a country, a government, or a religion.

I'm PRO LIBERTY! I'm PRO INDIVIDUALISM.

And like I said, I'm the owner of this site.

Any questions?

All art is only done by the individual. The individual is all you ever have, and all schools only serve to classify their members as failures. E.H.

Amen

Concentrate on common ground. Ignore social issues that divide.

I'm also PRO LIBERTY! I'm also PRO INDIVIDUALISM.

Well, I guess I'm pro Danielle Bradbery at the moment, but that's another story. New out record today. :-)

Agreed!

We shouldn't divert focus from anything except what we all have in common, what we can all identify with - valuing liberty! Telling everyone on here, "The reason why our country is going in the wrong direction is because we're not praying enough" is not going to help further anything. Stick to what we can all identify with.

Well put. The focus here is

Well put. The focus here is liberty.

Well now that you meantion it, yeah.....

see you in church?

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Well Put Mr. Nystrom

Not to speak for Mr. Nystom, but if I may say so, I've never seen anymore 'Christian Bashing' as of late than in any of the 5-6 years I've been reading posts here. That is not to say that I have always not noticed some degree of what I suppose could be misconstrued as 'Christian Bashing' here, but I have always myself inferred that such instead was merely being written by posters here so as to distance themselves from the assertions made by the likes of those whom have referred to their own selves as being 'The Moral Majority'. Perhaps if is you sense animosity, that animosity may very well exist but it is instead held exclusively for the idea itself that a majority should be given the authority to impose its will over the rights of a minority. It also doesn't help to calm those of us who consider themselves liberty-minded, to hear others claim that they have the right to speak on behalf of the liberty-minded in making the assertion that all of liberty-mindedness are thus 'Conservative' and that thus as being what is popularly considered 'Conservative', all who are liberty-minded are also of 'The Moral Majority' and thus should be in favor of a majority we may or may not belong to being granted the authority to impose our will over the rights of a minority. We do not.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead