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Have Daily Paul followers Become Anti-Christian?

I have encountered many people in the freedom movement who reject who are even hostile to us Christians. I notice people persecute me for writing a prayer about asking God. We will lose this battle for the republic without divine providence. Do you agree or do many of you think you can win without God's help or have disdain for us God fearing people. I do not care if a person is a christian or not. Respect the right to worship or not to worship. But there are some mocking us in the movement saying we are the liability.

the truth is we do not have a prayer to win back the republic if we reject divine providence. DO you agree.

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you got it.

ignoring this and claiming they are simply anti-Christian is lazy.

Somehow I missed that within

Somehow I missed that within the bible I read. Find the glory and hide it within? Didn't it say something about spreading the word?

And where have I contradicted that?

I see not conflict.

Spread the word does not mean forcibly spread the word.

The way I take that is by example.

If people like me and want to be more like me then I explain, when asked, that I am who I am because of Christ, the rest will be self taught.

If they ask for guidence, then I give.

If I am asked to keep my views to myself then I oblige. It is the only Christian thing to do.

God Bless.

The problem I see..

is that most religious people are all talk but no walk. You say you follow your Christ, then be like Him! You really think all He wants from you is to worship Him? Absolutely not, He came here to set an example for all of us to follow, not just preach. While I do believe God is on my side and helping me with every step I take to spreading this message, I don't believe He'll take much part on the life's of those who just preach and sit back. Actions are louder than words. You wont become a factor if you don't become an actor. Don't be afraid, take His path, you won't walk alone.

"Life is just a candle, and a dream must give it flame.."

100% agreed.

I am a deist so I don't believe in divine intervention. For god to interfere with the world implies two things: that he made a mistake and must then fix it, and also that humans do not have free will.

God has already given you all the gifts you'll have. It's up to you to use them and that's where, as you said, actions and not words come into play.

I also separate religion from spirituality. I believe that spirituality is personal and individual. Religion is a power structure meant to control.

But I also don't care if someone prays. That's their thing. As long as they don't try to make it my thing, I see no problem.

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"God has already given you all the gifts you'll have."

I like that statement because I actually believe the greatest gift of them all is the gift of free will, He in a sense gave us the power to become creators ourselves, a God of ourselves if you may.

I am familiar with the deist philosophy, however based on my personal experience, I have in a sense experience what may have been divine intervention (or at least I'd like to believe) where I was giving the opportunity to seek what I asked for, of course it just took some action for me to actually attain that I sought. But like you said, this is my spirituality based on my experiences, I don't push my beliefs but merely share them. This same believe however expands to the idea of "law of attraction," in which I'm a firm believe of.

Cheers!

"Life is just a candle, and a dream must give it flame.."

You got it.

He gave us the tools - rationality, empathy, and free will - to improve our lives and our world. We don't need anything else.

"I don't push my beliefs but merely share them."

This is perfect. Thank you for sharing them with me/us.

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I don't agree.

The greatest threat the Liberty Movement faces is Christian religious extremists using the movement to further a "christian" agenda NOT a real agenda based on the Constitution. These extremists mirror the Islamic fanatics destroying the Middle East. These are extreme personalities that WE must identify and remove from the Liberty Movement. Why? Because they have NO intention of securing civil rights for ALL Americans. They will discard the Constitution in favor of biblical law in a heart-beat. Moderate Christians are an asset for the Liberty Movement. Like Ron Paul, they don't wear God on their sleeves and feel the need to convert everyone they meet.

To believe, or not believe.

If one believes, then say all of the prayers that one can muster.

If one does not believe, it does no harm for others to do so.

We are r3VOLution. We should be tolerant, and respect and defend others [Bill of] Rights, whether they are God-given or natural-born.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

Human Nature

The ancient Greeks believed that without fear of Zeus' lightning bolt, man would eat each other.

Only a moral society can be a free society. As America has become increasingly Atheist, it has become demoralized. This is a key tenet of Marxism. Our Atheist friends will never understand this is part of the plan. The Atheists can't see that they are doing the bidding of our masters. They are simply, "useful idiots."

"Man will either be governed by God or ruled by tyrants" - William Penn

"When life is more than you can stand, kneel" - Unknown

You realize you are

You realize you are suggesting the only way that people will behave morally is if they are coerced by fear. This is the antithesis of what liberty is about. Zeuss' lightning bolt, the state's guns; what's the difference?

Fortune Favors the Bold

Silly Rabbit

If you believe moral behavior is the default human behavior, then you have not raised a child. To be good must be taught.

A God's code of morality is something entirely different than state's laws. The former is a general construct as to how to live one's life which inevitably sets the individual free. The latter dictates a person's actions to the detriment of the individual inevitably enslaving them.

The fact that you would ask such a silly question tells me you are your own God whether you know it or not. This is exactly what's wrong with mankind... Anything goes. There is no moral compass. Like I said, an immoral society can not be free. The end result is a bunch of godless liberals acting as if they are God tinkering with our lives through legislative force. Freedom and faith go hand-in-hand. I realize that is hard for you to accept.

Is America better today than we were in years past? We are now a godless society just like the Soviets. God has been run out of the state house and out of the school house. Are we better off for it?

was this posted by a lolcat?

me has can no purrrayers

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

why the downvotes?

lolcat now colcat :(

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

God has had plenty of opportunity

to step in with divine providence. I think god only intervenes when she feels like smiting indiscriminately, so let's leave god out of this.

I am reminded of old Hub's 'What every boy needs to know to

be a man' speech in the wonderful film, "Secondhand Lions", when he tells young Walter that it doesn't matter if a thing is true or not; if you want to believe it, then believe it because:

Hub: Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good; that honor, courage, and virtue mean everything; that power and money, money and power mean nothing; that good always triumphs over evil; and I want you to remember this, that love... true love never dies. You remember that, boy. You remember that. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You see, a man should believe in those things, because those are the things worth believing in.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=second+hand+lions&FORM=V...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327137/quotes

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

And just in case anyone thinks I don't believe,

here's the original ending that got cut out and replaced with a short scene:

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Freedom for all but leave overly sensitive tendencies at home,

Yes I will agree there are lots of folks that seem angry towards Chriatians. I for one respect all people good or bad unless I have to defend myself against them.

Do we need Gods help? I don't know the word God in the same way a Christian does. So if you want to use your prayers to help our movement then please do. I don't believe or not believe I just admit to not having any contact or awareness to any sort of supernatural being.

To answer your question, I personally believe we can win without God, but we can not do this without all of you God loving folks.

I am aware of you I am not aware of your God.

Deep down everyone is Libertarian.
Live and Let Live, form of government.

G O D

I've studied this type of information in-depth for years, and it's obvious to me that God exists.

But you don't need to consciously think about God in order to be HAPPY.

Likewise, you don't need to somehow try to INVOKE God in order to Happily Spread a Good Message like the one Drs. Paul have been spreading.

So God exists and whether you believe or not, or like it or not, it is an integral part of EVERY PHYSICAL EXPERIENCE -- from Human to Rock.

So I would say: Have fun - don't worry about Angry People - just stay true to the message of God:

Everyone gets Love. Everyone gets Freedom.

Demonstrate how to live from there.
Easier said than done, i know for sure -- but that's why there's no point wasting time pointing out the speck in someone else's eye --- just Manage your own Connection to God.

That's what EMOTIONS are.
When you are happy, the YOU in this body is in harmony with the YOU that is mostly focused in the NonPhysical Environment.(i.e. Your SOUL)

When you are Angry, Sad, Worried, Depressed etc... in those moments you are thinking thoughts that your SOUL does not think -- and depending on how FAR OFF your thoughts are from your SOUL's perspectives, to that degree of difference you will feel a degree of Negative Emotion.

Morality IS built-in to us.
God IS inextricably connected to us.

Emotion is how you know how your connection is doing.

Just follow without question.

God, Religion, Caesar, Military, Laws, Central Government, State Government, County Government, City Government, Your Teachers in school, Your Parents, Your Spouse, Your Peers, Your Boss, Etc. Just follow directions and never question. This is Christianity.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

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You must be referring to the other Christianity

because the Bible I use instructs Christians to not just accept everything they hear, or follow directions without question, but to test and verify.

See, for example, Acts 17:11, 1 John 4:1, and 1 Peter 1:10-12.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

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I appreciated your saying that we should test and verify.

You are one of the few Christians I've come across both say and provide passages to question what we believe. I wish that the great majority of religious people irrespective of their particular believes would question what they actually believe and why. They do not put their religions to the test.

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Thank you

and I agree that everyone should question, and continue questioning, everything they believe, and why.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

And here lies the problem

Every passage is interpreted to fit the personal agenda at will. Never is there a standard universal non biased interpretation of the same passage.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

The same thing could be said -

The exact same thing can be said of the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and the entire body of works written by Richard Feynman. To give you an even better example, you could take the written instructions that detail the assembly of a piece of furniture and interpret them however you please, but you need an understanding of the purpose to actually follow what is written.

What you have said is an epidemic in the "Christian Clubhouses" of the world today, but if what you say is an absolute truth then there is no point in written language any longer.

It isn't fair to

compare "spiritual discernment" and interpretation of a book of parables, poetry, and psalms to logical understanding of a plainly written document.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

How is it not fair -

Concerning interpretation, how is this argument not fair? Isn't the Feynman Diagram an analogy for the interaction of particles, not the actual event or description? It is, de facto, a visual parable that aids in the understanding of something that has never been seen.

There is a logical understanding of any written document, however it was written. If you interpret the direction of the instructions of furniture however you see fit, the piece may very well come together and look finished and whole - however, it may not last as a long as intended. When someone sits down on it and it breaks - especially in today's society - the manufacturer will likely get blamed, not the ones who failed to understand the purpose or importance of the instructions.

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There are core beliefs that define Christianity

Not all passages can be legitimately interpreted in more than one way. If someone told me that God did not raise Jesus from the the dead, I would know immediately that such a person was not a Christian. All of Christianity rises or falls on His resurrection. See 1 Corinthians 15:14.

In other cases, there might be legitimate theological differences. For example, the method of water baptism, or whether to use wine or grape juice at Communion, but these are minor differences between believers that have no bearing on salvation.

Ron Paul - Honorary Founding Father

I have a portion to add -

There is one crucial piece of information that would need to be added to your statement if you truly want to define "core belief" - what is recorded of Christ's sayings themselves. One does not need to read and understand a legalistic Paul to understand Jesus, One who transcended the legal understanding of right and wrong. It was because, as Paul put it, Christ did not consider it robbery to call Himself equal to God that we follow Him, as He asserted to us in the Gospels. Because this was true He did conquer death.

agenda

freedom.. love At least that's the biblical agenda I see, and I agree with goodsamaritan about the second coventant.. THANK GOD for the second covenant. <- wanted to say that