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New Hunger Games movie...WOW!

Went to see the new Hunger Games film, "Catching Fire." I was pleasantly surprised at both the plot-line and the dialogue! Without giving anything away to those who haven't seen it and are planning to, the general theme to this episode of the story is a very in-your-face anti-totalitarian one. It depicts an ever-increasingly brutal police presence, a corrupt government from the top down, and the gradual awakening of the people...and at the end, for the next film, the revolution against the State begins!

I hope the general public is smart enough to 'get it' this time.

BTW, there was a coming attraction for another upcoming film which is also a dystopian nightmare story about a corrupt totalitarian government and the awakening and resistance of the masses. A recurring theme...it makes one wonder.

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I was fascinated

As I was watching the movie yesterday afternoon, I couldn't help but feel that I had seen all of this somewhere before...

The economy in shambles, people suffering, the background wars, the soldiers/police dressed in full body armor, the high tech weaponry, the all-seeing surveillance, the media circus distractions and controlled news, the rumblings of revolt at the grass roots, the over-the-top police responses to peaceful defiance, the restless hunger of the People for someone around whom to galvanize their actions.

This dystopia is recognizable to many of us. We see the essence of it in the news reports. We feel the anger and the frustration building. We understand that, unless there is a change in direction very soon, our current situation can only lead to more repression and the inevitable violent reaction.

Hunger Games: Catching Fire is another V For Vendetta, but more artistic and therefore more dangerous. Instead of articulating a philosophy with the words of the characters, as various characters do in V, Catching Fire allows the characters live their convictions silently (their convictions are personal, human, and very individual) versus the blatant demands by those in power for fealty only to the state apparatus. In such a society, as in our own today, the appropriate response is to remain faithful to oneself, have courage, and act.

One of the most revealing exchanges is between President Snow and Cat. President Snow notes how dangerous it was for Cat to defy the rules of the Hunger Games with the berries (first episode), leading to questions of legitimacy of power, leading to destruction of the power structure, and the fall of the society. Cat's response was: the structure of society must be very fragile if it can be destroyed by a few berries. President Snow agrees and notes that is why he cannot tolerate even the smallest act of defiance...because it gives the People....Hope.

I am not familiar with the Hunger Games books, so I do not know how it will play out in Part 3, but I am impatient to find out.

Beware of parallels sold with sensation.

Semiotics is in full creative swing with film producers.

ANY extension of the current world view which depicts humanity struggling in fantasy strife, really needs critical thinking to evaluate.

Check this to see that it contains no undue bias. I haven't seen the movie.

First, the producer asks us to accept, that is where we are headed. Survival and living are now only by great luck, power or ability. The mundane is lost on sensational achievement in that society.

A producer that wanted to help humanity avoid suffering and strife would instead depict people unraveling the mystery of secrecy and unaccountability which the current infiltrated gov has. It would share societal ways of coping with the mundane. The producer would be teaching a level of sustainability by people that are not living lives glorifying material power. People that know their independence pivots on their knowledge and ability to cooperate effectively.

Most important, is that the conditioning to accepting violence as a way of
life would not be present.

There was probably a movie like that sometime, but I don't know what it was.
My point here is that we need to stop following our entertainment consumer conditioning, and start supporting producers with completely different themes..

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

Alex Jones

Is downgrading the show. I wonder why? He claims the movie is trying to brainwash people into rebelling to form a Communist Agenda.

When i watched the movie, it made me dislike the Power Elite who are portraying to be Romans; Nazis in today's world.

Who wouldn't want to rebel? I mean seriously... It could really turn out to be like this in the future if we don't get up off our asses.

First time

I ever went to movie just after it was released. And have not gone to the show that much in my life. So this is double rare.

The movie is good stuff - power over the commoners. We can use it as a teaching tool to get a rapport going with the young ones.

It got us fired up. Glad we went.

I see a couple possibilities

They could be trying to channel people into harmless activities promoted by the movies (since the movies are so unrealistic), They could be probing the public to try to identify the ones most likely to resist - based on their reactions to the movie or they could be trying to instigate a rebellion that they could easily put down, and then justify a clampdown.

I agree. I loved the movie

I agree. I loved the movie and it was over too quickly. I'd encourage any DailyPaulers who might be interested to go check it out. Lots of movies about revolution and rising up against over-reaching governments lately.

the general public won't get it.


Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

They get it

but they'll just apply the revolutionary spirit to their own political beliefs, same as they do with les miserables or any other revolutionary movies.

“It is not our part to master all the tides of the world, but to do what is in us for the succour of those years wherein we are set, uprooting the evil in the fields that we know, so that those who live after may have clean earth to till." -J.R.R. Tolkien

the general public does not want to get it.


"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

The problem is that they have

The problem is that they have trouble putting two and two together. They dont think there are any parallels between movie and real life.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Achilles is right...

With all the video out there now of cops using batons to beat civilians on the streets, and the militarized riot gear with the full-face shields, perhaps the kids will see the parallels from the movie to real world...I thought, hell we ALL thought the parallels were blatant, in-you-face messages!! This is an excellent opportunity to start a dialogue with teens and twenty-somethings, particularly as we all get together for TG holiday! "Did you see the new Hunger Games movie? Didn't that look just like that YouTube video of so-and-so getting beat?" We could all come up with some kind of interest-piquing monologue, couldn't we? Don't answer everything for them...just get them curious and they'll find the videos on their own. Most young people today don't read...they want to watch the video.
On a subliminal note, our real-world "peace keepers" are dressed in black like Vader, and the movie peace keepers were all white like storm troopers. It may have been a film director/costume director choice as to how they would appear on-screen.

Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

That is True

But now that this movie is out, it increases the likelihood of some poor un-awake sheeple encountering inane gunvernment / cop / IRS / Homeland Security BS, and instead of accepting it at face value, the image that the movie creates is his noggin will trigger...the red pill effect.

This is a good thing.

Fantastic movie!

Maybe the best pt2 of 3 in movie history... We could've easily sat through another 2.5 hours of this one.

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Agree! Saw it Friday

Excellent - just about the only thing that kinda irked a tad bit me was the lack of a strong male character.

Not necessary...

But Peeta is pretty damn strong

I saw it last night

and although the WOW factor was not there like the first flick, I did enjoy it.

Now there is hope and resistance brewing and the plot twist at the end makes for a sort of
cliff hanger ending.

Ron Paul is My President

Hunger Games are straight out of 'Report from Iron Mountain'


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is it just me?

I find it odd the recent push for an armed rebellion.
Don't see it? Compare now to to 10 yrs ago.
I can't help but think it is some how a part of the plan.
Not ours, theirs.

This coming from some one that would would proudly give his life to reboot using the constitution as it was intended.

"You only live free if your willing to die free."


Is too big for the Elite today. They want a Revolution so they have an excuse to wipe us out.

The only problem is they will lose. They think they will win.

and it will only get worse with our current monetary system.

any monetary system that demands growth has GOT to go!


I see it too...

and you as well as Secular Tea and ecard below need to remember and repeat the quote from this movie, "Remember who the REAL enemy is!". When the poop hits the fan, perhaps the first targets should be all those in power who are responsible for our predicament...instead of each other. Let's spoil those plans, too!!

Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Definitely not just you

I've also noticed it. Add to that that there are lesser and lesser slaves (you and me) contributing due to the economy, and more and more people depending on handouts be it food, obamacare, housing, etc. I believe it to be part of Agenda 21.

To compare; In 1860, there were only approximately 30 million Americans.

During the Civil War, depending where you research, the number of "military" casualties was around 625,000. No one can possibly guess how many civilian casualties there were due war crimes, hunger, etc.

Today there are supposedly 314 million Americans. Roughly 10 times the amount of what it was back in 1860. With better technology and arms, the ratio to casualties will probably be significantly higher.

My guess is that the easiest way to dwindle the population/enemy/us is through class/race warfare. The "haves" and "havenots" will battle it out and thin their own ranks while the wealthy bankers/politicians/ceo's sit back and watch. Once we are weak enough, the gov't or foreign troops will step in and disarm the rest of the survivors in order to prevent a future "atrocity". It will be blamed on guns.

The Civil War was coerced by the Bankers

'Crimes of the Civil War: and curse of the funding system' by Henry Clay Dean shows that the Civil War was whipped up by the Bankers in order to create the Chaos necessary to make people want Central Planning, and the Central Banking necessary to fund it.

The Central Planners/Banks are losing their power. Everyday people are looking for ways to get out from under their thumb and we're getting more creative. The fiat currencies are being inflated far pass the amount of goods needed to keep them useful.

I think the Central Bankers have gone too far to go back. They need mass chaos in order to have a chance at regaining power after the fiat currencies are replaced by other means to trade. They are going to lose power no matter what. If the power is lost in a relatively peaceful way, the chances of them re-securing that power & influence is low. If it is chaotic, they have a better chance at re-branding themselves as the saviors.

People who need saving are easier to control than those that can rely of themselves.

There is scripture that talks

There is scripture that talks about that someday everyone will learn without a teacher. I'm not sure which one. But could it be talking about the Internet?

I think God has a plan. We are living in biblical times my friend.

1 John 2:27

I think this is the verse you're thinking of. My understanding based on the context is that we do not need a teacher because the Holy Spirit points the hearts of believers to see and accept Christ as the Son of God and savior.

1 John 2:19-27
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us--even eternal life. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.


this is the correct interpretation of the text as compared to the rest of Scripture.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

This guy does a good job

This guy does a good job explaining it.



I think the only movies I've seen in the past 5 years in the theaters were the Atlas Shrugged movies, but I bit the bullet and saw this over the weekend. I was very pleasantly surprised. I remember thinking something similar, that people would see this and perhaps begin to consider more carefully what is happening to us. Then I remembered that most people who see the movie will walk away somehow being thankful to live in the U.S. where nothing like this could ever happen.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!

I don't think so. The other

I don't think so. The other night my husband who is very non political made a comment about the gas prices being so low and said he thinks "they're" setting us up for something. It was so weird to hear him say this. We don't talk politics because he hates hearing about it. Perhaps some things I've said to him stuck or perhaps he's seeing something.

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Saw it in Taipei on opening day

Loved it.

Glad to hear that others here feel the same way.