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So, in 2009, I got this red light ticket - ALLEGEDLY...

and it somehow fell through the cracks until now. Apparently, never got the written notice...was looking up info about another ticket online and was directed to call a certain number.

Called the number, found out about said, alleged, red light ticket. Was told to call anotehr number, for the company that runs the red light camera scheme/fraud in this particular county.

Called camera scheme company, got some ditzy chick speaking ebonics, who told me I owed $900, and wanted to know how I would be paying. I inquired, patientily at first, as to why I was just finding out? How did this not get reported to the DMV? Can she send me proof it was me?

Camera scheme chick gets more and more upset and starts insisting that "we don't answer questions sir!" At my request she hands me over to ebonics speaking male camera scheme company. He informs me of a court date, by telephone. I ask him to send notice and a copy of the photo or other proof. "This is the only notice you're gonna get!"

That was all 9 months ago.

Recently, I research this city and read that it apparently is aware that its scheme is questionable. In fact, it doesn't do anything to enforce it. It had never called or sent written notice or notified the dmv of my 4 year old ticket, for example.

So fast forward to today, I go to traffic court. There my name is on a list of over 150 people, for a specific courtroom. I go to that courtroom and quickly realize it is the wrong place. Nothing is going on there. Go back and look at list. Yep, i read it correct.

So then I go to the only other courtroom and try to explain the error and inqure as to whether I'm in the right place. Bailiffs inform me I am and seem offended that I pointed out their error. Person after person walks in with the same complaint. The court clerk breaks the tension by stating "we're from the government and we're here to help" - which I much appreciated since he was obviously joking around.

Judge Pro Tem takes the bench. I inform him I have a red light ticket but was not given the image. He can't even take a plea, he realizes. He doesn't know what to do.

He then sets a follow up date, and instructs me to talk tot he bailiff - the one who can't create a court calendar list competently - about how to view my picture/video/image/cartoon/whatever.

Bailiff then sends me to the local police office. Ok fine, walking distance. So, I walk over there.

I go to Police Office, talk to officer A, who disappears for half an hour, no word on what happened to him. He never came back out. I sure hope he's okay.

Officer B comes out, and wants to know what he can do for me. I start to tell him and he says "yes, they shouldn't have sent you here. They always do that." I then ask if I could look at the picture or video, and even say, you can check me for weapons, whatever, I just need to see it. He then says "I can't. Only my computer can access the images and I have a bad computer virus that prevents me from viewing it at present."

Bahahaha

He does give me another number for a second company connected with said red light camera scheme/fraud ticket scheme. This company then sends me to the site where I log in to view pics and videos of my "offence." It won't let me log in.

I figured I'd "slow blog" about it here. Any suggestions, even crazy ones? I promise not to follow any sovereign citizen methods, but it would be interesting to see what kinds of gibberish the gibbersphere thinks i should unleash!

Thanks in advance!



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Info graphic, stat

This post is desperate for an illustrated spatial transcript of where you walked and why. Beyond that, I'd consider cute little cartoon graphics of a judge and officer 1 and 2 with word bubbles.

Print one out and send it to the judge with a clever joke about your graphic deserving an "honorable mention"; if he doesn't get it, I'm afraid there's no hope.

Take care.

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great site

I've downloaded a lot of their info

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You have a very tough decision to make here.

You could ignore this entire matter completely which is what I would have advised you from the start, and move on with your happy life.

But...

you will always know you could have milked this charade for all it's worth in exactly the manner you are now.

Your choice: walk away free and clear or risk it all to make these monkey butts look exactly like what they are which is monkey butts.

Tough choice. I don't envy you.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

practical side vs. emotional side

My practical side wants to just say "yes, it's me" so I get the minimum penalty and only have to endure one court appearance.

The emotional side says "what's the worst they can do?" I'm not sure this is worth a weekend in jail in my life at present. I;m not sure $50 each court date for gas and parkign is worth it. I'm not sure time away from making money is worth it.

Next time around, I'm going to see if I can just plead NG.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You think you got it hard

You think you got it hard well my girlfriend went through hell with a scam ticket. long story short she went to a job interview and they would not hire her because of a warrant for arrest for not paying for a red light ticket 9 months before and that her drivers license was suspended. We went to the DMV to see the so called ticket and they told us that we could view it online and see the picture of the car that ran the light . THE CAR IN THE PICTURE WAS NOT MY GIRLFRIENDS AND THE CAR WAS NEVER IN MY GIRLFRIENDS NAME AND SHE DID NOT KNOW WHO THAT CAR BELONGED TO!!!! So we figured maybe stolen identity because or something because all the info on the online ticket was exactly like my GFs so after about 56 calls to the DMV, sacramento police station and court house and scam camera office and the DA's office we finally got them to straiten it out and they said it was just a mix up some where in the computer systems. this all took about a week to figure out what the heck happened. We still don't know what went on and they will not tell us. I really wanted to sue them but a lawyer told me their would be no hope. my girlfriend cried alot thinking she would get arrested for a false warrant. PS she ended up getting the job after it all cleared up lol

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deacon's picture

your belief

in the state and it's powers
leads to one conclusion
pay what you owe

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

you must have terrible reading comprehension

still reading the Icke forum? Leapin' lizards!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

you could try

to sprayyourplate,this is supposed to stop them cameras
from "seeing" your plate
Now,i haven't tried it,we don't have them here,buut,anything at all
to lessen the chances of getting a ticket from a no witness deal,i am all for
This should have been what i posted instead of my first one
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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

In this day and age I have a "remedy" for the plate issue

and I notice quite a few others use the same one. I'm not going to divulge online, though, as I have gotten away with it fabulously. This was a ticket from the distant past, don't even have that car, unfortunately.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Have had several

in the last five years. Threw them in the trash.

never would have thought it

but I think that is the best possible strategy here...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

But there is a damn law in there somewhere

aren't you paid to defend it???

Hypocrite much?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

no not in this case

no one is paying me to do anything in this instance. Lawyers challenge laws all the time. Look into it.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Statue of Limitations

Not sure of your jurisdiction, but they're probably out of time.

Check your state's rules on right to a speedy trial, notification, etc. If it shows up, move to dismiss on the above grounds.

not a bad idea

but I'm not sure it will ultimately work. They'll claim notice was mailed and that it is my fault it took so long.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Never talk to them again

The evidence doesn't seem to exist.

Innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is on them - not you.

the problem I have

is that in the alternate universe of weird that this ticket comes from, doing nothing only seems to work if you do absolutely nothing. I have already been to court. So that makes me wonder if that would then become a judgment and failure to appear, at which point it can no longer be contested. Who knows.

I need to do some research on one of the local judges, to see if he has the balls to actually make a correct ruling agains the municipality where this took place. I may have to object to a judge pro tem since they are all essentially regular everyday lawyers looking to be elevated to being a real judge sometime; such a mindset may not equate to "you're free to go", though I've known pro tem judges who did do that kind of thing. He didn't seem like a bad guy.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Go to court, as requested, but...

ask them to present the evidence against you.

In most cases of a contested traffic ticket, the ticketing officer is called to testify. However, in your case, the ticketing officer is supposedly a damn camera - from which no one has yet be able to produce the damning photo.

They don't seem to have a leg to stand on.

yes

and i continue to wonder how one can "confront the witness" as is my Constitooshinal right by gawd, when the witness is a mindless brainless soul-less robotic device. I somehow doubt that the local PD has camera system expert witnesses on hand for these things. Or do they?

I'm also wondering about a class action on behalf of all persons so ticketed who actually paid, when the whole thing is set up to deny them their right to confront witnesses.

At least with a real cop there is someone to ask questions of!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

well, just keep on ignoring it?

and never pay?

actually

in this weird instance, that has more merit than some other ideas! It shouldn't, but it does...strangely...ROFL

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Ignorance of the LAW is

no excuse, bucko!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

hah!

good one! So arent you gonna lecture me on how this is a "commerce" sitchuashun?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Very Inspiring Report

Thx...for reinforcing my confidence in government incompetence.

also funny

There were only about 4 other red light ticket cases called before mine. In three of the four, the person was misidentified by gender, and at one point the judge cracked a joke asking if a particular person had had a sex change. LOL

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

LMAO at the virus part. That

LMAO at the virus part. That was hilarious and for some reason I believe him. I would have offered to fix it for $40 per hour.