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Hey DP! Where did the NSA outrage go?

I want to bring this topic back to the top of discussion.

The Senate Intelligence Committee just approved a bill that pretends to bring reforms to mass surveillance but in reality does the opposite by approving mass surveillance of phone, email and cell phone data.

This is a MUCH bigger encroachment to our freedoms and liberty. Please keep spreading the word, encourage discussions. THIS IS THE NUMBER 1 TOPIC to that EVERYONE in the country agrees with.

Call your congressmen and senators, this is not a Republican vs Democrat issue, this is not a liberal vs conservative issue. This is a TRUE LIBERTY ISSUE. Are we going to give up our privacy and liberty or are we going to demand that our private life is our own?

If you are looking to learn more, there are a TON of resources online, do your own research, but if you are looking for a good stepping stone to learn more about this, check out www.eff.org they have been fighting against mass Surveillance since before the leaks last spring.

Please help, spread the word, start discussions!

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Bump - thanks for the reminder that preaching to the choir here
on DP is not sufficient to make things happen in the big bad world

It looks like at least one Republican on the Intelligence Committee
voted against the bill that was passed out, but I couldn't figure out
who. Leahy, the chairman, and Ron Wyden also voted against it.

On the House side there is Rush Holt's bill HR 2818 that looks worthy
of supporting:


Seems like DP'ers should be helping round up co-sponsors and support for
positive initiatives like this...

so many scandals, so little

so many scandals, so little time.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Outrage fatigues us all.

Besides which, anger in general is toxic, and will kill you much earlier than necessary. So chill.

But that's just "outrage." Quiet (or vocal) indignation is another matter altogether, and I remain indignant, as is shown in my top sig line. Shouting my rage at the NSA makes me hoarse and compounds my sense of frustration. Needling them is ultimately more satisfying, because it goes on and on and adds up, while outrage tends to burn itself out.

IM(not particularly)HO.

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I kinda feel

like were on this grey line between being tired of shouting and have the government ignore us and change the rules anyway they want and where people start using more than just their voice to make us heard.

I don't think they really care what public opinion is, nor are they even that afraid of elections.


Maybe,(I hope and pray)

the DP members are checking out the Trans Pacific Partnership, which is being smokescreened and hidden.
The NSA isn't going anywhere, but once the TPP is signed it will be here to stay.

The TPP is no different then

The TPP is no different then the NSA laws and regulations, formed and agreed upon in secret - any law that the average citizen has no privilage to know of is not a law that the founding father would ever approve of!

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

At lest the NSA laws

are made in your own congress, and the American people (if they can collectively get their shit together), can still fight them.
Just imagine if the NSA came under the control of the UN, then there would be absolutely nothing you could do about any of it.
Secrets behind closed doors in Washington are one thing, but secrets behind closed doors in Geneva and The Hague are a different kettle of fish altogether.

I for one refuse to allow the

I for one refuse to allow the FED's survellance program to intimidate. I will NEVER back down. These people are cowards and will turn tail and run when they are confronted with force.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

This is a huge issue

and the press is so ill-informed and educated that many of the significant points aren't even discussed.

First Amendment (you know the one with the free speech stuff in it) jurisprudence has discussed for decades if not centuries the need to avoid anything that has a "chilling effect" on free speech. That means laws that regulate speech, monitoring of speech, etc. Where is the media discussion of that issue?

And remember growing up and hearing about the poor Soviets and how their government spies on them and their neighbors rat them out? We've become that. I am having tgiving dinner with a relative whose husband is a cop. Do you think I'm going to let loose, knowing that all local police work with feds and the feds have fusion centers that spy on us and that the feds will put a microscope up your ass for essentially nothing more than what is being typed here? Heck no.

I'm paranoid enough of it, that I actually closed down an entire email account to minimize contact with certain persons who had bad judgment on what they send.

it's a huge issue. People now have to think about how politically correct they are before discussing their beliefs, not because it will make others think they are crazy, or cost them a job, but because they fear the government. This has to stop and I don't think it is too far gone - the people are largely furious over this. The only silver lining is it is all so outrageous that it is waking people up.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Good point,

especially about the chilling effect not getting any coverage. But Kennedy said the biggest fear is fear itself. Worried about being spied on? Yup. Does that stop free speech. Nope. We're speaking for two now, we have to speak louder.

the other side has won ..

or so it seems...the thrill of a great lead soon fades and the individual is then fast afoot seeking another new sensation to propel their illusory self interest ..this has been the the great victory of the media over the simpleton minds of the masses..its to late for liberty. take a look around the daily paul..hundreds are gone for their reason to be was the birther thing.the media is the greatest mind scam ever.

Do not give up yet. For I

Do not give up yet. For I feel many of us have not been fighting the right battles.

To gain a true footprint in our countries opinion, we must find topics that unite us with disregard to party lines. In this view, the NSA spying provides us with the most perfect point of argument and debate. No liberty minded person, no matter their party affiliation, will back the NSA takeover of our current governing bodies.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

I have heard of some people

I have heard of some people saying that the only option is going off the grid. But as a young professional, I know for certain that that is not an option in any realistic sense for me or for 90% of the people. Work, friends, family, travel, activism, etc. all require a connection to the outside world.

Whether we like it or not, we need to make it a point to only support candidates that are 100% opposed to the illegal NSA spying.

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

Even if

A candidate was 100% against NSA spying about half of the DP would not vote for them if they were also pro-choice. In fact Ron would probably call them "insane" if they did.

This is how TPTB succeed. Keeping opponents divided over "social" issues while they happily gain total control.


That's not possible.

There will be no candidates ever again who are "100% against" the spying because the spying will have captured everything they ever said or did their entire lives before they were candidates.

If the agency can't find anything to disclose about that candidate to "float" to the media, they'll make it up, if that candidate is against the agency's interests.

By the time the truth comes out, the election is over and your candidate will have lost. It is TOTAL CONTROL, just as AJ says. That is the insidiousness of having degenerates observe everything all the time and record it.

It's simply eternal job security and ever increasing budgets for themselves.

One example, precipitously posted on DP by someone else. This is simply one example:

double post

double post

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."- James Madison

I am...

still just as angry as I was 6 years ago after I took "the pill"...perhaps more-so. The more I learn, the madder I get.
The NSA thing hasn't gone away...like Fukushima.
The way I see it we all have 2 choices in battling this monster:
1. You don't hide anything...you speak and post as you see fit and just smack the system between the eyes with truth and logic...to hell with being politically correct or worrying about offending anyone. Just be up-front and out there with everything you know!
2. Drop out of "the system"...be covert. No phone, no license, no credit cards, no bank accounts, no real estate...just disappear and fight the monster with anonymous fervor.
I would like to see those who are "in-the-know" teach the rest of us how to spot and bring down a UAV. Can it be done with a 30-06 and a good scope? Can they simply be jammed with or hijacked using a particular frequency or radio or microwave beam?
We all know the end of "normal" is coming...it's up to us to organize our communities and have a plan. Everyone has a skillset of some sort...get organized and determine what you can do to help OUR team be victorious against The Empire.

Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Shooting a drone is

Shooting a drone is counterproductive. I worked with a guy who claimed to know some good computer hackers and its actually really easy to take control of drones. They said they would jam the signal and mark on gps where the drone is. Then they fly it around like a personal RC plane for a few min then line up the position and turn off the signal jam. That way the operator just thinks the signal just went down and is none the wiser. You can use an encrypted smartphone and just have to bounce the signal off a few telecom satellites first to cover your tracks.

He said the navy drone that went down a while back was actually becuase a group of hackers tried to take it over and the operators initiated counter measures but the struggle eventually fried the electronics and it crashed.

It is very interesting the cat and mouse game of hackers and the government that tries to catch (then recruit) them.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.