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New Campaign Rules pours Round Up on Grassroots

Breaking campaign news.. no vids, yet; however, Money Bombs are not going to be what they were:

The Obama administration on Tuesday moved to issue new rules that would curtail political activity by tax-exempt nonprofit groups, with potentially significant ramifications for one of the fastest-growing sources of campaign spending.


WASHINGTON—The Obama administration Tuesday proposed a crackdown on the widespread use of tax-exempt organizations for political campaigning, seeking to reduce the influential role that the secretive groups have played in recent elections.

The new "guidance" issued Tuesday by the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service would curtail a broad array of these tax-exempt entities' activities, including campaign advertising, voter registration, get-out-the-vote efforts, and distribution of voter guides and campaign materials.


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Clever title, though!


Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

I disagree: It benefits us, prevents co-opting our movements

From the article: (Bold is added)

"The move follows years of legal and regulatory shifts, including the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling in 2010, that have steadily loosened the rules governing political spending, particularly by those with the biggest bank accounts: corporations, unions and wealthy individuals. "

"Political spending by tax-exempt groups — from Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, co-founded by the Republican strategist Karl Rove, to the League of Conservation Voters — skyrocketed to more than $300 million in 2012 from less than $5.2 million in 2006, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

Much of the money has been funneled through chains of interlinked nonprofit groups, making it even harder to determine the original source. "

This is nailing establishment Republican money. That's not us. In the long term this is better for us. It will reveal more Shel Adelsons and Koch Brothers type funding.

If you thought certain candidates were "financed" in order to make Ron Paul lose the primary, this would have helped prevent it by revealing donors.

interlinked non-profit groups

who is that?

As a GOP committee treasurer, I have been paying close attention to campaign finance laws, not just becaise of all the classes and webinars to teach me what the new codes and rules and when and how to apply.. but the little experience I have.. I don't see it your way.

ASlso because I am new to the GOP and spent decades as an activist.

GOP canned grassroots at the RNC. http://www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013_Spring-Me...


I don't see this as nailing the establishment, not that I want to nail the establishment to anything but the constitution with high esteem for the bill of rights (which protects us from the constitution).

To me, there is a difference between "grassroots", which we saw in Ron Paul's campaigns through Meet-ups and people who were not part of the GOP contribute and THREATEN THE ESTABLISHMENT by coming up with the funds to go to conventions and sit at tables and face Rove, which I did and believe me, he was looking at security like.. "How did this person who is not establishment get this close to me?), and I wondered if it was a coincidense that at the next convention, we searched before meeting the elite (which was Perry and I though I sat one table away, I had no interest in meeting Perry even if he was to become president).

If you think that these new rules are going to stop establishment.. I don'e see how. Establishment has no problem turning over all the information I need to report, with a smile.

Astroturf (grassroots with financial support from a campaign) also has no problem giving ALL informetion.. grassroots is another story.

Grassroots do not want to give all their information.. or they give answers that are not acceptable such as, "Self Employed".. you MUST name the company.. all donations over $24.99 can only be accepted with name, address, phone, cell phone, email, address, where you work or name of business if "self employed".

This is a huge problem for me and why? Because I live in the Emerald Triangle where it's reported 1/3 to one half the population grows medical marijuana. I understand that it is decriminalized, and dispensaries are businesses that have no problem giving their information.. but the growers.. they have tons of money to give and no business.. they have no problem dropping $25K cash..

I'm sure the Obama camapaign had the same problem.. so to me.. this is not about weakening Koch. This is not a WIN for the people and grassroots.. and if it was it would be headline news on NPR.

Instead, you have the establishment that allready KNOWS it's loopholes VS people like me, who never thoiught they would be in the GOP, never thought they would be an officer and standing delegate.. never thoiught I would be doing what I am doing.. but I am happy to do it, because we really need people who are willing to take on these positions.

I'm going to err on the side of caution.. my experience with the GOP at this point is they have nmo intention in giving grassroots any gain into the GOP, which we did with moneybombs.


Astroturf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots_Campaigns,_Inc.


I volunteer my time.. but many committees pay and adverage salary is between $92K and $200K; However, I also believe that this is also what sparked the new rules.


Granger said:

interlinked non-profit groups

"who is that?"

Great question. I don't know either. It's possibly a paper trail of anonymity created by the Koch brothers' corporate lawyers. That's why I think it might not be a bad law.

If it exposes all of Karl Rove/Crossroads anonymous billionaire donors, this will help us and Rand Paul enormously.

It's not like we have anything to hide with our money bombs. The establishment RNC and Karl Rove on the other hand, their skeletons will be coming out of their closets.

We will be able to see who is funding Guiliani, Bachmann, Perry, Christie, Jeb Bush, etc.


I'm not anti-koch.. I wish they would invest and fight the UN Agenda and build mills.. I'd rather Koch than the state of ca or the federal government.

This is my feeling about it.. the kochs have plent of ways to invest.. the long time establishment has them covered.

Liberty is not covered.. I don't know one other treasurer in CA that came to the GOP out of Ron Paul.. we surpruzed them with how much we were about to get for Ron Paul.. so to me this is targetting grassroots.

The FEC already shows you who is funding.. but Ron Paul's money bomb.. thousands of names.. maybe some were NPOs, anyways.. I've decided that I'm rather err on the side of caution and think this is more for grassroots than koch.

If the Koch brothers are investing to defeat Ron or Rand Paul

Then I'm anti-Koch. If not, I'm neutral on Koch.

I'd sure like to know who is funding against the Pauls.

I'd like to know who is funding the Washington Free Beacon, which attacks Ron and Rand frequently.

As the saying goes, 'when in doubt follow the money'.


I think you've got something there, Jungleboogie.

My first instinct told me that this would not hamper, liberty-awakened people who want to individually contribute to a candidate they hear about on the internet. It would only hamper no-profits. I am not a non-profit organization. I am a living man with a right to choose who represents me in a republican form of government (Yea, I know, we don't really have that anymore in practicality).

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

Soon it will only be possible

Soon it will only be possible to fight this corrupt government by forming a union!

Obama is a knee pad wearing, union ass kisser

This is freaking brilliant!

Another interesting idea

I wonder if that's another reason the GOP has an issue with unions?

in my opinion they should all

in my opinion they should all shutdown, take one donation acounting for 80% of the total contribution out of campaigns, allow only inviduals to donate a predetermined ammount, so literally the higher the donation the likely higher the support, with a ROBUST system pre-built to actively catch donations that ARE'NT done by ONE individual, can you imagine a party trying to circumvent this by giving cash to enough people to make a difference in the donation, to even make it worth it, and the more money they try to give, the more people they have to involve, the more chance one of us may be mistakenly asked or bribed, ....and it just takes one snowden, and where theres one there may be many........i have no doubt that would stop them from this avenue, they'll just try and come up with more, but if the simple concept is KEPT simple, "overcomplications" become obvious
Just, someones gotta build it first, this big difference of doing things, in a way that is robust, and i think internet is surely underused in these thing, not because its technically unfeasable, but because no one has tried

Anyway, thats just my thoughts on money in politics, and my example of an alternative is a notion at best, where theres one theres many, and maybe, just maybe, someone out there has the perfect solution locked up in their brains and dont realise it, that is our history, it is how the individual has managed to achieve the things in our histories that affect other individuals, everything starts from thoughts and ideas, it is not an impossible task as some have lead themselves to believe

Interesting ideas gomez

As a treasurer, the rules are becomming so complicated, many committees have no alternative but to go with a professional CPA or join one of the ip and comming "professional treasurer" companies that are forming by having all the forms available on a software program that automatically sends forms in.. a committee has 24 hours to report anything over $100.00.. and they are asking for more information from campaign contributors which makes it very difficult for an accountant that has no people skills.

Personally, I get the feeling it is all going more corporate than ever.. and why Liberty need to "get in the business" of politics.. or somehow get ideas like yours on the table and in debate.

The funding rules change can be evaluated by

what it does for the interests of ALEC. If it is good for them, it's bad for us.

It sounds directed at environmental groups, which is not good. They are not organized enough to be effective, but they are working to stop some heinous corporate exploitation.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

"Envirnmental groups"

Environmental groups are organized for UN Agenda 21, which is backed by many communists who believe the state should own ALL business..

Agreed-but as long as the gov is infiltrated

and the EPA disabled by GATT or NAFTA, any actual protection is good.

However, many are fakes who do very little except create an attitude against environmentalism. They ate likely what you describe.
Greenpeace is a problem that way. I really give their solicitors a hard time about the tyrannical top down unaccountable org it actually is. They do not send them here anymore because I've proven to a few how bad it is and they left.

The NWO wants us to generalize and use "all or nothing thinking". Media actually produced sitcoms where it's social effect was distorted to seem positive. It has been the main tool of division between Americans by party leaders running with an NWO.

Some environmental .orgs are sincere. They usually don't last very long because they get the job done and dissolve.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?


My concept of a NWO in the UN Agenda for a Twenty First Century: Sustainable Development

When I was 19, I used to ride my bike to school, 15 miles one way, no helmet. I wound up on the cover of the New Orleans Times Piccayune Sunday Magazine, Dixie Roto.. "Conservationist Dreamgirl".

The first activist event I ever participated was "Save Our Surf" in 1972.

I remember seeing the college of the sciences adopt "Environmental Science". I got a D. I argued with the professor.. he blamed people for everything.. and that is my problem with environmentalism.. I believe people are a solution when they are allowed to own property and do what they want. Yes, some people do bad thangs and there are laws (none ever exercized on a military base or where bombing was previously). Conservation is the solution and to me the environmentalists work very hard to destroy private property rights.

But don't worry, if you join the GOP and start your own

Liberty Committee, all will be fine!

You make my point every single day, Granger!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Incorrect Ira

First, I am not recruting for the GOP.
second, if you are grassroots, IOWs if you VOLUNTEER for campaigns and issues, you could be arrested. Go for it Ira.

My Liberty committee will be fine because grassroots is OUT.. astroturf is in.

This could be a great discussion but you want to attack me personally. Lame on your part Ira..

Hope you and the wife had a great Thanksgiving Ira!


Actually, I came home last night about 6ish

and fell asleep, didn't wake up till 3:00 AM, missed the turkey and the whole party too. Oh well, I went to an Estate Sale today and got a good deal on two trailers. It worked out, like it usually does! It didn't work out for the guy holding the estate sale though, he got arrested over a title on a golf cart. His buddy cried the auction until he went hoarse and the whole shebang ended at 3:00. It was classic Quartzsite!!!

F politics, that's so 2007!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Got 2 eh? His and hers? LOL

No, not all goy are white trash

One was a tilt bed for my forklift, and the other one is a car hauler.

Passed up on the '52 White COE, could've been mine for $100 more.

Troll ya later!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Using Grassroots and PACs in the same sentence....

...is how the Koch's were able to weasel their way into the "tea party" and ride the coattails of Ron Paul.

Individuals who rely on a SuperPAC to participate in a money-bomb on their behalf are not as grassroots as they claim to be.

Fundraising events at houses and whatnot and using a PAC to donate it to a candidate is typically done much farther out than 60 days.

I'm not sure this does anything to grassroots efforts except legitimize the people who have been speaking out about mob rule and corporatism in America.

Good thinking-and with cognitive distortions that have

a false group supporting them as real descriptors or definitions.

"Using Grassroots and PACs in the same sentence....

...is how the Koch's were able to weasel their way into the "tea party" and ride the coattails of Ron Paul.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

What it does

It makes events like moneybombs something that will have to be corporate and not organic.. a person can not just come on DP and ask for donations for their comapaign.. they will have to have a committee number for the IRS.. there have been a lot of rule changes and yes, I think this has to do with Rand.. because the RNC refused to vote on the resoultion about grassroots.. as of they wiped grassroots off the GOP map.. and now this? How perfect for them.

Announcing campaigns

...I don't know about your town, but it's standard here that you can't receive donations for a campaign without having filed a finance form--indicating that you intend to receive and declare through the IRS.

What do you mean by "committee number"?



when you are a treasurer, "finance form" can be many things depending on where the funds are intended, and yes, it's all like layers of observation for the IRS feds, state and county (if I lived in a city it would be that too). FORM 460, FORM 410,, and more are all finance forms of one sort..

committee number is the ID, party, campaign.. any committee receiving funds.


I thought you are "them" with your unending love for the gop.

Formerly rprevolutionist


Thought that my getting in the GOP two years ago (note I have been on DP longer than 2 years) that I have an unending love for the GOP?

I can't say that any of the Ron Paul Republicans, including myself, have an ending love for the GOP. What we have is determination to arry out Ron Paul's message in the GOP where HE established it.

I personally begged Ron Paul to leave the GOP in 2007. If I was Ron, I would have left the GOP.. maybe Ron Paul has a unending love for the GOP since he's been in the GOP for over 50 years?