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How Can I Find A Real Job In A False Economy?

As a graduate of 2008, I have been dumped into the worst economy this country has seen in recent years. Since then I have worked 4 jobs, all for states and the Federal Government. My username might just clue you in on my profession, but to make it blatantly obvious I have been a Park Ranger of the non-lethal variety.

I have a B.A. in History, have worked in libraries, national landmarks, battlefields, natural wonders, etc. My primary duties involved giving educational tours for school groups and other visitors, historical research, and (my favorite...not) fee collection. However as a result of the lack of opportunity in the Federal Government, and also as a result of a change in my personal beliefs, I no longer want to continue this career. The work has always been seasonally based which meant spending whatever I'd earned through the year (i refuse to take unemployment) when the job came to an end and I had to survive in the off time.

In short, do you, my DP friends has an suggestions which dont involve being a peon for The State?

(I would include teaching for public school as also being a govt job.)

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Job: Free human survival guide

Avoid slave jobs. Piece work, independent contractor, handy man, etc. Grow as much of your own food as you can, garden. Avoid/eliminate debt. Avoid/eliminate parasitical bills that take and take. Alternative power sources, use nature as much as possible. Walk or ride a bycicle as much as possible.

Hunt, fish, gather.



1. It's sad to say, but real jobs are mostly for suckers. If you truly produce something of value, you will be working for others. That is to say, what you produce will be confiscated (at least in large part). That is to say, you will be a slave.

2. And you will be a slave working to produce that which feeds the evil system of enslavement. You will be funding your own enslavement. I think that is morally objectionable.

3. The spending which is taking place now, to a greater and greater degree, is the spending of the loot which is taken from those who are suckers doing real jobs.

4. Your desire for a real job is (at least initially) to be applauded, but unless you can find such a job in an isolated economic community which shields you from the psychpathic slave masters, it's probably not what you want.

5. I think the conclusion is obvious: It's better to drain the system and create an independent economic community on the side. Even going on unemployment is contributing to the solution (though that may have other costs in terms of becoming dependent). Being productive to feed the evil system is to be avoided.

Sad, but true. To be honest

Sad, but true. To be honest this has been one of my plans before I got to where I am now: Get money, build a farm, sell crops, and marry a hot wife with lots of kids! lol

I guess maybe that's all I can do...just hate that I'm sucking away $ at the taxpayers expense. I feel extremely obligated for that and desperately need to do something to pay them back.

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

I live in a small, fairly wealthy town.

Anyone with a service: plumbing, carpentry, fencing, AC repair, etc. is in high demand here. Called 5 plumbing companies 4 months ago. One returned my call. It is weeks to get anyone to come out.

Voc. schools are employing graduates at almost 100 percent.

Not glamorous but honorable and profitable.

And most folks version of HOT wives are usually high maintenance. Stay away from the ones that take hours to apply makeup. Trust me. You don't want to wake up to all that on your pillow and wonder who that is laying next to you.

A background in History does

A background in History does not lend itself very well to some of the best jobs around.

Without capital or financial backing, it is not feasible to get into business in my opinion.

Look for freelance writing jobs, oDesk is a decent option.

Move to another country, teach at the Embassy schools there if you have wanderlust...you will learn a lot...

Make YouTube videos, explaining facets of American History if History is indeed your passion. Only requires a DSLR camera and lighting. See if that opens up new opportunities.

Teaching in a public school should not be looked upon since you're getting to be part of educating the next generation. I think that is one of the greatest jobs around.

I think the libertarian disdain for anything that does not adhere closely to their principles robs them of some of the simple joys of life.


Start My Own Business!?

HAHAHA! No seriously, you guys are hilarious!

Believe me when I say that I would LOVE to start a new business (actually discus it from time to time with a buddy of mine) but there is no way in heck I'd do it:

A.) I'm in Kalifornia (beautiful but loony like our actresses)

B.) Obamacare is looming on the horizon like a wet blanket on small businesses

C.) Have only about $4000 to my name which would mean loans (I.E. becoming a slave to the bank for years, possibly my LIFE)

D.) I'm pretty firmly convinced the eCONomy is going to take another very serious hit sometime in the next 1-3 years here.

At the essentials: I just don't think the risks of starting a business out way the possible success. At least now I have no debt and a college degree thanks to hard work and some assistance via my folks.

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

Let's See

The risk of some future, potential event happening in your own business....which, if done properly, you could mitigate...in exchange for the possible future benefits.

vs. the real, actual current events of your life - that is, no good job prospects, counting on others to employ you, which of course as you have seen - you can not control to a large degree.

Time to put on those big boy pants.

Well Since You're Ready to Gamble

How about you put your money where your mouth is and front the capital?

While serving as a delegate for RP during the last election, I met many small business owners (go figure they supported RP) and each of them told me countless horror stories. Government meddling is insane in the extreme out here and around the country. There is no such thing as free market anymore, just corporate welfate supported by and endless drain of capital from the public. And if you ever do make it to the big league (and I do love the idea of creating jobs for hard working folks) your capabilty to provide good wages and healthcare is seriously limited by the new healthcare laws.

Do you even read the news?

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

Start at the bottom of your own business.

1. Buy a snow shovel.
2. Buy a lawn mower.
Warren Buffet once said if he lost everything, he would buy a lawn mower and start over again.

People are fussier when it's their own money.

The free market buyers are always looking for a good deal.

Employers are looking for someone to help them make a profit in spite of the risks they've taken.

Free includes debt-free!

Have you thought about

Have you thought about organizing and selling eco-tours? You could also join forces with other small businesses with complimentary services. I can imagine a lot of synergy with fitness folks.

Invent your own job!

Write down what you liked/disliked in your old jobs. How can you improve on the parts your liked? What unique talent or perspective can you use to serve others? Embrace your individuality and you'll find a niche. Jim Henson made millions with puppet shows.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

If you are a "park ranger of

If you are a "park ranger of the non-lethal variety", really I don't think most people mind you doing your job. I myself do think of it as a good service. If you enjoy your job and feel productive and of service is a big question, imo.

I wish more people would get

I wish more people would get out of the mindset of trading their time for a paycheck. With the revolution in technologies, computers and machines are taking away more human jobs each day. Then you have all the jobs fleeing the US. It's no wonder the government is having to massively lie about employment.

It's only going to get worse. My advice is to start your own business (a few really good threads around here on the topic with tons of business ideas) and live a small, sustainable debt free lifestyle.

Here's some ideas...


“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

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Possibilities are near endless!

Surely you've been exposed to other careers besides park ranger and school teacher?

Just scroll through the alphabetical codings on this page. There must be a couple thousand job titles. These listings don't even begin to cover the types of jobs there are:


(The irony of providing a state-created page isn't lost on me)

My suggestion would be to start a business. Trades would be fine, but even cleaning garages or removing rubbish can be lucrative. I own my own corporate writing business personally.

Currently consuming: Morehouse's "Better off free", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

How about "Slave"

Juror Form Lists 'Slave' as Occupation

DECATUR, Ga. - A new online questionnaire offered by the DeKalb County Court caught the attention of one potential juror who noticed that "slave" was listed as a choice for occupation.


Learn Programming

I am an automation specialist by trade working with System engineering. I do all aspects of systems automation, embedded, application and enterprise interface level programming, circuits, CAD design and optics but by far the easiest to earn a good living without college and the least requirement for a degree is programming.

DB programming with SQL is probably the easiest to get up to speed on and everything can be learned for free online but C# has some of the most diverse applications and needs out there but also much longer learning curve. If one chooses C# I would highly recommend starting with at least community college class in digital logic and possibly microprocessors as good foundation otherwise you might get lost. You can pick up the more advanced computer science concepts as you move through your career. If you just do programming then no real need for circuits.

Lots of programming needed out there and high pay for skilled workers. Most of this can all be learned online now and no need for degrees for most jobs.

Good pay and lots of work and alot of times you can work from anywhere in the world.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Ummm...explain this in English!

You and sam (below) are speaking a foreign language. Being unable to find ANY work and not having any money to start a business, I looked into a local college's 2 year program for networking...but after researching job opportunities, there are none for newbies. Everything I could find demanded a minimum of 5 years experience...or don't even apply...they are adamant. So...without any entry-level opportunities, I'll pass. I have a friend who does the networking thing and makes big money...but, he's been at it for decades.

Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

computer work isn't

for everyone and unless your already cracking the lid off of your machine, you probably won't like it. Only you know what will work for you, but based on the little info I have here are a few businesses that would talk almost nothing to start:
-Buy old stuff at estate sales and auctions and resell online
-Start giving your own tours
-Offer tutoring to struggling students

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

crazy. Another programmer/EE/sysadmin on here.

I think with the combined IT/programming experience of DP users here we could start the next google and buy our freedom =)

I would really be curious the ratio of engineers/programmers/IT to the user base here as a whole.

15 years experience here
- 15 years on/off systems administrator- linux systems, ISP, san/NFS/Email clusters, etc. No windows.
- 8 years linux kernel level programming on wireless embedded hardware, x86, BEMIPS, LEMIPS
- Network Engineering - multi-gigabit routers/switches, cisco,brocade, HP, VLANs, QinQ, design and virtualization w/ ESX on linux.
- Designed enhanced full duplex 802.11 protocol

--- homesteader, DIYer on about everything I can get my hands on including my automobiles and home building.

Peace, Freedom and Prosperity. Not War, Welfare and Bankruptcy.


you should start a thread..

Programmer/web-developer here with 10 years, no degree:
PHP {Zend, Yii}, Javascript {jQuery, Node, Bower, Angular}, SQL {MSSQL, MySQL, JDE, Mongo}, Coldfusion, Java {Swing, Android}, Bash Scripting

Got started as a hobbyist pretty young in 94 when I started a Renegade BBS running on DESKQview in DOS. Learned QuickBasic and TurboPascal and wrote a few door games.

Current project: trying to MIDIfy a broken Lowery Theatre Organ

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

become a farmer

Start by apprenticing with an organic grower. You might be able to find a deal with room and board.

It's a good way to travel across the country as well. See here:

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

I realize they're only loosely related via the great outdoors...

But you might consider becoming a "farmer for hire". I think a lot of people are interested in having a vegetable garden at home, but can't find the time to learn how to do it, let alone actually take it up seriously. Seems like a niche someone like you could fill.

Funny you should say that...

It's actually my dream to someday save enough to establish a homestead where I can live as "off the grid" as possible: raising chickens, small livestock, growing organic non-gmo veggies and fruits, etc.

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart

Well there you go!

Think of the possibilities in helping other people grow their own veggies too. People hire gardeners to keep their yards looking pretty, there must be some who would do the same to keep their bellies full of delicious organic food from their own yard? You could help them do all the planning and planting, then come around a couple times a week to keep it going. Get a handful of families on board and you've got a full time gig.


Following one's heart professionally makes enduring the rough times worth it.

Good luck

Meaning stick with the NPS?

Meaning stick with the NPS? Even though they continually pass me up for Vets, Minorities, and Disabled folks by default?

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart


and truth be told, I am in a similar situation as a part-time Music teacher so when the Spring/Fall sessions end, it’s belt-tightening time. I also refuse to take theft-based government Unemployment and it is a struggle, but the subject professionally complements my artistic dreams and I am happier for it.

Perhaps your enjoyment otherwise comes more from the outdoors or domestically with family and it is your choice to support it. In any case, I do believe Dr. Ron and others like Alex Jones are correct when saying that the political fight we face today is real and important. If our cause and whatever principled efforts we can participate in subsequently succeeds, it makes the trials worth enduring and the value of what we produce in love etc that much greater.

The future of course also is unknown and could end at any time, but I will leave you with an inspired quote

If I had to start again...

...I'd probably be a plumber... or an electrician. These days you can make a mint if you do the job well, to spec, no rework and have good customer service skills, i.e. show up on time, meet commitments, call people back, etc.

And it's real work that actually helps people.

Well I would definitely like

Well I would definitely like a job with no office (hence the ranger gig), but wouldn't you need to go to college again for this?

And realistically, how many jobs like those are available for someone just jumping in with no experience.

I was really hoping some of you could suggest a job that uses my current skill set rather than completely dumping them. I mean I've spent more that just the last 4 years doing this, add college and it's closer to 6-8 years of time invested, not to mention the cost of my degree.

"Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books...Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: 'I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't. I can. And my children will."

-Jimmy Stewart