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Royal Canadian Mounted Police Officer Says He Has The RIGHT To Use Marijuana While On Duty!


http://youtu.be/8ENkwVJO3UM

Should he have been fired though?

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It is not a issue of rights and wrongs. I am a firm believer that all government employees should be heavily medicated with cannabis as a requirement for employment.

and we should take their guns away...

All rights reserved and no rights waived.

For those making the "employer's rights" argument...

I normally agree with that sentiment.

This individual however was employed by the Canadian government.

Is the government a private company, or are they merely employees of the real owners, the Canadian people?

What is the specific law? What was the specific policy of the RCMP?
The MMJ patient officer said there was no such official restrictive policy.

My point is, since the RCMP are just employees themselves, owned collectively by the Canadian people, who has the authority (not just the power) to fire this man for smoking pot?

I don't know. The whole system is messed up. The people in Canada & USA want cannabis legalized. We are supposed to own our governments, but they seem to think they own us.
When it comes to government, I don't buy the "employers rights" points, because they are just employees themselves, and 'The People' are the CEO.
Hey RCMP, to quote Obama... "You didn't build that"...

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Simple

As he is employed he is under an agreement by contract.

He is to operate uninhibited.

Marajuana is inarguably an inhibitor. It inhibits your normal motor skills.

He broke the contract.

If he worked for me I would have fired him.

In his own time - that's his own thing, I don't care. But not while on duty.

Pot doesn't inhibit motor skills unless you're a 15yr. old girl

...who's smoking for the first time... while drinking heavily...

If he worked for me I'd match him on wake 'n bake...

It's marijuana, btw, not marajuana.

I love hearing criticisms and definitive statements from people about topics they have little to no personal experience with comparatively...
And if you're going to criticize it, please learn to spell it right.

Cannabis does not impair motor function, or coordination, especially to someone who uses regularly.
Cannabis is comparative to tobacco, though much less addictive and a much cleaner, lighter, sweeter smoke. The impairment effects of pot are no where near that of alcohol, which many ignoramus's like to compare it to.

So because he is most likely in no way impaired, he did not breach the contract. He stated there is no such anti-cannabis RCMP policy. You heard the attorney representing RCMP basically saying it just doesn't look good for 'public relations' reasons. That's what it's about.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

sigh

Firstly I misspelt it because I was using my phone and in the middle of something.

But thanks for the correction anyway - but it doesn't downplay my argument - nice try though.

I love hearing criticisms and definitive statements from people about topics they have little to no personal experience with comparatively...

That's a broad assumption. Ever grown it in your house? I have.

And if you're going to criticize it, please learn to spell it right.

see above - poor spelling a loss isn't an argument - it's just poor spelling.

Cannabis does not impair motor function, or coordination, especially to someone who uses regularly.
Cannabis is comparative to tobacco, though much less addictive and a much cleaner, lighter, sweeter smoke. The impairment effects of pot are no where near that of alcohol, which many ignoramus's like to compare it to.

So because he is most likely in no way impaired, he did not breach the contract. He stated there is no such anti-cannabis RCMP policy. You heard the attorney representing RCMP basically saying it just doesn't look good for 'public relations' reasons. That's what it's about.

That might be for you as an individual. But he is under a contract. The employer has rights too ya know. For the vast majority of people it is an inhibitor. Most people that write up an employment contract aren't going to evaluate someone regarding drug use. Some might but they would prefer not to have it. Tobacco use is also not preferred by some employers.

It's a drug. That is documented and agreed upon by most.

It's well documented to be an inhibitor. Some people get used to alcohol too and it takes more for them to get drunk when they are used to it but that isn't an excuse to drink during service, duty, employment and so on.

I'm sure people will be thrilled to know their flight captain has dropped his responsibility and taken a toke. Or maybe some alcohol.

Responsibility is yours and your employer will expect that of you.

Your argument is not very strong. Rethink it please.

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I'm with you on the spelling not necessarily hurting someone's points. But I stick by my point that if you are going to criticize it, you really should spell it right... ok...

Now to points that matter...

Have I ever grown it in my house?
I will not tell you that over the internet. But let's just say my knowledge on the subject is sufficient.

As for the "employer" argument, I made a post below already that addresses that point.

And as for your claim that cannabis is "well documented for being an inhibitor".
Please provide a link to some of these documents. I guarantee they are bias, unscientific, government backed, pre-determined studies.

There are just as many credible, independent studies proving cannabis' ability to inhibit coordination/motor skills is inconsequential.

http://norml.org/library/item/marijuana-and-driving-a-review...

http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/s1p2.htm

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The links that you posted

The links that you posted have their own bias. The love for it tends to overshadow the logic.

Look it's simple. If you want to work in a job that allows you to smoke it read a contract and sign a contract that allows you to.

I have a lot of first hand knowledge, experience, family members, friends and so on. I grew up in an environment where it was quite common to smoke it. I'm not against cannabis, I am for the end of the war on drugs - you can take as much as you like in your own time, that is your responsibility - I'm for the employer that has made a contract.

I'm also using logic to understand that some jobs come with requirements. If you don't meet the requirements - that is tough and that is the real world.

Canadian issue. None of my

Canadian issue. None of my business. :D

yes he should have the right to smoke in his own home

but an employer should also have the right to fire people who don't abide by the rules of the organization.

So do people have a "right"

to be drunk on duty?

smoking cannabis plant doesn't

impair functioning necessarily

You must smoke

really crap weed!

Non-sense... If you're a seasoned smoker it don't matter...

A veteran smoker will pull tubes of the finest cali kush all day and then drive across the country with no problem at all...

Why is it that we always hear about some of the world's best athletes testing positive for marijuana, yet they still play their sport at a high level?

No, cannabis does not physically impair you. It does not significantly effect your hand-eye coordination, motor functions, vision or any senses... in fact it may be a performance enhancer, if anything.

As someone with a long-time MMJ patient in the family I speak from personal experience.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

That's true,...

...Weed has no effect on employment requiring the watching of Gilligan's Island while eating milk and cookies.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

A calm, chilled-out, focused officer on duty, you say???

FIRED!!!

Just because we're Canadian doesn't mean we're any less of "dumbsh*ts" when it comes to Marijuana use, medical or not. We can't even remove a Crack-smoking Mayor from office but this guy gets shafted?

Shame on the RCMP for firing this dedicated man!

Update: Ron Francis turns over RCMP uniform | via CBC News

[...]Francis held an eagle feather in one hand throughout his visit to headquarters. Before handing over his dress uniform, Francis removed his medal for 20 years of exemplary service to the RCMP with shaking hands.

"It's my medal," a sobbing Francis said to reporters minutes later.

"They can have their uniform. This is my medal," he said.

"I earned this. I earned it with my blood, my sweat, my tears.

"I have not one flaw on my service record," said Francis. "My only flaw is I stuck up for the Canadian people.

"And I'd stick up for this country because the government doesn't do anything for them."[...]

SALUTE THE PATRIOT!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

If the right comes from

If the right comes from nature, can the right really be taken away in terms of natural law?

Be Your Own Media!!!

I guess we haven't really

I guess we haven't really come too far as a society. I keep hearing excuses, but you don't really hear people like this driving over people are acting irrationally in any way. I just hear excuses and they are getting old. The regulation that is going along with it is flawed and is irrational and it's concocted around false premises and the left wing idiots keep falling for it as much as they have failed on the entire issue. Tax and regulate is flawed in and of itself when it funds the enemy for which they turn around and do to society at large.

Be Your Own Media!!!

Seeeriously. Weed destroys short term memory.

Does an employer want his drivers falling asleep at traffic lights and driving at 30 mph on the Eisenhower Expressway at rush hour?

Do customers want to talk to paranoid employees whose eyes look like rrrroadmaps to red China? Oh Wow, Man. Cheech and Chong man. For real.

Take it from someone who smoked bushels of weed for 20 years and then stopped. I had to chain my wallet and keys to my belt loops to keep from losing them. I missed appointments constantly. I checked out The Memory Book from the library. I made lists and carried around odd items to help me remember what I was supposed to do. I tried to put off the responsibility for reminding me about meetings on the other person. I hired an executive secretary to keep track of stuff. No shit.

Weed destroys short term memory. Terribly. I had the worst short term memory when I was getting high, I quit 20 years ago and my short term memory is now the best.

Employees that smoke, ALL have difficulty remembering tasks and their production levels drop precipitously. I fired a guy this last summer for lying about smoking dope on company time right after it took him two days to hook up and install a water heater. We kept having to look for him, all over the shop. When he first started work, he didn't have money for pot, and he was awesome, but after he got paid, he was stoned out of his mind and he was a total loser.

Too many potheads are fooling themselves thinking they are just as good stoned.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

it's not for everyone

“Reality is a crutch for people who can’t cope with drugs”
Lily Tomlin

"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world."

~ Pothead Carl Sagan

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Lends a whole new meaning to the term, "Mounted"

"Dude, you mounted today,"? "Been mounted all week man". LOL

RCMP Roughly The Equivalant Of Our FBI

From what I understand.

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