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Vanilla Sky Movie

Warning... If you haven't watched the movie. Do not read this and check it out for yourself because you will be spoiled.

I know I might be late to this but a few weeks ago my friend introduced me to a movie called Vanilla Sky. He recommended the movie because we was talking about life after death. I told him, me being Christian makes me think it goes against God trying to live forever.

He then handed me Vanilla Sky and dang I was mind blown. This had to have been one of the best movies I have ever watched. The whole idea of dying and being able to live on through your dreams had me really interested. Since my dreams some times are better than real life itself.

The end was insane. Being frozen for hundreds of years and then being able to wake back up from being dead. I thought this movie fantastic. I am surprised I missed this.

What do you guys think about the movie and the whole idea of living in a lucid dream?

Do you think it goes against God? I some times think that it might just be Heaven. We live on through our minds..... And yeah I know Tom Cruise is a Scientologist.



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Tech Support!!!!

That line can also be used for a movie about Obamacare.

Me and my friend

were joking around and talking about how crazy the world has turned. Wondering if this is just some matrix we are living in.

I then mentioned to him, "Wouldn't it be funny if I walked around the mall yelling, tech support". lol

Watch the original spanish

Watch the original spanish version: Abre de ojos

Southern Agrarian

The best explanation that I

The best explanation that I have found about Life after death that goes fully hand in hand with the Bible is from Rudolf Steiner (he lived about 100 years ago in Switzerland) - also reincarnation goes together with Christianity in his view. - And the more You study this, the more it makes sense, it is not like all this other so often really crazy kind of reincarnation speculation stuff.

Steiner is interesting for more reasons (just don't fall in the propaganda trap if You try to find his book's or other things about him - as an example he is often called a racist........well was there an other person who is sometimes called racist to? What was his name?.....Ah: Ron Paul. So just because bad things are said about Ron Paul it doesn't need to be true - same for Steiner):

He wrote a book called "The Philosophy of Freedom" and many others (about 350 books),
And he was one of the only people at his time speaking against Woodrow Wilson,
And he was against big government - for example any kind of government interference in the education/School system.

And I could go on with such examples.

I remember really enjoying

I remember really enjoying the movie. I need to watch again. I don't get all the anti cruise sentiment. I think he has a range just a bit broader than say Morgan Freeman. But like Morgan Freeman he is exemplary in that range.
I remember thinking prior to watching "The Last Samurai" that TC was to big for the role. I believe he played the drunkard on the zen healing path superbly.others mentioned great performances as well. He is a consumate professional and his independence is to be applauded. What was the one where he was the hit man? And then there was Rainman. Anyway the Scientology stuff and jumping on a couch yadayada. Just noise that has nothing to do with his ability to deliver the fractured, flawed characters who go through a crucible of stress usually toward some positive end.

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Frozen organisms and parasites

This sentence resonated: "Being frozen for hundreds of years and then being able to wake back up from being dead."

A friend told me last night that one of the reasons we have sexual reproduction is so that a parasite won't wipe out the entire species.

There is an asexually-reproducing organism, which fights off its parasites by making it an inhospitable environment. Not exactly freezing, but shutting down and dessicating, removing all the water from its body (so it's obviously land-based -- not sure what the organism is, he didn't say, but it's a smaller one). The parasites die, and when it's exposed to water again, it recovers and continues its life.

I find parallels between art and life fascinating, especially when the art seems so "far out".

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Loved 'em both...

...the original and the remake. As for people hating on Tom Cruise, be honest: if you knew nothing about his Scientology connections would you not think he is one of the greatest actors alive?!? Jerry Maguire is still awesome!

No-one but Paul!

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Hey man,

You :'( complete :'( me

He's the man.

You had me at 'hello.'

i liked it but

i found the music twice as loud as everything else, and was bugged to have to keep adjusting the volume.

It's a remake...

...of a 1997 Spanish movie, co-starring Penelope Cruz, named "Open Your Eyes (Abre los ojos)". I didn't like Vanilla Sky at all, but the original was great (the movies are quite different so you may enjoy both for different reasons), as long as you're OK with subtitles.

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Fuck 'em all, we don't need 'em

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Thanks for the heads up

A double feature DVD with another movie called 'Twice Upon Yesterday' is under six bucks on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Twice-Upon-Yesterday-Double-Feature/dp...

I'll order it when I get back home.

- - -

Part of the reason I liked it was because I had such low expectations going in. Not a big Tom Cruz fan, but he does have a few gems, including this one and Minority Report, and his latest one, Oblivion.

He's the man.
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Vanilla Sky is an awesome movie

One of my favorites of all times.

I was also pleasantly surprised the first time I watched it.

He's the man.

Joe Rogan


http://youtu.be/grcqs9cDuN8

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

POWERFUL Joe Rogan!

His podcast is the most exciting thing to happen in new media and is what got me interested in Ayahuasca.

For those that aren't familiar with Ayahuasca, it is a brew made from two types of plants, one is the source of the DMT and the other is a digestive inhibitor to keep your body from breaking down the DMT on contact with your system and is probably the most potent and intense DMT experience known to man. I have yet to experience it but unlike smoking DMT which lasts for 5-10 minutes, drinking Ayahuasca lasts a few hours and requires some mental and spiritual preparation. It's not like smoking a J and having a good time, it's about taking your consciousness beyond the limits of our daily lives, something that will most likely shatter reality for many people. I'm not quite ready for that myself but maybe in the next couple of years I'll take a trip down to the Amazon with my mom who's interested in it as well.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Ayahuasca aint no joke

its a very powerful brew for the brave. I do not endorse it because traveling on DMT for 5 mins is pretty intense. Traveling on DMT for more than a couple of hours while throwing up in between is Insane.

their is however, a process that removes only the active ingredients of Caapi and Psychotria that is called Pharmahuasca.

It is very unlikely anyone will be able to take part in these because US Customs are already making efforts to control DMT containing plants from entering the US....what a surprise.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

No joke indeed

I have experience (years ago) with LSD and Psilocybin but not with the intention of exploring consciousness. In the last 4 years or so, as I have become more spiritually focused and interested in exploring and expanding consciousness through meditation practices, Ayahuasca has really gotten me interested.

When I'm ready for it I wouldn't even try to look for it locally (in Canada). It's something that demands great respect and I strongly believe that it should be done in its native environment amongst the shamans who have a lifetime of experience working with the brew and its mysteries.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

da man

I like that guy :)

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

I saw the movie twice!


I saw the movie twice at the theaters when it first came out. I thought Penelope Cruze was totally awesome in it, and stole every scene. Camereon Diaz was also great. Tom Cruise had great chemistry with both actresses, and took on a difficult role and showed his talent.

The sequencing was a little hard to follow the first time. It wasn't easy figuring out what was real, what was a dream, what already happened, and what never really was. But that is also what makes this film so worthwhile. It makes you think, and then makes you think some more.

The music was also really well done. Nancy Wilson, the guitarist from the group "Heart" (Barracuda, Dog and the Butterfly, Crazy on You, etc.), was the musical director for the film.

I'm not sure if the film has a specific message about living forever, or living through dreams, or being made alive after being frozen. The ending seems to suggest we should live for the moment and make the best of it -- whatever the obstacles. But there is enough ambiguity in the film that you can interpret things in a variety of ways.

The movie is extremely well acted and produced, and spellbinding entertainment. I like the fact that this movie is about characters and human psychological struggle -- and NOT about cheap special effects, people shooting guns around, things blowing up, "good guys" .vs. "bad guys", computer graphics b. s., and the usual lowest denominator garbage that so many Hollywood movies are about.

It's a movie well worth seeing multiple times....

Did you see it 4 times?

Because, after all, 4 times means something.

Well he

chose to live in the real world, so maybe it was telling us to stay away from lucid dreaming because it could turn into a nightmare? I do see where you are coming from.

Insidious gave me that feeling.

Probably my favourite "mindf***" movie ever.

I felt "high" walking out of the theatre as if I was dreaming. It was really messed up. But that's why I loved it!

I've had lucid dreams and have pretty much began to fly each time. Once I remember being up above the clouds during a sunset when I was joined by a fighter jet. It just flew with me and rocked back and forth through the air. It was an ironically peaceful moment. And the experience was completely real. Experiences like that have expanded my "faith" in there being something beyond that seems to be infinite and ever-expanding. Call that whatever suits you. Considering the theme here seems to be Freedom, I'm not sure I find it too appealing to bind my "soul" to a computer program.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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The way that I read...

The way that I read comments is strange; I tend to just read the headline, then start reading the comment, skipping over the rest of the "header" (user, time, date). Perhaps I take it in "subliminally".

I say this because as I read your comments, I tend to know that it's you. :)

I've had only a few lucid dreams in my life. Generally, they stop as soon as I am aware they have started; it tends to be me saying, "Hey, I'm dreaming!" But the last word starts drawing out longer, more like "Hey, I'm dr-a-a-o-o-u-u-u" and I wake up.

The few times I've managed to keep it together enough to stay asleep, though, as you mentioned, the first thing I do? Jump off the ground, and stay off. Flying is so much fun.

Is there a routine you follow, or technique that helps? Appreciate it friend, cheers!

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:) I appreciate the "recognition" TOO.

The only technique I use is just staying calm when I realize I'm lucid. I pause and take a couple deep slow breaths and just try to be Present in the moment. You fall into a resonant "frequency" of consciousness. When you realize you are lucid, you get excited and you fall "out of sync". Just takes some practice. I was able to keep it under control for what seemed like at least 30 minutes (in the dream) and I actually flew to Orion. Yes, the nebula. And I was just awe struck by the beauty of this distant place.

In terms of techniques to induce a lucid dream state, I often just "ask" for it with my intention when falling asleep. Doesn't work every time. I've tried a method which borders on an OBE (Out of Body Experience) where you lay down on your back in bed and raise on of your arms straight in the air and try to fall asleep. Once you doze off your arm will fall and wake you. Repeat this as many times as you can. This will slowly blur the line between a wake and sleep state. Some can just slip right into a lucid dream from there. I haven't had that kind if success just yet but I haven't really put the time into developing it.

Apparently Joe Rogan sells a supplement called Alpha Brain (I think that's the one) that is said to increase lucidity while dreaming. Many users have reported an increase as well. I'm considering giving it a try (30 pill money back guarantee too - no questions asked on onnit.com).

I've also started Robert Monroe's HemiSync program that trains you to control your energy states. It's pretty intense and awesome at the same time. "found" it online ;)

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I can't

do a lucid a dream. My friend does it all the time.

There are supplements that may help

I mentioned above Alpha Brain that many say has increased their lucid dreams and ability to maintain them.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

What are your thoughts

What are your thoughts on an outer body experience?

I want to have one :)

Just for the experience of having one. Although, I tell people that it is easier to have an "inner body experience".

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Might be the worst movie I'd ever tried to watch

didn't make it to halfway. Wife and father in law watched the whole thing figuring it would have to get better at the end. Both said it was horrible. Just horrible.

We used to like Tom Cruise...but now we can't stand him. I saw rock of ages yesterday...it was playing where I ate thanksgiving dinner...Tom Cruise did not fit that character at all.