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Jesuit Pope Says "Prince of This World" is Against God & Says Christians Will Be Persecuted in End Times


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Update: Analysis of the article by Alan Lamont:


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most bigots are convinced

their opinions are facts.

Yep, and you need to look in the mirror Frank

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

downvotes represent hate for

Frank's downvotes represent hate from others, not of Frank.

Why was this thread created?

Answer wise marhlfld? What was the point of this thread and who was being attacked?

deacon's picture

yes,so true

hence your own comments to all on this topic
just stick you head back in the sand,or was it ever taken out
But,what i posted are not opinions,these are facts,and it does show
your immaturity to not even see it for yourself
read,look and see for yourself,or die being ignorant
this is your choice,and i could care less what you do
the catholic church handed out get out of sin cards,these were to be used
by the congregation,you see,they could sin,place in the offering plate,and get a free sin out of the deal FACT
FACT,the catholic churches and the muslims use the same design,the crescent moon,and the star.....why???
the church was found molesting children...fact....what the church did,move the leaders to other churches where they weren't know,they were not prosecuted
they were not thrown out of the church,or anything that resembled a biblical response....WHY??
the catholic church took whole books and chapters out of the bible...fact why??
and you call everyone with questions bigots???? you are the bigot,and you hide it all behind a false tainted bible and your religion

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Are you sincerely asking? If so

Early in Mass we confess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confiteor
So, a "getting" off the sin hook... maybe it helped some people mentally who had cpommittee great sins and had mental breakdowns and no meds? We are all sinners.

"I confess to almighty God and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned, in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done and in what I have failed to do, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault; therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin, all the Angels and Saints, and you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God."

Cresent Moom and star are for Mary, the Mother of God, the only human free of sin, which is taken from scripture http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/in...

As for the shamfull child abuse: "By 2009, U.S. dioceses have paid more than US$2.6 billion in abuse-related costs since 1950.[103][104]"

personally, I think the Church was infiltraited to be taken down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases wiki tells the gloabl story.. and just because of there churchs or temples are not mentioned.. doesn't mean child abuse never happened or is not happening.

Catholic Church offers 73 books (more than anyone else) and chapters and books are reserved for scholars, could be a number of reasons.. here is where faith plays a role..

deacon's picture

yes,seriously :)

if all fall short of the grace of God (all)
then mary is not free from sin,she was afterall born of man.just as jesus was
the crescent moon and star is pagan worship,and how nice to be attributed to mary (your words come right out of the catholic bible(which was created by man) but was it inspired by god?
yes true,the church paid out for child abuse,the same thing can be said of all lending institutions(they get a slap on the wrist,but go right back to doing it
In the case of the catholic church,it never ended
don't take this the wrong way,I have only talked (here) about the catholic church,but as I have stated in the past,most major religions spawned from that group
so,in my eyes,it stands to reason,that all lack in knowledge,and all fall short of what gods intent and purpose was

I have for the most part been a part of 4 major religions in 40 plus yrs,what i can say,is this,one group doesn't like the other over their doctrines
one groups believes a fib is different than a lie.
most groups will have to do with the other groups
and some will not intermarry.,meaning they were raised in this group,and will not marry another from another group
all this.for me is very telling of the hearts of man
and i do not lie it one bit,it falls short of the message of love shoot,granger,i have had people from church tell me"we need to go kill brown ppl,as it is gods will,and it keeps us free"
when i question as to where it states that,i get that ole evil eye
hey,thanks for them links :)

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

I have a vid for you to watch

No Deacon, you are a bigot.

We could debate all night your opinions, your generalities. We could compare the scandals found in all the Christian faiths. We could discuss how most of these scandals unfold because humans are imperfect and often twist doctrine to fancy their vices. We could spend years discussing all the good things Catholics have done. We could discuss how they preserved the Christian faith for thousands of years and how this would not have been possible without a powerful Institution, BUT, I have a feeling you think you know it all and aren't really interested in the big picture. You have found your little specks of imperfection and you take comfort fixating on them.

deacon's picture

you SIR

will not,nor do you want to learn
you refuse to see things the way they are
you refuse to see how or why books and chapters were taken out
and by the catholics
refuse to see how it was set up with all below them and we are called sub human you refuse to see how or why constantine told the practicing christians,"they will not celebrate the feasts or ceremonies of the lord
you refuse to see why constantine bowed to the morning sun,and worshiped it

you refuse to see how easter ( a pagan holiday of child sacrifice entered into the church)
you also refuse to see how christmas entered into the church,and how this is also
an abomination(as this too,is paganism)
you refuse the inquisitions for what they were and are,which was a purging of real christians and the real message
you refuse to see what the pope carries which is a penis 9staff) right out of babylon
you also won't see the fish garb he wears (which is the worship of fish)
also out of babylon
man cannot make things holy,but the church thinks and acts as if it can
and to this day...does
so..keep calling everyone a bigot,you will die ignorant and without knowledge,just as predicted
oh,and I see you couldn't answer any of my questions,does it create confusion for you,or too difficult?

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Yes, yes, holy deacon.

I get it. Catholics are bad, you and your interpretation of the bible is good/right. I suggest you look up the definition of bigot. This thread is sad proof of how bigots are oblivious to their bigotry. Remember when racists paraded out scientific papers to justify their cruel treatment of black people? Did they think they were acting like bigots? Of course not, they had "facts" on their side. Time to wake up deacon. Jesus is not smiling down on you and your behavior.

deacon's picture

lol

foolish child
someone below suggested the same to you about the word bigot
this describes you,to a t
most here,so far put truth to print,and all you came back with
bigotry and name calling....nice jesus way of dealing with people,now isn't it?
and no he isn't smiling,as you irritated him so badly,you are ignorant
of the bible,you are ignorant of religion
and you will die that way,as you will not learn anything of value
look into what i typed,but I bet you haven;t the balls to do so
you are a weak excuse for a being,and you are trying to projecting this inadequacy onto others
your hope is the church,not what the savior says
you defend all the lies tooth and nail,but do not,and actively turn a blind eye to any and all truth

there is no truth to do be found in you,you are a dead husk,chaff and fodder

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

Once again, Deacon good, Catholics bad.

Oh, I get it Deacon. Loud and clear.

Christians are already persecuted, you just dont realize it

Evil does not attack those it doesn't consider a threat!

The same way people will agree with you and are nice, but when you bring up like 9/11 they flip out and close their ears, the majority of "Christians" will agree with you, until you bring up the fact they don't live like Christ and they flip out and close their ears.

The majority of so called Christians today are "not persecuted" because they are NOT CHRISTIAN! They hide under the guise of Christianity to make themselves feel better, they go to church every week, get a spiritual buzz, but then ignore the majority of things Christians are supposed to be doing, including being involved with politics, informing and protecting innocents of danger, and once church is over, they go back to making sure their life is uninformed, dull and everyday the same.

Christ even said himself:
Matthew 13:10
And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

15For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

These people traveled far to hear and see Christ, but Christ knew, they were the people that "go along with the crowd," and salvation is not granted to those who tag along without understanding.

As a born and raised

As a born and raised Christian, I gotta say, it does seem that it's CHRISTIANS that are most supportive of imperialistic and aggressive war and lawlessness on the part of the State. The State seems to be their god now. So who's doing the persecuting? I really don't know

The Scofield Bible Was Indisputably Used As A Cause For War

In fact, the Scofield Bible became the cornerstone for the Christian Zionist war monger movement (representing a large portion of neocon voters). To this end, the following short documentary needs to be shared with every church pastor possible:

"The Roots of Christian Zionism: How Scofield Sowed Seeds of Apostasy"
- http://vimeo.com/29901084

See also "Sowing The Seeds For A Peace Revolution - The Elephant In The Room"
- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

Christians Need Not Be Persecuted in End Times

I don't know about you, but I personally would not like to see any of my Christian friends persecuted in end times. However, I do know it is not necessary for Christians to be persecuted in end times, and no, I am not talking about the rapture, which I have found to be thoroughly debunked on the Internet (try Google-ing "rapture debunked").

I do however believe this to be a case where the truth really can set you (and all your Christian friends) free. This truth is explained with crystal clear clarity in the following post (specifically within the greater mid-section of the post):

- http://www.dailypaul.com/241312/sowing-the-seeds-for-a-peace...

Best wishes!

Permalink: http://www.dailypaul.com/306826/christians-need-not-be-perse...

- AMAZING PHOTO delineating where UNRESTRAINED CAPITALISM has taken us: http://www.rense.com/general96/whatare.html
- "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-- Mohandas Gandhi

Theories and philosophies

Theories and philosophies abound everywhere, but are they based on Truth or sand?
First of all, what is a Christian? A Christian is a person who has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, and is born anew into a life of fidelity to the commandments outlined in the Bible. (Eph. 1:22, 5:23; Colos. 1:18, 2:9-10, 2:16-19)
Secondly, what does Bible Prophecy say about Christians suffering in the end times? Read Mathew chapter 24, and you will get your answer:
Math 24:9-12

"Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

If you look at the 7 Seals in Revelations chapter 6, here is the sequence:
Seal 1: White Horse - Conquest of False Christian Theology (325 A.D.)
Seal 2: Red Horse - Conquest by the sword (538 A.D. - 1798 A.D.)
Seal 3: Black Horse - Conquest through control of laws, money (fiat currency and not real money), commerce, banking, food production, resources (1798 - Present)
Seal 4: Yellow Horse mounted by Death - Mass killing of the fourth part of the inhabitants of the earth because they fail to receive Digital Currency with a forced RFID chip implanted in the right hand or forehead. (UN will spearhead this as the image of the Holy Roman Empire) Rev. 20:4
Seal 5: White-robed martyrs are asking Jesus to execute judgement on the earth because they were decapitated, but Jesus states to wait until the complete number of martyrs is fulfilled
Seal 6: Jesus comes to gather his people (the first resurrection) and to punish all kings, princes, great merchants of the earth and all of the powerful who have denied His Justice and Truth.
Seal 7: The 7 Angels with the 7 Trumpets are prepared with the vials of wrath to be poured on the people who received the Mark of the Beast

For everyone who takes God's Word seriously, where in the Bible does it say that His people won't be persecuted?

I warn all of the people who put "Peace" before Truth, Justice and Obedience to God's Word:
1 Thes. 5:1-3

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

If people want to talk about what will happen to Christians in the end times, please make sure what you state is backed up by Scripture, so we can verify your theory. Whoever is in the habit of believing interpretations, and doesn't verify for himself, is not serious about their own Salvation.

If someone is interested in having Bible study discussions about Daniel and Revelations, please feel free to reach out.

With Love to All,
Alex_B

Please, Catholic DailyPaul members

notice how some of your comrades in Liberty here on the DP freely post that the Catholic church is a cult and run by Satan. They also believe the Vatican is helping build the NWO. Do you REALLY think these individuals want to secure your freedom? Think. What do they really want out of the "Liberty" Movement? How many Catholics do we have on the DailyPaul claiming other DP members belong to cults and their religious leadership is run by Satan? These individuals are bigots and clearly have the run of the place.

Less whining, more research please.

Have you ever considered that there is a reason why we have a problem with the Roman Church? You may want to crack open a history book on what sort of treatment the Roman Clergy endorsed in dealing with people like John Wycliffe for the unspeakable crime of translating the scriptures into the vernacular language of his nation (English), or what they did to Jan Hus for encouraging people to resist lawless, Pharisee-like priests as instructed in the New Testament.

Leaving the Protestant Reformation out of the equation, you might also want to consider the treatment that the Nuns at the Convent of Port Royal went through at the hands of the Jesuits, or better yet, how they excommunicated Pasquier Quesnel (a French priest, theologian and staunch supporter of Roman Catholicism) for, among another 100 ridiculous reasons, the horrid suggestion that women be allowed to read the scriptures.

Look up the Bull Unigenitus with regard to Quesnel, and also check Wikipedia or even the New Advent website (a pro-Roman website) for historical accounts of Jan Hus and John Wycliffe being burned at the stake, as well as the entire Convent of Port Royal being burned to the ground and all of its nuns imprisoned for touting a pure Augustinian doctrine (St. Augustine of Hippo is a Roman Catholic Saint and the Doctor of Grace).

With all due respect FrankOff and anyone else who would lecture me about how I need to bend the knee to the Vatican in order to be a proponent of Liberty, to hell with the Pope, the Jesuits and anyone else who would compel me to wrongly understand The Word and to aid Romanist hucksters in fleecing the masses to replenish the coffers at the Vatican Bank.

“My attitude toward progress has passed from antagonism to boredom. I have long ceased to argue with people who prefer Thursday to Wednesday because it is Thursday.” - G.K. Chesterton

A voice of reason in the sea of insanity

Thank you, I wish I could be as eloquent and precise. Once I did all the research, I knew I would never enter another man made religion church building. I'm independent and non-denominational. I am FREE!

There certainly has been a

There certainly has been a run on Roman Catholicism. If one can ignore the various sects and their dogma...The Christian message is worthy...but we are killing off the messengers. Somehow it makes sense to me. The Christian soul is an ingrained thing that doesn't disappear because politics would have it so.

3 things that might help you understant things.

1) Search out information about the Inquisition.
2) Search out information about the Reformation.
3) Search out why the Jesuits had been run out of many (78? Catholic countries).

You can't speak about liberty and call people bigots until you have read and understand the history that gave you the demimishing freedom you enjoy today.

If you aren't standing up for the truth, you Sir, are the bigot.

Base

PS. I was raised in a Catholic home and have nothing against my Catholic neighbors. They are waking up.

You are bigots. Period

Most bigots are convinced their opinions are facts. They think this magically allows them to spew bigotry and not be bigots. The catholic institution is very old and has grown up through our humanity. Yes, there have been mistakes and massive corruption. The institution, like a person, is maturing and evolving. If you viewed humanity by its past performance, you could also suggest "humanity" is evil and not worth saving. You are bigots and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you have the chance to grow/evolve.

Question FrankOff

Are you in favor of the Constitution? Are you in favor of Obama's Health Care take over?

Which do you pick?

No Frank

You need to look up the word Bigot.

a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

Then go look in a mirror.

We don't hate you. We just wish you'd look at the evidence and FACTS. We are intolerant of ignorance which you display.

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was given these sites

http://ucadia.com/glossary/glossary_c.htm

here is an tidbit the letter C

CANON
From ancient Greek κανών (kanón) meaning "measuring rod, standard for carpentry/building". Hence, a literal translation from ancient Greek is as the "carpenter's standard"--an obvious association to the false claim of Jesus being a carpenter as first created by the ROMAN CULT into CATHOLIC CHURCH liturgy from the 12th Century onwards. The word pre-dates its use in ancient Greek back to Hebrew קנה (qaneh) = "reed" and Akkadian qanū = "reed". In common legal usage, a "canon" represents a law of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

http://one-heaven.org/lexica/en/define/divine%20creator.html

D

setting your expectations to high,can cause depression

The prince of this world.

The commentator in the first video seems surprised that the Pope identifies the "prince of this world" as the enemy of God.

Most Christians believe that the prince of this world is satan, the devil. But how does satan work? Through the natural minds of men and their institutions, especially religious and governing institutions.

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. (Ephesians 2:1)

because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so. (Romans 8:7)

We see from this that minds of unregenerate men work in concert with the prince of this world system. The enemy of God in this world system is unregenerate mankind. This is why it is written that:

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (1 John 5:19)

Those who are disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ seek to overcome the works of the devil within themselves by the Spirit of the Son in them, just as the firstborn Son overcame him.

I (Jesus) will not speak with you much longer, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me, (John 14:30)

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens. (Ephesians 6:12)

This does not mean that the enemy of God is in control of everything. There is a time for every purpose under heaven and nothing in Heaven or Earth happens apart from the Plan and purposes of God.

The Lord owns the earth and all it contains, the world and all who live in it. (Psalm 24:1)

Aren’t five sparrows sold for two pennies? Yet not one of them is forgotten before God. In fact, even the hairs on your head are all numbered. Do not be afraid; you are more valuable than many sparrows. (Luke 12:6-7)

There will never be a time when the plans of men will ever fully succeed. Just as the Tower of Babel came to nothing so the present plans of men seeking world dominion will fail. The only world government that will be established forever and ever is the Kingdom of God.

"In the days of those kings the God of heaven will raise up an everlasting kingdom that will not be destroyed and a kingdom that will not be left to another people. It will break in pieces and bring about the demise of all these kingdoms. But it will stand forever. You saw that a stone was cut from a mountain, but not by human hands; it smashed the iron, bronze, clay, silver, and gold into pieces. The great God has made known to the king what will occur in the future. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is reliable.”" (Daniel 2:44-45)

The days of the empires of men are drawing to a close. There will be no realisation of their dreams of world domination. Their kingdoms are already falling. The Kingdom of God is at the very door. The Pope is mistaken as are all the evangelical churches waiting for an "Antichrist" and a rapture. Look up for your redemption draws nigh.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Well stated David

That was very thorough and very acurate!

Maranatha!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~