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WARNING! Gun rights, Ammo Buyers, National Security, Last Lead Smelter in USA to be shut down by EPA call your Senator Now

The last lead smelter in the USA is being shut down by the EPA, after which the entire ammo market for our military and civilian use will be reliant upon foreign imports that can be stopped at a whim by import regulations by the federal government or even boycotts by other countries.

The smelter has been in continuous operation since the 1890's, it's located in Herculanium, MO and is called the Doe Run plant.

Please call your Senator's and congressmen and make them aware of this national security and 2nd Amendment issue.

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George Washington Tells us Not to be Dependent on Others

GEORGE WASHINGTON Tells "CITIZENS" to "BUILD MILITARY ARMS" for "THEMSELVES": First Annual Message to Congress, January 8, 1790: http://www.pbs.org/georgewashington/collection/other_1790jan...

George Washington:

"...Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit "particular regard". To be prepared for war, is one of the "most effectual means of preserving peace".

A "FREE" "PEOPLE" ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and "their" safety and interest "REQUIRE" that they "should promote" such manufactories" as tend to render "THEM" (THE PEOPLE - CITIZENS) "independent" on others for "essential", "PARTICULARLY" for "MILITARY supplies"." ...."

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Thankyou. This is finally receiving front page coverage.

I've posted this before and couldn't get any traction. Like I said before, they won't have to outlaw guns if they just cut off our ammunition supply.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

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Follow Up #2:

As I noted below in an earlier post, I forwarded a letter to them suggesting a nationwide fund raiser to obtain the funds to keep the smelter operational. I actually received a response from the company tonight and the woman who responded said that they are in fact working on opening a smaller plant with new technology which allows them to operate without the use of the smelter. She also stated that she appreciated the idea and that it is something they will consider doing and will contact me if they do. That's really exciting to me! Wouldn't it be great if we could get Americans to get together and support these industries that are being forced out of business because they can not meet a group of unelected bureaucrats arbitrary, unreasonable and monumental requirements. I have little doubt that this is a political move and wouldn't it be nice to see Americans standing together to keep them from reaching their goals. I will post any additional response I get from them. Just wanted to share. :)

No Regulation that May Effect the Citizens of the Union at Large

Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:

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Mr. GEORGE MASON "...asked to what purpose the laws were read. The objection was, that too much power was given to Congress power that would finally destroy the state governments more effectually by insidious, underhanded means, than such as could be openly practiced.

This, said he, is the opinion of many worthy men, not only in this Convention,but in all parts of America. ..."

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Mr. MADISON. "Mr. Chairman: I did conceive, sir, that the clause under consideration was one of those parts which would speak its own praise. It is hardly necessary to say any thing concerning it. Strike it out of the system, and let me ask whether there would not be much larger scope for those dangers.

I cannot comprehend that the power of legislating over a "SMALL DISTRICT", which "CANNOT EXCEED TEN MILES SQUARE", and "MAY NOT BE MORE" than "ONE MILE", will involve the dangers which he (PATRICK HENRY) apprehends.

If there be any knowledge in my mind of the nature of man, I should think it would be the last thing that would enter into the mind of any man to grant "exclusive advantages", in a VERY CIRCUMSCRIBED DISTRICT, to the prejudice of the community at large..."

"...The states may make what stipulation they please in it, and, if they apprehend ANY danger, they may REFUSE it (laws made by the federal legislature) ALTOGETHER. ..."

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Mr. Edmund PENDLETON. "Mr. Chairman, this clause does "NOT" give Congress power to impede the operation of "ANY PART" of the Constitution, (N)OR to make "ANY REGULATION" that (EVEN) "MAY" AFFECT the interests of the citizens of the Union "AT LARGE". 



But it gives them power over the "LOCAL POLICE" OF "THE PLACE", so as to be secured from any interruption in their proceedings.

Notwithstanding the violent attack upon it, I believe, sir, this is the "fair CONSTRUCTION of the (SUPREMACY) clause".

It gives them power of exclusive legislation in any case within >>>>"THAT" "DISTRICT".



What is the meaning of this?

What is it opposed to? Is it opposed to the general powers of the federal legislature, or to those of the state legislatures?

I understand it as opposed to the legislative power of that state WHERE IT SHALL BE (the 10 MILES SQUARE OF WASHINGTON, DC).



What, then, is the power? 



It is, that Congress shall exclusively legislate "THERE" (THE 10 MILES SQUARE),

in order to preserve {440} serve the POLICE of >>>"THE PLACE" and their "OWN" personal independence, that they may not be overawed or insulted, and of course to preserve them in opposition to any attempt by the state "WHERE IT SHALL BE"

this is the "fair CONSTRUCTION"."

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The Federal Government CANNOT "govern" "Police" outside the 10 Miles Square of Washington, DC.

All such police forces, laws, definition of crimes etc. outside the 4 they had originally been delegated are unconstitutional. ALL.

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Thank you Richard!

Your Constitutional knowledge, analysis and references are always much appreciated!

Debbie

idiot spokesperson now saying not to worry

we only make bullets from recycled lead!

Just a dumb question spokesidiot, but where does recycled lead originally come from? Oh that's right virgin lead smelted at the last plant in the USA.

So when the recycled lead gets low, where do they get new lead from for future recycling?

Answer: Foreign sources

They think we are idiots, obviously you can only recycle for so long.

NOTE: British Petroleum is "asked" by EPA to not spray core exit

and they do anyway, compounding the chemical toxicity of the gulf oil spill.

No one-not the attorneys, not the government, not the courts, not the environmentalists; notifies the public that the BP drilling operation is under the jurisdiction of GATT wherein US courts have no authority.

But, in this case, the courts and BP pretend to so the public doesn't catch on.

Now, after DHS buys 450m rounds of 10mm pistol rounds, the EPA is shutting of the flow of lead for the weapons which are in Americas possession.

I've got the thread about the purpose of free speech. I'm not making one about the purpose of owning a gun and having bullets for it.

I've tried and infiltrators there insist its only about having "cold, dead hands" before guns are relinquished. I agree, but do not prefer such an outcome and prefer intervention before it gets that far. Any reasonable American should/would agree. In the 2nd amendment forum, that kind of agreement cannot happen because it will be covered with a mound of obsufucation and distraction. The dynamics of protecting rights is lost in the group nonsense falsely positioned in the 2nd amendment forum by infiltration. Common sense does not work in forums that are infiltrated when people do not know or believe such infiltration is occurring.

But I will say that Americans that wish to have effective protection from government, better start looking at the purpose of free speech for unity, and the use of our first right, Article V with that unity, in order to protect all other rights and restore constitutional government.

Can we stop doing all the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?

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It is my understanding

that the reason they can not comply with the EPA regulations is that it is too costly for them to do so. What if they could get all concerned gun owners to "contribute" to the smelter so that they can meet the new requirements and avoid the shutdown? I would gladly contribute whatever I could afford to keep the smelter open. If only 1/3 of American gun owners would contribute a mere $20.00 each, that would bring in a minimum $40,000,000, which surely would be enough for them to comply with the new regulations. I think I am going to contact the company and suggest that they at least pursue this avenue before they let the gestapo EPA accomplish their goal.

Just a thought.

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Follow up:

I just forwarded them an email suggesting that they try a fundraiser before they let the smelter be shut down. It really would be pretty simple to put together. They could send a memo to the NRA, GOA and other similar groups and ask that it be distributed to all of it's members and possibly put out a radio campaign at the same time.

I hope they take it seriously and try to pursue it. All American gun owners have a vested interest in keeping this smelter open and what a great thing it would be to see Americans step up to help other Americans in their time of need.

That may even be a great idea for a new website. There are so many small agriculture, farming and other American industries that are being manhandled by these federal thugs and by themselves there is very little they can do, but if American's had a place to go where they can help these people when they get attacked we might be able to help stop some of these tragedies from taking place....or to quote Benjamin Franklin "we must all hang together, or surely we will all hang apart".

See the forest through the trees...

I appreciate the outcry about the ammo, but it's not necessary. Many bullet manufacturers do not get their lead from primary sources such as the Doe Run facility. Ammo is made with RECYCLED lead. This facilities closure will have little impact on ammo production. Many ammo companies have said so on their FAQ pages or in statements online.

The real story is the EPA and the Obama regime have forced another American business to close its operation forever. Increasing government control and regulations are killing jobs and prosperity.

Coal fired generating plants all over the country are being forced to close because of EPA regulations and the regime. Nuclear power is under attack. It's bad.

Thanks Nixon!

George Washington Tells Citizens to Build Military Weapons

GEORGE WASHINGTON Tells "CITIZENS" to "BUILD MILITARY ARMS" for "THEMSELVES" and not rely on others for this purpose:

First Annual Message to Congress, January 8, 1790:

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George Washington: "...Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit "particular regard". To be prepared for war, is one of the "most effectual means of preserving peace".

A "FREE" "PEOPLE" ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and "their" safety and interest "REQUIRE" that they "should promote" such manufactories" as tend to render "THEM" (THE PEOPLE) "independent" on others for "essential", "PARTICULARLY" for "MILITARY supplies"." ...."

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Federalist #46: Educate Yourself as to the Definition of MILITIA

Federalist #46: James Madison - Complete Quote Text ( http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm ):

James Madison: "...The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger.

That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterrupted succession of men ready to betray both;

that THE "TRAITORS" should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment;

that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and " continue to supply the materials", "until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads", must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger.

The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men.

"TO THESE" (The United States Military) WOULD BE "OPPOSED" A (CITIZEN) "MILITIA" amounting to near half a million of "CITIZENS" with "ARMS IN THEIR HANDS", OFFICERED BY MEN CHOSEN FROM "AMONG THEMSELVES" (CHOSEN BY THE LOCAL CITIZEN'S - NOT MILITARY OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT), fighting for their (THE CITIZEN'S) common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their (THE CITIZEN MILITIA'S) affections and confidence.

It may well be doubted, whether a (CITIZEN) MILITIA "thus circumstanced" (25 to 1 ARMED POWER RATIO) could ever be conquered by such a (SMALL) proportion of "regular troops" (i.e. federal US ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES).

Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it.

Besides the advantage of (THE CITIZENS) being armed, which the Americans (CITIZENS) possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of "subordinate governments", to which the people are attached, and by which the (CITIZEN) MILITIA officers are appointed (officered by men chosen among themselves), forms a barrier against the "enterprises of ambition", more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes.

But were the people to "possess" the additional advantages of "LOCAL" governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the (CIVILIAN) militia, by these (LOCAL) governments, and attached both to them and to the (CITIZEN) MILITIA, it may be "affirmed with the greatest assurance", that the throne of "every tyranny in Europe" would be "speedily overturned" in spite of the legions which surround it.

Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in "ACTUAL POSSESSION", than the "debased subjects of arbitrary power" would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.

Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the "long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it"."

APP: This should alarm any US Citizen, as our present condition of Citizens NOT armed with a 25 to 1 superiority over our own standing army; and the fact that our "Citizen Militias" officered by men "chosen among themselves" do NOT exist in any number near this in military capability or armament, is CLEAR EVIDENCE that the "long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it" have "ALREADY OCCURRED".

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Get Educated-Get Armed: The Federal Government CANNOT INTERPOSE.

Get Educated - Get Armed: The Federal Government CANNOT INTERPOSE.

Virginia Ratifying Convention 6-16-1788:

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Mr. JOHN MARSHALL: "....asked if gentlemen were serious when they asserted that, if the state governments had power to interfere with the militia, it was by implication.

If they were, he asked the committee whether the least attention would not show that THEY WERE MISTAKEN.

The state governments "DID NOT" derive their powers from the general government;

but EACH government derived its powers from the people, and EACH was to act according to the powers given it.

Would any gentleman deny this?

He demanded if powers not given were retained by implication. Could any man say so?Could any man say that this power was not retained by the states, as they had not given it away?

For, says he, does not a power remain till it is given away?

The state legislatures had power to command and govern their militia before, and have it "STILL", undeniably, unless there be something in this Constitution that takes it away.

For "Continental" purposes Congress may call forth the militia, as to suppress insurrections and repel invasions.

But the power given to the states by the people is "NOT taken away";

for the Constitution does NOT say so.

In the Confederation Congress had this power;

but the state legislatures had it "also".

The power of legislating given them within the "ten miles square" (Washington, DC) is exclusive of the states, because it is expressed to be exclusive.

The truth is, that when power is given to the general legislature, if it was in the state legislature before, both shall exercise it;

unless there be an incompatibility in the exercise by one to that by the other, or negative words precluding the state governments from it.

But there are "NO" negative words here.

It rests, therefore, with the "STATES".

To me it appears, then, unquestionable that the state governments can call forth the militia, in case the Constitution should be adopted, in the "SAME MANNER" as they could have done "BEFORE" its adoption.

Gentlemen have said that the states cannot defend themselves without an application to Congress, because "Congress" can "INTERPOSE"!

Does not "EVERY MAN" feel are "REFUTATION OF THE ARGUMENT" in his own breast?

I will show{420} that there could "NOT" be a combination, between those who formed the Constitution, to take away this power.

All the restraints intended to be laid on the state governments (besides where an exclusive power is expressly given to Congress) are contained in the 10th section of the 1st article.

This power is "NOT" included in the restrictions in that section. But what excludes every possibility of doubt, is the last part of it that "no state shall engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay."

When invaded, they (The STATE / CITIZENS) "CAN" engage in war, as also when in "imminent danger".

This clearly proves that the states (CITIZENS) can use (ARM) the militia when they find it necessary...."

"....If Congress neglect our militia (citizens), "we can arm them OURSELVES".

CANNOT Virginia "import arms?> >Cannot she (THE "CITIZENS") put them into the hands of "HER" militia-men?

(i.e. the Citizens Can)

He then concluded by observing, that the power of governing the militia was NOT vested in the states by implication, because, being "possessed of it" > "antecedent to the adoption of the government, and "not being divested of it" by any grant or restriction in the Constitution, they must necessarily be as "FULLY possessed of it as ever they had been.> And it could NOT be said that the states derived ANY powers from that (the federal government or Constitution) system, "but RETAINED them," >>>>>>>>"though not acknowledged in ANY part of it". "

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Start Self loading with Steel and Save Your Car Battery Lead

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FEDS BUY TWO BILLION ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/17/Feds-Buy-...

300 million "paper weights" in private citizens possession, once the gov't cuts off ammunition importation. No gun ban or gun confiscation needed. Check Mate!

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Called all three of my Congress Critters

voted up and bumped.

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When people realize whats going on

It will be too late! This is a disaster!! OBAMA you disgust me more then looking into the toilet after a night of drinking!

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Contacted all three of my reps. Thanks for the heads up.

It's a damned shame the state of Missouri is participating in this.

Where's the outrage?

many moons ago

The TV series TV NATION did a piece about the area around the Herculaneum plant. The program was produced by Michael Moore. They supposedly did tests of the surrounding environment and determined that lead in the air and soil was high enough to negatively affect the health of the people living there. Moore and some guy dressed in a chicken suit went to the company headquarters in Saint Louis to protest. I believe they also talked to some Congress critters about the danger the lead posed.

If I recall, the major use of the lead coming out of the plant was batteries.

Since the EPA shut down the plant, perhaps the company remained out of compliance with regulations.

Herculaneum is a small town. I doubt the shutdown of the smelter will help with the local economy - which is mostly based on crank labs.

The lead remains in the ground if needed. It is not going anywhere.

If you need lead, buy fishing sinkers.

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Not true

They supply a major bullet manufacturer in Sedalia, MO

It's not like they weren't willing to meet the new standards, but it's impossibly costly with no way to pay for it.

I would rather have the plant in the USA with standards rather than importing lead with a country with no standards where you probably get your food from.