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New Snowden Bombshell 12/4/13: NSA Tracking Cellphone Locations Worldwide, 5 Billion Records Per Day

Like most of what's being reported, most of us already assumed NSA did this, but that doesn't take away from the significance of the confirmation via the latest WaPo story below.

Big Brother isn't on the horizon; he is here, right now.

This is huge:

The National Security Agency is gathering nearly 5 billion records a day on the whereabouts of cellphones around the world, according to top-secret documents and interviews with U.S. intelligence officials, enabling the agency to track the movements of individuals — and map their relationships — in ways that would have been previously unimaginable.

The records feed a vast database that stores information about the locations of at least hundreds of millions of devices, according to the officials and the documents, which were provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden. New projects created to analyze that data have provided the intelligence community with what amounts to a mass surveillance tool.

Of critical note, the article relays the following:

An intelligence lawyer, speaking with his agency’s permission, said location data are obtained by methods “tuned to be looking outside the United States,” a formulation he repeated three times. When U.S. cellphone data are collected, he said, the data are not covered by the Fourth Amendment, which protects Americans against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Read in full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-tr...

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Proactive mass surveillance sounds like a police state.

It is.

Just another bump in the road from freedom to safety

Most people would freak out if they were exposed to real freedom.

I could see people literally wanting to jump back into their safety prison life.


people do it everyday

in conversation.
It is endlessly fascinating to listen to people clamor for their own chains.


This is what people worried

This is what people worried about when they mandated E911 (GPS) on all cell phones. Of course they assured everyone that this wouldn't happen because it wasn't legal...

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein

Not to dicredit what it is

Not to dicredit what it is you said, as you are right in being weary, but i think this method here, they are using cell phone towers to track you, offcourse thats not to say these twats wont abuse anything, so i doubt, either now or in future, it'll be limited to just cell phone towers

Future "hitler" approves the

Future "hitler" approves the groundwork fellow politicians are laying right now, im sure, maybe, just maybe, future hitler will suceed this time round, hell, maybe they wont even have to try this time, you making it so easy for them to identify or isolate technology from folks who dont agree with them

Willfull or unwillful intent to to survey or isolate technology from the free individual

"Future Hitler" is quite an interesting concept

Would you characterize the NWO/banking empire as the Future Hitler Gomez?

I could just picture Mel Brooks saying 'Der Feuhrer from de Future' lol

"One senior collection

"One senior collection manager, speaking on the condition of anonymity but with permission from the NSA, said “we are getting vast volumes” of location data from around the world by tapping into the cables that connect mobile networks globally and that serve U.S. cellphones as well as foreign ones. Additionally, data are often collected from the tens of millions of Americans who travel abroad with their cellphones every year."

its not about nsa GIVING the information, its about being pissed off with the information being given, what the hell gave them the right to install ANYTHING on globally used communication lines....for surveilance purposes no less ffs.........terrorist bogeymen on every corner BE DAMNED, that is not a god damn right to infringe NATURAL rights, unless you think you have more rights then others, a god damn superiority complex is what that is............

No americans, so just the

No americans, so just the other 95% of the worlds population, oh good, and here i was getting worried

Wait, im not american, mmmmmm, does that mean i cant comment, mmmmm do i have permission to object "mr" president /s

i hold the position acountable, seing as it is the role of the person in that position that SHOULD be talking AGAINST such actions, and i think, that to be the role, VERY strongly........that, NOT, doing that very thing makes me see the position a farce, im not asking for action, im asking to be educated in what FEELS right, not what FEELS wrong but is described as right.......you show people no respect by thinking them completly stupid........we FEEL the wrong, its only a matter of time before folks start finding out WHY, the wrong.......your actions, words, stances and re-actions betray you.........its NOT what i expect from the "person" you are claiming to be

Au contraire, mon frere: the

Au contraire, mon frere: the data of American citizens is being swept up, too. Might want to read the article again, more closely...

Good additional context here, as well: http://justsecurity.org/2013/12/04/latest-snowden-documents-...

oh yeah, i always assume

oh yeah, i always assume that, but if they want to play that game, why not, imagine the shitstorm when its contradicted, the more they say it, the more they dig that hole they'll eventually fall into to, and i cant say im not god damned looking forward to it....the freaking lying bastards

You cant get around truth by keeping lies a secret, nor replacing truth with lies

Just heard this reported on

Just heard this reported on the evening news.

5 billion cellphone records collected every single day?

There's only 6 billion people on the f'ng planet!

Why is EVERYONE a target? Why are we ALL being monitored more than animals in a zoo? What's the point of it all?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

It's Sauron's eye.

And the tech is the ring. Sauron got the ring. What did you expect him not to use it?

Funny you mention that:

In short, it's a twisted

In short, it's a twisted NatSec circlejerk groupthink manifestation of the will to power.

Desinsitization. I'd bet the NSA is happy this is out, maybe

even prodded Snowden to make the leak, or certainly didn't want to stop him.

Do not forget that the "elites" always planned to "one day" tell us of their plans out in the open, their plans for what they were going to do to us and how, and that they would reveal these plans plain as day, and that such a day would come when in their estimation, it was impossible, and too late, to stop them.

I'd posit that what is more likely than they are being exposed, is that they are the ones "telling us of their plans for us" out in the open now.

They know that by feeding one abuse after another to the public each and every day will desensitize the American people into accepting previous egregious activity as "not as bad" as the latest revelation. Eventually, if not soon, this desensitization will be complete and Americans will not only NOT balk at what they learn anew, but always subconsciously knew, but will either not care, or even applaud and support such atrocities.

They KNOW from experience in the past AND the present that NOTHING of significance will be done to stop them. NOTHING is being done now. If not now, WHEN?

They will not be arrested and tried for espionage and treason, much less murder.

They will not be charged with insurrection.

They will not even be FIRED.

No authority in America, at the State or Federal level will lift a finger to bring them to justice.

At worst, and with their consultation and approval of course, laws will be adopted ENSHRINING their plans for us and their methods.

BOTH parties will pass these laws and increase them in the future. Just as they already have done and are doing NOW.

Americans WILL not take to the streets.

They will not begin assassinating corrupt leaders who cannot and will not be otherwise brought to justice.

There will be no public lynchings.

There will be no traitors dangling from lampposts on Constitution Avenue.

There will be no tarring and feathering of tax collectors. (thieves)

Americans ARE presently rolling over and NOT doing what is NECESSARY to preserve liberty.

There is ZERO reason to believe in any MYTH that there is some magical line that Americans will not allow the crossing of.

Horse manure.

There is no line.

And if one should appear or be declared in some mass public fashion, the elites will simply side-step it or redefine it for us as they trample right across it, bit by bit, over and over.

You can hang it up folks and prepare for life in Orwellian Hell, because you are LIVING IT NOW.


It is not something that will "maybe one day be here."

The fight is already lost.

No one did anything effective or of substance to stop it. Including myself.

The only thing left to us is as individuals.

As they come for each one of us, for whatever reason, no matter how banal and contrived, the only thing left for us to do is go down fighting, taking out as many of them with us on the way. We've waited too long to attempt any other remedy.

They cannot and will not be stopped.

Because Americans have proven themselves unwilling and incapable of doing the right thing while the right thing was still peaceful.

Bloodshed is now inevitable.

And sadly, it will only be for our own individual brief satisfaction and principles, because no one else gives a shit if any one of us gets gunned down in some fabricated raid or encounter. We'll be thought of as just another whack job since that is how we will be portrayed.

But it's that or the chains. If we are even given that option.

There is entirely too much wishful thinking in this world.

So much that I'd contend anyone engaging in it maybe really is crazy, with a complete inability to admit the reality staring them in the FACE.

This IS checkmate, but not for the elites...


That is surely what any "elite" would want you to believe.


Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

Eagle Eye bump.

Eagle Eye bump.

thankyou for posting this

thankyou for posting this lapdog......one for the bookmarks i think

NP.LapHog, though.


LapHog, though.


sorry man, i had the word

sorry man, i had the word dog on my mind from a previous post, damn that was embarasingly funny ;}