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He Got Life Without Parole for Mailing LSD

When Deadhead Timothy Tyler sent five grams of LSD to a friend, little did he know he was setting himself up to die behind bars.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/11/26/mandatory-minimum...

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Mandatory Minimums and Jury Nullification

Clearly, if a jury wants to bring about justice, they would have to consider the penalty being imposed. However, my boss, who is a lawyer, was on a jury where the judge concealed from the jury that there was a mandatory minimum. My boss feels that she participated in an injustice when she found out--sending a young husband and father to jail forever for a non-violent crime.

If you serve on a jury, listen to the charges. California enacted 3-strikes, so when I heard, "Attempted murder," and "being a felon in possession of a handgun" as charges, I heard "3-strikes" even though those words were never used. 3-strikes is both ex post facto, and double-jeopardy, and as such, unconstitutional. And, the penalty for manslaughter and even murder is less.

It's crazy to send stupid young men to jail for life, just because politicians campaigned on it. A judge and jury should be able to weigh the danger to society, the rehabilitiation of the perpetrator, and the circumstances to come up with something appropriate. A jury has no obligation to carry out some politician's campaign platform and neither should the judge when it violates the Constitution.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

"13,000 doses of LSD"

I just counted and I took 26 sips of my 12 fluid ounce beer before I finished it. Each sip is a dose of a drug. If we are measuring by dose it would take about 520 beers to reach 13000 doses.

Each cigarette is about 15-20 puffs (or doses) per cigarette. This would be 650 to 866 cigarettes for 13000 doses, or 32 to 43 packs, or 3.2 to 4.3 cartons of cigarettes.

Well let me make this clear..

This post isn't about libertarians, ending drug wars or free markets, it's about giving Tim Tyler a free pass because of who he is, and the unjust sentence he got. Well let me say this, there's a lot of Tim Tylers in this world.

Should you feel supporting and justifing the proliferation and use of freely available, hard drugs helps the advancement of the cause of liberty and constitutional gov'ment, so be it. Should that be one of the main objectives in the (L)ibertarian rulebook, then don't include me.

I've delt with the result of your freely available hard drugs.. and the crime, abuse, death, degredation and suffering they have caused. I've witnessed the promise of dreams that have turned into nightmares, and I'm sick to death of it. You can keep your idea of 'free-market' drugs.

I have nothing after my name that ends in 'ist' and I don't support any kind of 'ism' including the rules that are attached to that terminology.
There are a multitude of critical issues facing this country and the world in general, and they need answers right now, before it's too late to correct them.
I stand for liberty, justice, equality and prosperty. Most of all constitutionality and I don't see the availability of hard drugs anywhere in there, only the criminality on both sides of that issue.

Now get busy with the yo-yo votes if you feel the need.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Let me get this straight,

LSD is more dangerous than a life in prison?

What an uninformed comment.

LSD is non-addictive and non-toxic. LSD is the most common hallucinogen and is one of the most potent mood-changing chemicals. It is manufactured from lysergic acid, which is found in ergot, a fungus that grows on rye and other grains.

It's biggest threat was associated with "free thinking". President Richard Nixon once described Leary as "the most dangerous man in America". BTW Leary inspired generations of free thinkers that have shaped our society, including some of our most respected authors, poets and musicians.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

I'm not talking about LSD.

I'm not talking about LSD.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

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The post was about lsd

the comment directly under mine,which was addressed to you
has been there about an hour.You have not corrected that comment yet
So yes,most think your comment above was about LSD.I know that was my thought
and still is.
If your comment was not about the topic at hand,then why did you comment about another subject?
D

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Class 1 drugs

That happen to include LSD and carry the same penality.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Let's get this straight

So you don't have to read what I said, ok.

My first comment (if it's still visible) said it was stupidity.
Why..having three hits for selling LSD and sending it USPS.

From that point on the flack it got was on drugs.
My comments were all in relation to Class 1 drugs as defined by the criminal code. ie 'hard drugs' which I clearly stated.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

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So you classify

marijuana users also in your rebuttal?
No one has died from that plant,but cocaine is in another class?

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Should you read the thread

You will find I excluded marijuana from my comments even though it's still listed as a Class 1 drug.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

Who decided LSD is a "heavy drug"?

Perhaps you should do some homework and look at the amazing number of highly intelligent and functional productive people who have been proponents and users of LSD before you pass judgement or make idiotic assumptions. Ignorance is a precursor to fear which is a precursor to misplaced judgement.

beephree

The criminal code

talk to the judge.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

You mean the judge who never tried any of these substances

such as marijuana, mushrooms, LSD yet determines the fate of millions of human beings who have never harmed another soul? F that judge and all of the same ilk. The criminal code has been completely corrupted by the insane unjust system that now determines all of our legality.

beephree

Rob Ford!

Is that you!!?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Partly agree, but

I think there should be another way than sentensing a person for life for a non violent crime.

I do agree that dealing heavy drugs to "friends" should be met with a harsh punishment, but not lifetime in jail.

The whole idea behind prisons is that they should be a punishment where they learn and see the error in their way, if it doesn't work that way then it needs to be fixed.

It only works for the state.

Handing out life sentences for non violent crimes is a travesty, end of story, and I'm not suggesting otherwise, but in this case predictable.
Using the feds own service to transport banned substances would most probably be interpreted by the PTB as no different than other well publicised dangerous and deadly substances, if you know what I mean.

The prison system as it exists, and rehabilitation are contradictions in terms. The prison system has done nothing but educate and breed repeat offenders. Statistics prove that case, and inmates will confirm it. The concept of 'policing for profit' tied to a privatised 'for profit' incarceration system can only lead in one direction.
You can see this confirmed in the recent legal action by prison administrations for lack of inmate numbers.
The whole system has become a sausage grinder with little or no consideration for the frequency or magnitude of offence, or the threat to society, consequently it turns into a revolving door for most who allow themselves to become entangled in it.
The whole system needs to be revamped and brought in line with proven models in other countries that work, for both offender and society.

Will that happen any time soon..not a chance.
So you have to live with it, as long as those who control it remain in control or public opinion rises against it in order to force that change.
Stay out of it, it will destroy your life.

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

The U.S. Gov. MK Ultra tried to buy10 kilos of LSD in 1953

but they were told by Sandoz Laboratory, that up to that time only 40 grams had ever been produced. Bear in mind that a single gram produces 10,000 doses. See the 13 min. mark in this video.

Elly Lilly synthesized LSD in 1954, giving the CIA a limitless and inexpensive source for their experiments on involuntary victims of their demented abuse.

Apparently, only non-governmental, voluntary, use and distribution of LSD is prosecutable. Massive abuse and death in the wake of CIA experiments on involuntary victims is sanctioned and rewarded as "legitimate" science and a proper use of military industrial complex resources.

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Granger, a lot of contemporaries and peers were players here

Check out how many key people were high-ranking military brats like yourself! (at 38 mins. into the video)

I'm just finishing this two hour lecture tying together history and covert ops in a fascinating and believable record that we lived through, some more than others!

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

I know

When Jim Morrison and the Doors were making it big, I took an interest my Dad told me. He told me first that he knew Admiral Morrison, who was the historian for the Navy and who my Dad sent reports from Zumwalt.. I think military kids being CIA is a natural because military brats grow up traveling and wind up making gloabl connections.. entertainment industry is global.. in Morrison's case, his Dad is an imporant man (My father said Admiral Morrison is far more important than Jim, his son, who will be a flash in th3e pan, but his Dad's work will last for an eternity), so the USA wouldn't want to risk Jim being abducted or what have you.. so being CIA gave him some overseas protection, and if he Jim saw something, he knew to report it, and probably didn't and why he became a flash in the pan.

Just because I understand doesn't mean I agree. I'm not going to be the judge.

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My question is in what form

My question is in what form did he send it? It's odorless, tasteless, colorless....If it were liquid and in a container then he was dumb...he should have just made some blotter acid on sheets of paper and sent it in an envelope. Just a suggestion.

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"We are not a nation, but a union, a confederacy of equal and sovereign States" John C. Calhoun

My take on drugs and you can

My take on drugs and you can down vote me if you want. Most of them are dangerous and shouldn't be legal. LSD can make you lose your mind. I've seen it. Bath salts turn you into a lunatic. You can harm people while doing these. Literally chew someone's face off. I'm glad they're illegal. I don't care about pot though. I don't smoke it but could care less who does.

I respect your opinion but I

I respect your opinion but I do not think it is wise or appropriate to elect a politician to restrict everybody's freedom because you don't like what they do. As long as nobody hurts anybody, i think a person should be able to do whatever they want even if I don't like it. Wasn't that Dr. Paul's position as well?

In a perfect world with

In a perfect world with logical people that theory would work. Unfortunately we actually need some laws because people really are that stupid.

FYI...I think Dr. Paul's position says to leave it up to the state.

As slightly stupid myself I resent that :)

Some people really are that stupid- I think in large part because of public schooling. So the same institution that gave us public schools probably can't save us with more laws. "If only we had more laws, then the world would be better." I don't think this is so.

Yes the world is imperfect and many people are illogical, but the "state" is not going to change that. More scary is that there some people who are even psychopathic, and somehow they seem to wind up in these positions of power.

Yes Paul's political position was to leave it up to the states. I suppose I might differ from him in that I don't think anybody, including any group that says they are "the state," has any moral or practical authority to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do with their bodies, etc, and if anyone does have that power that it is a bad thing. Just a difference in opinion and the Dailypaul is the place to find 'em!

Was there ever a society

Was there ever a society where anarchy worked?

Was there ever a society where anything worked?

Just my opinion. Societies dont seem to work well, I think tribalism is a better social structure. I'm not talking about primitive living, I'm talking about the way humans organize themselves. I dont think civilization itself can exist without a ruling class. I think tribalism works better at making people happy. Anarchy today would mean technological tribalism would exist and that would be interesting, but we'll probably just get a police state instead. We can all look forward to that. These ideas are thoroughly explained in the book Ishmael by Daniel Quinn which I enjoyed.

You can't use the USPS to

You can't use the USPS to ship drugs. What a dumbie.

"LSD sometimes causes

"LSD sometimes causes psychotic reactions in people who have not even taken it." - attributed to Tim Leary

Well that is actually correct.

Its presence has caused a psychotic reaction in government workers making them lock someone up.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.