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All this pissing-about

over something as unproveable or undeniable as "God" or "religion"...it is all such a terrible waste of time. Watch this and think about who and where you are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g

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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

I read the bible, and I do have questions.

I believe the bible is past present and future at all times. I'm also coming to an understanding that words may have been added or changed to mislead. In the past, I believe Jesus was a man that was giving us instructions of how to recognize and handle future events. I see his nature playing out now with awakening and, so far, a peaceful revolution where each of us that are learning the truth have an obligation to speak the truth to each individual we meet. Even if they don't want to hear it.

I think Jesus is speaking of current events in the following verses:

Matthew 21:12-13 NKJV
[12] Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. [13] And He said to them, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you have made it a 'den of thieves.'"
Revelation 18:9-11 NKJV
[9] "The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, [10] standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, 'Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.' [11] "And the merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her, for no one buys their merchandise anymore:

According to Jesus, the last temple has already been built (the hearts of men).

Questions I have from these verses are:

Who are the "those who bought and sold"? (Wall Street?)
Who are "the merchants"? (Corporations?)
Are they the same?

What are they buying and selling? (Birth Certificate Bonds?)

What and/or where is the great city Babylon? (Wherever central banking and major corporations are ultimately controlled from?) (Washington DC? London? Israel(the state created in 1948, not the land)? The Vatican?)

A lot of our current problems seem to tie back to the early to mid 40s with many of the supposed actors still alive today.

Who are the Money Changers? (Bankers?) ???
What are the tables of the money changers? (Banks?) ???

What are "the seats of those who sold doves"? (Pulpits?) ??? (501-C3s?)
Who are "those who sold doves"? (Preachers?)???

I don't know the answers! These are just thoughts!

I'm certainly not a "bible thumper" and I do believe things have been purposely placed in it to mislead. But I also the truth is amongst the words in the bible. There are times when I put it down because the contradictions lead to doubt. Only to later notice current events that vet out the truth in the contradiction. At the least, the bible is history, some accurate and some maybe not. But with relatively recent revelations about the purposeful skewing of history over the last couple hundred years, it's nice to have the perspective the bible gives in discerning the truth.

With all the lies that have surfaced, it's hard for me to believe that these evil people would not have added lies to the bible. But I still think the truth is in there too!

Something to consider

http://www.35thavenuebaptist.org/where-is-the-word-of-god.html

You ask good questions and posit good analagous answers.

Regarding the moneychangers in the temple. This is an example of how religions become corrupt. Sacrifices were ordained by God in the Old Testament to give the people a way to show their faith in the promised sacrifice of the Messiah. IF people had faith in God's promise of eternal life to all who believe in His promise to send a Messiah/Saviour, they were to show it by offering sacrifices that represented the sacrifice of the coming Christ.

But greedy men working in and/or around the temple introduced the idea of offering "quality" animals for "more absolution or forgiveness", hence the offering for sale of animals for sale in the temple. Along with this was the idea of "convenience". "Don't offer your favorite sheep or pet lamb, buy one of our sheep, without the emotional attachment for peace of mind."

Thus, gradually the symbol became the subject and the subject was soon lost.

This led to people believing in what they do for forgiveness instead of what Jesus Christ would do.

Regarding the "merchants" in Revelation 18, your ideas are as good as any I've heard.

One thing we have to careful about is that prophecies are vague to begin with because there is no way to describe things in the future clearly with terms from the past or present. Change is so fast-paced now, that I would never venture to state emphatically anything related to prophecy except what the Bible actually says. In time we will be able to see that that was the best way it could have been worded at that time.

So, just read and keep things in the back of your mind and the Holy Spirit will be able to bring to your remembrance the things that you have read when your ability to understand is ripe.

Oh, and one bit of advice - stay away from copyrighted versions of the Bible. If it's copyrighted by man, can its claim to be the Word of God be valid? Just a thought I had to wrestle with.

"Prove all things..." I Thessalonians 5:21

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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There is wisdom here. Great post, TxRanger.

This is what you just said, but put in another way. Is there still an original Word of God buried within the current redacted version of the Bible? I believe that there could be and that there are important messages and lessons that have direct applicability to our lives today. There is no requirement to either completely accept it all or completely reject it all. This all or none acceptance or rejection is a misnomer. The parts of the Bible that have more meaning for you should be cherished and derived comfort from as well as vice versa. Some of it may be prognostication as you say or have analogies to people, places and events today. Wisdom certainly comes from that Bible, but wisdom also comes from other messengers not necessarily all biblical, IMO. What do I mean by that? We should also be indebted to the authors of nonreligious works who correctly gave us insights into the mind of man or who foretold the future. They are no less significant and are just as important as any book of the Bible. Atlas Shrugged, 1984, Faust, The Age of Reason, and The Communist Manifesto to name a few of these books that are as profound as any religious work. Your part about being a 'Bible thumper' concerns people who believe it all and have to defend it all 100%. Using at least the parts that you find important in your life is better than blowing-off the entire work after finding an inconsistency. There may be a Word of God in there somewhere is a good approach to take.

"Instruction manual written some

3 to 4 thousand years ago and then translated 20 or more times before you read it" He's speaking of the Bible so I'm curious what 20 intermediate translations he's positing.

Jordan Maxwell: The Naked

Jordan Maxwell: The Naked Truth Debunked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxEaxu-dA3g

Maxwell is a joke, but a good litmus test to tell how intelligent a person is is if they fall for his work.

You don't even have to get in to how he's just selling warmed over Blavatsky New World Order theology, about the 'coming age' after the backward thinking Christians, and their 'fisher king' are gone.

Just look at how he treats language and be amazed that anyone falls for it.

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Do you see the problem with all of this? It doesn't matter.

If derivations of words are being argued about, it doesn't matter who is correct. It is irrelevant. The fact that it is being argued about means that all of it should be thrown-out. The fact that it is being argued about means that all of this cannot be from God.

Would God speak in written words that change with time? He originated language to confound the builders of the tower of Babel. He would not use the same confounding languages to communicate with us. He would know that the meanings of words could be mistranslated and meanings would change with time. It's not logical for Him to have done this.

Chinese whispers.

An ancient text taken from ancient Hebrew, and translated into ancient Latin by the first Globalists is bound to have "lost in translation" phrases that benefited those in power at the time.
When I was in Hong Kong I photographed a sign that read "private area, please do not stay". In the US and most western countries it would have read "No parking".
I have said it before, and I will say it again, the devils best playground is the Bible. Just look at the Schofield Bible and the triumph it has been for political Zionism.

The Devil's best playground...

...is the truth, because He is a liar. Liars have to hang around truth or they have nothing to lie about.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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You capitalized "he" and the "devil" in the same sentence.

Did you really mean to do that? I believe in not giving any deference to any devils or other evil doers. I'm after the truth just like you are.

Oops!

My bad. Thanks, MT!

Devil is sometimes capitalized in the Bible (Revelation 12:9; 20:2), so I don't have an issue with that, as it is a proper noun, but I surely did not mean to capitalize the personal pronoun.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

I've watched a lot of Jordan Maxwell

When you only watch a little, he is very impressive with his display of word associations.

But after watching him over and over in many different videos, he starts to sound like a broken record. I wondered why, because I agreed with a lot of what he said.

But then, it dawned on me what his problem is.

He forgot what a dictionary really is. A dictionary reflects the definitions of words at the time of the publication. All of us who are 40 or over have lived long enough to see definitions change. SO the key is to define words ourselves instead of being herded into the definitions that the courts, the police, the de facto government wants us to use.

The same goes for identification. I have created my own identification card (picture ID). The State does not know who I am. I do. So I do not carry any government-issued ID anymore.

I can't fly on an airplane because of it, but, hey, I won't yield to the TSA's groping or scanning anyway, so that's no loss.

What are you willing to sacrifice for liberty?

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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The words being discussed here are 2,000 years old.

If meanings have changed in just 40 years like you correctly say, imagine 2,000 years. That is the problem with all of this. Who really knows for sure? If they do, that awareness is solely for themselves. Would the Almighty communicate is such an imprecise way that some know for sure and others do not?

One thing I have noticed

One thing I have noticed is that the Bible is its own best interpreter. Bible words are defined by their use in most cases. In other cases, a good book on etymology is all you need. We definitely do not need to rely on "scholars" to understand the Bible any more than we need to rely on lawyers to understand the Constitution!

I believe the Almighty knows what He is doing and He knew what He was doing when He moved in the hearts of the men who translated the Bible into English prior to the colonization of and subsequent founding of America.

Therefore, I believe it is easy to know for sure a lot of things in the Bible. Granted we will never know all of it, as it is an eternal Book. It says that we will never be able to understand it all. His wisdom is unsearchable - meaning incapable of being completely searched out and known.

I like what someone said once, "It is not the parts of the Bible I don't understand so much as it is the parts that I do understand!" :)

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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Appreciate hearing your take on that.

Some of the parts of the Bible that I do clearly understand are diametrically opposed to the premise that "God is good." It makes no sense to me to believe in an Almighty who is not good, not 50% good, not 80% good, or even not 99% good. He must be 100% good. He is perfect, correct? We are talking absolutes here, about the God of a 14B light-year across universe. Those parts of the Bible that ascribe goodness to God I have no problem with. Those parts that do the opposite, I do not and refuse to believe. For me, believing in an evil god is like worshiping the devil. I refuse to do that. I do not believe that God ordered the killing of anyone, especially through intermediaries. That's just me.

Perhaps I can shed some light on that issue.

Do you believe a judge or jury should never pass sentence on someone who is convicted of having committed a great evil?

I believe emphatically that God never gave an order for anyone to kill any other person or people without just cause. The Bible is clear that God charged Israel to destroy othe nations. What is less clear (unless we study the history and context) is that those nations were very wicked and had committed grave evils, such as burning babies alive, for one example. And I would also state that God always sends warnings to nations to repent first. A good example is Nineveh, a heathen city. Yet Nineveh repented and God spared them.

So we need to be careful we do not sit in judgment of God just because we do not understand the whole situation. We are on earth, He is in heaven; so His view and knowledge trumps ours. He is just, that's for sure, else the universe would fall apart. Evil always ends in destruction. Injustice always implodes on the unjust. I don't think God is in any danger of implosion or being destroyed.

Another example is Sodom. Lot, a just man lived in Sodom and vexed his righteous soul daily with the sins of Sodom (2 Peter 2:6-8). He pleaded with the sodomites to not molest his guests, the two "men" who came to warn him to get out. No doubt Lot had been a voice in the wilderness" that went unheeded. Abraham's negotiations with God to spare Sodom cannot be disregarded. God is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9) and He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 33:11).

Unfortunately, we through the errors of phony religionists, busyness on our part or plain laziness sometimes get wrong ideas because we do not read the Bible enough. Many times I have had to correct my thinking after reading more. With my thick head, I'm afraid I have been way too slow to learn what I have learned. Better late than never, I say. :)

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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I don't judge the Almighty as to 'why' He said kill.

We all deserve it no doubt. I question 'how' He did this, through an intermediary saying that God told him to tell others to kill everybody without mercy. If anyone received such an order like that, they would immediately know that order could not have come from God. If someone told people to go kill without mercy and that this order came directly from God, all of those people would know that that order could not have come from God. Sorry that I keep repeating myself. If God wants to kill some people, that is fine. He made us, and He can do us in anytime. If only it was that simple. Others did this killing saying that God told them to do it, but only through this special tuned-into-God intermediary. This person heard the voice of the Almighty, and that voice said kill without mercy. Blasphemy and rubbish, IMO.

He didn't do this killing Himself. That is the problem. Thus, we are left with the realization that people killed in the name of God, just like the Muslims are now killing in the name of God. The people who gave those orders to kill were either madmen or the most despicable people to ever set foot on this earth. They did this killing themselves and used the name of God as a pretext to justify this slaughter. It's an abomination to believe that God would kill anyone without just cause by telling a third people to tell others to go kill. It is also an abomination for the others to have done this killing by simply believing these hearsay orders to kill as if they had come directly from God.

Yea, you do repeat yourself a lot, but...

but don't add words that are not what I am saying, such as, "without just cause". I made it very clear, and you agreed that God can do whatever He wants to do. Whatever He does is right and just.

Perhaps this illustration will help.

Giving orders to someone else to kill, if it is right, is not wrong. It is done all the time. Executioners carry out sentences of death. That does not make the judge or the jurors cowards or wrong.

With that said, I am not a fan of the death penalty in the judicial system we have now. The system is too corrupt for it to be applied justly.

But in principle I am for it. God is for it, which is why He gave it in the Old Testament, but due to the corruption of "Judaeism", in the New Testament, Jesus let a woman convicted of adultery go free. Why? because the accusers were corrupt themselves.

It is this principle that shows up in our Constitution allowing the President to issue pardons. It is not intended to be used to let your buddies off the hook, it is to make right unjust convictions.

John Adams declared point blank that, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/115/Message_from_J...

"Religious" did not mean then what it has come to mean today. It comes from the root word "legere" which means to choose, pick. When we choose something, it is because we delight in it. If we delight in it, we choose it again and again. The prefix "re-" means again. So religious in the old days meant that which you choose to do over and over because it is right and good. That is what people did when they perceived that something was right and good to do, they did is "religiously".

So John Adams was saying that our Constitution was made only for a people who choose to do over and over things that they believe are right and good, it is wholly inadequate for people who choose to do what they FEEL like doing. Which is why it won't work for many Libertarians and anarchists of today, because they mostly care about themselves, not what is right and good. It's reflected in their manners and their speech.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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Repeated commands of genocide from the Almighty?

That is a huge contradiction, and no one can put a happy face on this. A merciful God over here and an unmerciful god over there. Is God bi-polar? You say yes, and I say no. God is consistent. God is logical, and most of all, God is good. Killing a bunch babies and pregnant women is not good, period! It doesn't matter whether God says do it or not. It is pure evil. This is similar to Hitler killing 20 million people. God doesn't change. Murder is murder whether Hitler or God gives the orders. God would have done this butchery Himself without subjecting His most chosen people to perform such horrendous acts. If they refused, were they damned to hell for refusing to kill a baby? Please say no. They all willingly participated in this bloodshed without questioning anyone, like you are completely accepting this also. I question whether God did this at all. People did this, not God. They used the name of God to justify this killing. I believe in a good God, not an evil one.

It seems you are blinded by passion

on this subject. You can't see the tree for the forest.

Look at what the Bible really says on this issue.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

It clearly says, "Thus saith the LORD".

God raises up nations and He puts them down. But He doesn't do it randomly or for the fun of it. He is the Judge of all the earth. He does so to exact judgment. His judgments are never wrong. So since He said it was because Amalek laid wait for Israel and ambushed them on their way to the Promised Land after leaving Egypt, then God has the right to destroy a nation that would do that to another nation without any provocation. I mean, what else would they do? These people were utterly evil; there was no changing them.

Furthermore, because Saul did not obey God completely in this matter, he was removed from being king as well as his progeny.

So, in light of this, it appears you have a problem with believing the Word of God.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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Am I blinded by passion or do I see the truth clearly?

Are you blinded in your 100% acceptance of the Bible? The difference between us is that I reject the parts of the Bible that are unjustifiable, inconsistent, or ascribe evil to the Almighty. No amount of faith on my part will ever attribute evil to God. I will never try to justify God killing defenseless innocents. Whenever I ask a Christian Do you believe that God killed babies, I can never get a straight answer. The answer is clearly yes, God killed babies. What is the big deal? They always hedge about this answer. Why? The most defenseless being on the planet slaughtered by the most merciful being in the universe IS the quintessential contradiction, which is why I am so passionate about this issue. You want to forget about it and pretend that it doesn't exist. You are blinded by your denial of such a thing repeatedly occurring. No, no big deal at all. Where is the forest here? Where are the trees? I see a baby hatched to pieces by some madman, who got their orders from another madman, who claims God told him to do so? Well, golly! That sounds just wonderful.

I believe that God is good, 100% good.
I believe that God is consistent, 100% consistent.
I believe that God is logical, 100% logical.
Do we agree so far?

Killing babies, pregnant women, and children, whether in time of war or not is wrong, 100% wrong.
Whether the order comes from the government or God is irrelevant. If this order comes from someone who received the order from a third party makes it even more irrelevant.

Conclusion: Any passages in the Bible that states God told someone to go and tell others to kill without mercy is an abomination to God. In my mind, that will be the first question God is going to ask us when that time comes.
God: Do you believe that I would ever tell someone to tell someone else to go kill baby-after-baby without mercy? I will say as fast as I can "NO." You will say "yes, you killed babies because it says it in the Bible." We'll see what happens after that.

Let's see how consistent you are.

You said, "I believe that God is good, 100% good."

I agree.

But do YOU really believe that? Was it good when God killed Ananias and Sapphira in Acts chapter 5?
I think it was good. They lied and were deceiving many. Great fear came upon the church in Jerusalem because God killed two people for lying. Great deterrent! Do you really want to live in a world of sinners and wickedness where God is limited to act according to your definition of good?

I will leave the definition of good up to God.

BTW, you need to understand something else about God:

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

If you do not understand that, you have a lot of maturing to do. And you cannot mature if you disbelieve God. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Proverbs 9:10

No matter how right you are in some areas, your Achilles heel will always be your lack of faith in the Word of God. Your assumption of the seat of judgment to decide which parts of the Word of God are true and which parts are not.

You also erred in saying,
"I will never try to justify God killing defenseless innocents."

You make a wrong assumption here. There are no defenseless innocents. Man is born with a corrupted nature.

"The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies." Psalm 58:3

"Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." Psalm 51:5

And besides, if babies cannot willfully sin because of inability to uderstand right and wrong, then God is actually saving them from judgment, whereas if they had lived, they might have made decisions that would have cost them eternal life. So God really does know what He is doing. Do you?

"Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter any thing before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth: therefore let thy words be few." Ecclesiastes 5:2

But hey, I don't want to argue this endlessly with you. You are certainly entitled as a sovereign man to believe what your conscience dictates. I also reserve that right. I will take responsibility for myself and when I do stand before God I will have confidence in only one thing - that I believed His every word.

Even Jesus did not judge people when He was here in the flesh, so I certainly will not judge you. I only offer you things to consider.

Here's a warning from Jesus, Himself to all of us:
John 12:47-48 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

If I'm going to be judged by His Word, it's a no brainer for me to believe it!

I believe God is consistent.
I believe God is logical.

There, we agree on something! :)

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

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Thanks for the post. This is beautiful stuff.

Here is related link to William Cooper's 42-part Mystery Babylon Series (audio).
http://theilluminatiagenda.blogspot.com/p/williamcooper.html
Part 23 features Jordon Maxwell.

Use your logic and common sense.

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"SeanMauer
1 week ago

I think the Zodiac connections in the bible are intentional, Genesis 1:14-19. As for the little talk at the end, I think it was God's intention to reveal His personal identity through the prophets. Although He's presented a rather difficult character to understand.
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SeanMauer
1 week ago

To compare Jesus with Krishna or Buddha is not very relevant, since their teachings were vastly different from the teachings of Jesus.
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SeanMauer
1 week ago

The pre-shadowing of Judaism and Christianity in Egyptian religion does not mean they were spawned by Egyptian religion, it could just as easily be interpreted as Satan's co-option of Yahweh's original plan. The universe is a creation of intellect, not an accident, this intellect could have a plan, a plan that was counterfeited by Satan through Horas, but the real plan was executed by Jesus."

Great comments...

... but could you please stick to one language.

I don't have many peeves, but this one of them. Religious people quoting scripture and inserting a Greek or Hebrew word instead of the English.

It reeks of insecurity to have to use a foreign language to impress. It doesn't impress me. It makes me think of a man I used to know who always strutted about using big words and foreign words to impress people.

OK... done with peeve.

Other than that...

Great comments!

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

THIS SITE

I love the selective truthing that occurs on this site.

Lets expose all of the political shenanigans of the U.S. government, but religion is not to be touched. All of you brainwashed bible thumpers are just full of hypocrisy.

Amen lol

Amen lol

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All?

I thought that this was a liberty forum where we don't use broad brushes to paint anybody into collective groups, but let each be the individual they are.

Sounds like somebody touched a nerve and got you all in a tizzy.

Chill out. Tolerate liberty of conscience.

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
"Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 2 Corinthians 3:17

surely religion is a tool.

But is not the main reason why it is the problem.
The problem is turning to GOD. The real GOD. Even the constitution acknowledges GOD.
The other problem is lack of knowledge.