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Why Mourn Racialist, Commie Nelson Mandela?

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Flags flew at half staff around the world. Current and former top gangsters flew in from all points to pay their respects. The mainstream state-dependent media tells us that a good man has died. So you just know that despite his lovely smile, Nelson Mandela must have been something of a monster.
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Back in his prime Mandela was a violent communist resisting a rascist, fasco-socialist colonial state. It gets tricky hoping for both sides to lose. So most people around the world played it safe and backed the black guy instead of the racist apartheid government that put him behind bars for nearly three decades. Then, much as they did after World War II, they pretended that the racist fascist national socialist was pure evil while the murderous communist was the selfless, world-improving good guy. We here at TDV still think that in a match between Hitler and Stalin, you should hope they both knock each other into bloody comas.

I don't say these things lightly. My father's side of the family is a bunch of black Carib redistributionista socialists/communists in the Mandela mold. They are mourning his death and I don't dare put a word of derision about the man on my Facebook page.
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SteveMT's picture

You got it backwards. We are the invaders in Iraq/Afghanistan.

We are the aggressors. Al Qaeda is equivalent to Nelson Mandela in this case. Anything goes when fighting invaders from another land. We get what we deserve. They will do whatever is required to get us out of their country, like the Viet Cong was willing to do to get out of Vietnam. We should have learned by now that neither our tactics nor our overall strategy have not and will not work.

"If you thought such a tactic would be effective in earning your freedom, would you not do it?"

If you mean killing babies and women, the answer is 100% NO. I have a soul and an Almighty who has entrusted me to do the right thing. Mandela obviously did not have either.

I don't see how it is

I don't see how it is backwards. In Mandela's eyes, the apartheid government was the invaders.

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In S.A. the Dutch & British were the invaders...

... and they never left.

In SA the whites were greatly outnumbered. They used force to subdue, co-opt and utilize the labor.

The Afrikaners who lost the Boer war to the English South Africans took over government to dominate policy (over their English countrymen) and to subdue the African tribes. The Afrikaners built the national police/paramilitary, the military, pushed laws through and loaded the courts. They built a brutal cronyist police state in perpetual internal conflict.

Every Prime Minister and State President in South Africa from 1948 to the end of Apartheid in 1994 was a member of the Afrikaner Broederbond... English-speaking bureaucrats, soldiers, and state employees were sidelined by reliable Afrikaners, with key posts going to Broederbond members (with their ideological commitment to separatism). The electoral system itself was manipulated to reduce the impact of immigrant English speakers and eliminate that of Coloureds.

The Afrikaner Broederbund: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broederbond

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

SteveMT's picture

You were the one that mentioned Al Qaeda, not me.

Are we not the aggressors, the invaders. Is Al Qaeda not equivalent with Mandela in this case? Of course there is world-wide sympathy for Al Qaeda. We invaded them based on lies. We even fund Al Qaeda. I'm rooting for them myself.

21,000

Approximately 21,000 people were killed during the 46 years of apartheid (1948-94) violence in South Africa. 2/3 of those were killed 1990-1994. Roughly, 7,500 are attributed to the apartheid gov't., so, basically, 7500 White on Black.
8,500 are known black on black , 4,900 are unknown, assumed to be black on black. So, roughly 13,500 attributed to black on black "violence".
Mandela was elected president in 1994.

Since 1994, nearly 70,000 Whites have been murdered in South Africa.

White South Africans are currently on genocide watch, Stage 6, Preparation. Stage 5 is Polarization. Stage 7, Extermination.
Stage 8, Denial.
http://ajkraad.wix.com/genocide-museum
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/White_Genocide_TVA.pdf

disclaimer: All of the estimates given are considered conservative.
Exact numbers are not known.

Blowback

The same happened at an even higher rate in Zimbabwe, formerly Rhodesia named after the original British overlord.

Were the vast majority of the deaths on either side non-culpable innocents? Yeah, that is always the case. Blowback is a b*tch.

"One resists the invasion of armies; one does not resist the invasion of ideas" Victor Hugo

And Nelson Mandela is

And Nelson Mandela is responsible for that? He is supposed to control what all people do?

If those statistics are true, I can easily imagine it being due to years of resentments that the Blacks had against whites. Combine the allowing of integration, the fact that Mandela did not seize property or take retribution against those whites....

I am not even sure if I trust those statistics...it doesn't look like they come from a non-partisan study...check this debunking out:
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/White-Genocide-fact-or-fictio...

Another debate (both sides):

http://tia-mysoa.blogspot.com/2011/02/is-genocide-of-boer-fa...

http://listconspiracy.blogspot.com/2011/02/question-5-does-h...

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Attorney Mandela plead guilty to 156 counts of terrorism.

Uncontested guilty. Do you believe that, or are you in denial about that also?

I have heard the 156 number

I have heard the 156 number before. Where is the primary source of that information? In some cases, I have heard "156 counts of public disturbance", "156 counts of violence", and "156 counts of terrorism".

I mean, some of the articles claim he plead guilty to crimes committed in 1984 or 1987. But his trial was in the 60s...you can even read the published court documents from 1962 and 1964. I don't see the evidence of the accusation or the "plead guilty" charge.

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Looking a little further at

Looking a little further at the actual evidence, I think you can find Mandela specifically of being guilty of accepting foreign aid, plotting to overthrow the republic completely, promoting communism (obviously), advocating violence, and planning some acts of terror (unspecific acts).

Again, all those things for the most part are things that would, or at least should, not be crimes in the US.

Ron Paul has received donations from foreigners, I am sure.
Plenty of individuals like Alex Jones and Stefan Molyneux have called for the sometimes violent overthrow of the US government. Groups like neo-nazis and the black panthers have as well.
Plenty of groups in this country promote communism, fascism, theocracy, anarchy, etc. I would hope that no one believes they should be thrown in jail for free speech.
Sarah Palin, Michele Bachman, Ted Cruz have all called for and incited violence. Bill O'Reilly literally calls for violence to be taken against doctors who perform abortions. Yet I think most of us would blame the perpetrators, not the talking heads, for the incidents in question. Otherwise, we'd have to arrest all producers of Rock music for causing children to turn to drugs and violence!

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SteveMT's picture

I agree. Mandela was a saint.

He was a likeable, warm and fuzzy guy that removed apartheid from South Africa, like Mugabe has done and still is doing in Zimbabwe. They both raised the standard of living in their respective countries, and the people are better off now than before their arrival.

Not related to you

Not related to you specifically, but I love how, despite the mountain of evidence behind the "official" 9-11 story (or Sandy Hook or whatever), people on this boards still question and criticize. They investigate, look deeper, etc.

Yet some blogger puts up all these supposed crimes of Mandela, and everyone here accepts it unquestionably as the truth.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

So, yeah, that isn't very

So, yeah, that isn't very compelling.

The "153 acts of terrorism" plus the other very general accusations (disturbing the peace, conspiring to overthrow the Republic), were levied against ALL members (ten of them), not just Mandela. So to blame him for everything is highly flawed..

The 153 list is simply a huge list of all perceived acts of terror committed against the Republic. Including such doozies as "telephone wire cut". The specific responsibility of Mandela is not assessed.

Obviously, Mandela was NOT CONVICTED for those crimes. He was convicted on these charges (of which he did not plead guilty):

recruiting persons for training in the preparation and use of explosives and in guerrilla warfare for the purpose of violent revolution and committing acts of sabotage

conspiring to commit the aforementioned acts and to aid foreign military units when they invaded the Republic,

acting in these ways to further the objects of communism

soliciting and receiving money for these purposes from sympathizers in Algeria, Ethiopia, Liberia, Nigeria, Tunisia, and elsewhere.

I love this line here:

"During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Mandela also discussed in some detail the relationship between the ANC and the Communist Party of South Africa, explaining that, while the two shared a commitment to action against the apartheid system, he was wedded to a model of constitutional democracy for South Africa, and also supported a market economy rather than a communist economic model.

Lastly, I will end by saying that you can see how lazily these accusations have been made. The source trial, "The state vs. Mandela, Nelson et al" has been changed to "Nelson Mandela and others vs. the state"...that is terrible copying. The interpreters add some mysterious claims on to the list of accusations. Lastly, while the Appendix B lists the crimes in section 40 to 193, the above websites lazily just use "193" as the acts of terror.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

SteveMT's picture

You win. Nelson Mandela is God. Who's next, Chairman Mao?

We might as well start from the top and work our way down.

What documents exist on the web both accessible and verifiable that Mao butchered 50M people plus/minus 20M? Nothing. So, that makes two points for you and zero for me. Next, Hitler. Repeat. times 50 with the others. You win, Dr.

In the End they honor him

Because he played their game. The western world wanted the riches of South Africa for themselves, and didn't want to pay full price. The ANC was making the cost higher. They installed Mandela, and he kept the costs low. He is one of them, so they love him.

Of course the ANC can't make the trains run on time, and so SA is slipping into backwardness like the rest of Africa. Take the land from people who know how to farm, give it to someone who doesn't know, and wonder why food production goes down, and prices go up.

Winnie

Because Winnie will send the Mandela Football Club to light me on fire if I don't.

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