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Either God approves or God is powerless to do anything about it

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If that is what you choose

If that is what you choose for yourself, then thats probably what you will experience.

it was meant as a compliment....

we are all dancing... mentally.

ok. sorry I mistook it. very

ok. sorry I mistook it. very good

"Entropy is my proof for a God".

is this not cause for celebration?
how can the 2nd law of thermodynamics be correct...
if life and energy persist?

heavy mental.. huh?

very pleased to meet you.

drop the heavy

It's just metal.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

uhh.. yeah..

Yep, free will is pretty difficult to live with. Being a slave/automaton is much easier. Or maybe you'll be reborn as an animal and won't have to worry about it any more.

The answer: C - Neither of those options

People need to start reading their Bible in order to find out what God has to say about things. Why is there so much injustice in the world? The answer is in Ecclesiastes 5:8-10 and 8:11

If you see the poor oppressed in a district, and justice and rights denied, do not be surprised at such things; for one official is eyed by a higher one, and over them both are others higher still. The increase from the land is taken by all; the king himself profits from the fields. Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless.

Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

We all are responsible for executing justice in our homes and ministers (pastors, deacons, judges and government officials) have the responsibility to judge matters among the people. This is the only role government has based on God's Law - not to take care of us like if we were their children. The way governments work today is pure evil - there is none, not one, that knows what their true role is, based on God's Law.

Also, if you read Luke 4:5-6, you will understand that satan has been given power and authority in the world, and he gives wealth and power to whoever serves him. Ephesians 2:2 explains that satan is the prince of the power of the air, in which course the whole world follows. Revelations chapter 12 explains this as well. International Law and Corporate Law are driven by greed and not Justice, so the Bible clearly explains all this, but people don't read it. Also, people fail to notice that "Corporations", which are an image of man (has the same rights as a man), don't exist in God's Law - this is man's law which cannot override God's Law. People now know more about Facebook and other foolish nonsense than the True Word of Our Creator. If anyone is interested in learning about Bible Prophecy (which explains who TPTB are, and includes the USA as a nation) please feel free to reach out.


Good post...

"If anyone is interested in learning about Bible Prophecy (which explains who TPTB are, and includes the USA as a nation) please feel free to reach out."


Is there a website?

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Very strange post

Why do you assume God approves of either? It's funny how people want to have free will but when they use that free will and follow other gods, and those gods let them down, they look for God to blame or to save them.

In the first picture

If Gods spirit is not in the building those people are more starved than those in the second picture.

as for the second picture

Where are the witch doctors to fill their bellies?

God does not go where he is not invited. He respects the free will man so covets.

The Universe is Mental--held in the Mind of The All

The All is Mind; The Universe is Mental.


The flaw in this is that the obvious implication is that until there are no hungry/poor/needy people, there can be no room for culture, science, architecture, or anything else.

There's also the fact that by owning a computer and posting this, you are automatically a hypocrite, because the money spent on the computer could have been used to feed poor people. Oops.

Now, for the record, if you're interested in a really good charity to do long-term good, I've heard of a fantastic one called Heifer International. The basic principle of it is that of teaching the man to fish; instead of simply sending food, they distribute things like cows, chickens, and goats, always enough to get a small, self-sustaining flock or herd started. Great guys.

There's a saying that goes

There's a saying that goes something like. "Sometimes I have the desire to ask God, 'why are there so many hungry and hurting people in the world when you have the power to help them?" but I'm afraid he might ask me the same thing." I think it's extremely applicable to this situation. God has instructed US to feed the hungry. We can't, after failing in the mission, turn around and ask him why he isn't doing it.

or God gave the gift of choice and personal responsibility?

or ... or .. or .. or ..

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.

So if you don't give 100% to the needy, you're evil?

If you contributed to Ron Paul's presidential campaign, apparently you approve of people starving to death because you could have been using that money to feed the poor. If you spend $5 on lunch instead of eating mac & cheese every day so you can feed someone in Africa, you're killing people!

This is a completely bogus argument on so many levels that whoever gets behind it needs to carefully reconsider.

People aren't starving to death because I'm giving money to my church (which feeds and helps educate a lot of poor people I might add). They're starving because of a variety of reasons, mostly to do with other people being jerks and tyrants in their area. It's not the kind of problem you solve by throwing money or food at it (see foreign aid), but by slowly reforming the people themselves, which is why you spend money on religious and political infrastructure like churches and the Daily Paul.

Or maybe I've just lost my *%$@ing mind.

"Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?" -Thomas Jefferson

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Selfishness IS a virtue.

If you gave away everything, you would no longer be able to help anyone else or yourself. Biblically, 1/10 sounds right.

Or He/She gave up on us a long time ago, or He/She

wants us to solve these issues ourselves, or, and not that I hold this view, but it is certainly a possibility within this limited context - He/She doesn't exist.

I simply cannot understand the "righteous" indignation of people who criticize how others choose to handle or dispose of their resources to the point done here.

If you really done like what other people are doing, take your message to them. I'm not contributing to those palaces and that extravagance. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Try Hollywood.


Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe God is just allowing us to reap the consequences of our own actions? For a group that so proudly proclaims the merits of personal responsibility, some in the liberty movement really baffle me how they don't understand this very simple concept.

God gave us freedom. It's our responsibility what we do with it. He isn't going to fix all our mistakes like he's our mother or some kind of cosmic santa claus. Get used to it.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Well, if we are all "instruments" of God

then many of us are seriously out of tune with the world.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Gos who?

If this invisible creature who is in the sky somewhere watching all of the sparrows fall on every planet in the 700 billion galaxies in the universe even exists to begin with, then, yes he approves. If this something in the sky loves humanity as the Christians claim and it is supposed to be omniscient then it would have made all of earth a utopia instead of the hell it is in the third world.

PS: Stop asking for it to bless America as it allowed 3000 Americans to die on 9/11. It hates the USA.
- See more at: http://www.zengardner.com/dystopia/#comment-42661

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"Would have made Earth a utopia."

He did that already, and humanity screwed it up by bringing sin into the picture.

He will return it to a utopia when He creates the new Earth. It is our duty on this Earth to do our best to mitigate the the damage done.

Also, you can hardly say God is "in the sky," given that He is best described as being outside of time and space itself, but able to reach in as He pleases.

Thanks for your perspective, but...

What god are you describing? Invisible creature means the god you describe was created. Lives in the sky? There are stars in the sky including the sun, but I doubt God lives up there. Make the earth a utopia? God already has done so. From a Christian point of view, earth is a utopia, the hell you proclaim is perceived by those who reject God, so it may appear like hell to you.
As for 3000 Americans dying, that is a questionable number which depends on whether or not they were elected by God to live.


Comes up with a false dichotomy to attack something he does not even believe in, it must be hard still thinking like a young teenager.

Can anyone correctly define God?

God is the creator and ALL of creation.

The creator does not stand in the way of free will.


"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon

A lot of idiots try to blame God

for what men do. God is not making people do this or that and in the end not only will sinners be abolished but those who blame God for the sins of man will as well.

What a glorious day that will be.

God called me today

Told me that people who complain to him need to get off their ass and do something about this stuff, he's busy keeping us from killing each other.

What people think God thinks, has no bearing

on what He actually thinks.

The graphic is an indictment against excess in certain religious groups. It does not indict God Himself, as your title suggests.

Lastly, you can post anything you like here, but does this post have any bearing on the Liberty movement, or are you just trolling? The only purpose that I can see behind these types of posts is to divide us along existential belief system lines, of which we are a very mixed group.


The title of this thread contains a nutty premise, i.e. God ultimately judging some ALLEGEDLY approved act or is powerless to do so. LoL

There's the question of the free will, its misuse, and its ultimate judgment as elucidated in the Book of Revelations.

“I was at this time living,

“I was at this time living, like so many Atheists or Antitheists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world.” -C.S Lewis

Evangelical Atheism

It starts with theology pieced together from matchbook covers and tv news and winds up with silly posters blaming God for man's failings. Sorry you feel let down by someone you don't believe in. Gotta be a weird feeling.

wrong forum, this should be under ANTI-Religion

What a stupid post.
just logged on to downvote it, really.

But I do have a question? Why'd you post this knowing so many would see through this clearly misguided and ignorant pic? Zen Gardener 'dude' obviously doesn't give a crap about starving children in Africa or else he'd be doing something about it. His hypocracy and yours, go213, are truly astounding.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison