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Should Neo-Nazis be allowed to post on this forum?

I know nobody here is crazy about censorship, but where do you draw the line? Should we let known Neo-Nazis and Stormfront recruiters post here?



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Thank you for your input deacon.

I'm not from the US, so I'm just trying to get an understanding of the nuts and bolts of your constitution, why it was "God given", and how it works in a society where there is a (for want of a better term) a war on God, or if you like, a war on decent human behavior.
I'm getting there!

deacon's picture

You are welcome

I believe it boils down to man is not above man,so man cannot create things that go against another man.that would mean that some are higher up the scale
of importance,or above the others.
But with the creator mentioned,it seems to me that the laws had someone of a
higher power in mind,and that "it"calls the shots,leaving it out of mans hands

i knew you weren't from the US,Australia,if my memory serves?
Glad I could help
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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

New Zealand,

and fighting hard to keep it a great little free country.

deacon's picture

NZ

excellent,proves the freedom train is for all.and transcends boundaries
created by man
For me,it is heart warming :)

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

for once I am upvoting you

and further, political speach is the most protected form of speech, whether by a politician or otherwise, under the first amendment.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I thought they believed that it was a God given right?

My understanding of the Constitution, is that it defends rights, it does not grant them.

I don't get God given "Rights".

The Biblical God gives you the "right" to dwell with Him for eternity if you embrace him in your heart.
Apart from that, He promises no "rights" at all.
The Constitution was written in the language of the day, for the peoples of the day, by the people of the day.
Every "right" we have is man made, and the UN is churning them out every day, the "right" to be equal,to clean air,to clean water, to be warm, to be fed, to be loved, to be nurtured, and on and on.
Don't get me wrong, I love your Constitution, but at the end of the day, it's man made.

I mostly agree.

But as the story of King David an Uriah shows, Government is not above the law.

I think the rights listed in the Constitution, are pretty much in line with Biblical teachings of justice.

I find the idea, that Governments can give, and take away rights for any reason dangerous.

I was saying what I think the founders believed, that is all.

Ahhh, the penny has dropped.

Now I get it, because the constitution is set within Biblical teachings, the rights are God given.
My English heritage makes me think differently to you,as the English Kings and Queens were on the throne because of "Divine Rights" (or God put them there), I was thinking along the same lines about the Founding Fathers.
Everything is clearer now.
Cheers.

so the lady in the lake

story is factual?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

Monty python

weighs in

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

See my post

The Wisdom of a Peasant.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

deacon's picture

where is it?

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If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Here ya go.

the watery tart scene!

one of my faves! Yer not so bad after all...

I like the intro;

How can you tell he's a king?

a: He hasn't got shit all over him.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Correct. The Old Testament says that the

Twelve tribes of Israel were ruled by Judges, in a sort of God ordained republic type system. The Israelites got ticked off when the sons of Samuel became corrupt.

They said "Give us a King!" Samuel got mad at them but God told him to give them a King, after making sure they understood the tyranny they would be under. High taxes (10% LOL) the draft etc.

They still wanted a King, they got what they wanted. But the King still had to obey God, or pay the price. As David had to learn.

We have a Republic now, our Servants the politicians, are the ones rebelling against our form of government when they violate the Constitution.

That's why I always believed

That's why I always believed we will never truly have a free society. Everyone's definition of freedom is different than another's. Everyone has their own agenda and intolerance of those who disagree with them politically, spiritually, and individually.

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Censorship, Censorship, Censorship

The Daily Paul has always been censored.

Very few people complained about "censorship" when we were strongarming the anti-Ron Paul people out of here, throwing them out on their asses and locking the door behind them between 2007- 2012.

As a result, the Daily Paul was a nice, loud, resonating echo chamber that sounded something like this: "Ron Paul! Ron Paul! Ron Paul!"

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For those who didn't get the memo, for the millionth time, the First Amendment applies to the Government, not to private parties. If you don't understand that, go into work tomorrow morning first thing and tell your boss what you really think of him and see what happens.

You've got your First Amendment right, and your boss has the right to fire you.

Likewise at the Daily Paul. You've got your First Amendment right, and I have the right to ban you, and the two have nothing to do with each other. I am not infringing on anyone's right to free speech by banning them. I am exercising my property rights.

As it also says in the guide, posting here is a privilege, not a right. You do not have a right to be on the Daily Paul.

If someone lacks the social skills to interact here in a positive way here, then I'm happy to show them the door.

So to answer your question, "Should we let Neo-Nazis and Stormfront recruiters post here?" the answer is no. I don't want them here, and when we find them, we'll ban them, and they're not welcome to return.

I hope that answers your question.

He's the man.

WOW!! ............. Michael That Was Superb!

BOOM!!

Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul...

lol.....:)

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p.s.

I've been doing this - moderating online forums - for over 10 years now. After all these years, I have a good idea, by topic focus and language choice, who is going to be trouble.

I don't have the patience for it that I once did. I'm getting extremely crotchety towards the constant takers who think that the Daily Paul is a public service for them to abuse.

The Daily Paul is offered freely as a voluntary exchange. But the key to a voluntary exchange is that both parties agree to the transaction. If only one party agrees, and only one party is served, then the transaction is not voluntary.

Lots of people, including Neo Nazis, may want to post here, and for good reason. But there are some people that I simply don't want here. And thankfully, because of the tradition of private property law in the United States, I don't have to tolerate them.

He's the man.

Does that include D-503?

I respect your position, just curious.

"I'm Ron Paul." - Ron Paul

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A moderator more alert than myself listed the following comments

for the ban:

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3284390

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3284267

I rarely overrule a moderator, and I'm not going to in that case.

My litmus test increasingly is whether I would associate with this person in real life, and for anyone who expresses these kinds of opinions, the answer is no.

He's the man.

It's more than that one poster.

I mentioned it further down and of course I got downvoted for telling it like it is. Lots of comments are much more subtle than the poster you showed as an example. And it's not just against the Black race. Lots of posts calling out Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Gays and Lesbians. That's why I see this site changing. And it's not just from the influx of new members. I'm seeing it in the old timers. I wonder if it's because they are just getting old and their mind is turning into that, or if they aren't really libertarian minded to begin with and just posting stuff before that sounded like they were and to fit in with what this site was more about.

And I'm not the only one noticing it. Sometimes people get older and their ways of thinking turn old too.

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Thanks Ralph, I'll look into it.

I appreciate you calling this to my attention.

He's the man.

Feel free

to bring my attention to these matters Oyasin.

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

I was hoping you would weigh

I was hoping you would weigh in. I remember being so pleased in '07 when you seized on the notion of this site as your property. You should just cut and paste this post for when this issue arises again inevitably.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

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This is why I trust Michael with DP membership $$

There are many user battles to watch. When he intervenes too much or too little, I'll make my case and voice my opinion. I've seen some users make a case against others. However, I have a high tolerance for "jerks and dopes". Everyday before I left the house, my dad warned me about "jerks and dopes". They're out there.

If the issue is a huge deal to me, I'll stop supporting the DP endeavor. That is the choice. I've never questioned Michael as of yet. He is in the league of Mr. Swann and Dr. Paul. T-r-u-s-t.

Keep it up, Mr. Nystrom.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Thank you.

I appreciate your words of encouragement as well as your financial support.\

Thank you.

He's the man.

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When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

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