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Do you believe in Aliens and UFOs?

There are now hundreds of testimonies now from retired military officers. What are your thoughts on this issue?


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Life in outer space? Yeah.

I believe the bible and it says that there are lots of beings created to reside in the heavens (Mat 18:10, Mat 22:30, Mat 24:36, Gen 28:12, 1 Chro 21:16, Zech 6:5, etc.) Are they made of flesh? Nope, spirit life. Our bodies are made of the dust of the ground and animated by the breath of life (Gen 2:7). The beings who reside in outer space don't need space ships because they aren't flesh, they were made to exist out there. Also, Jesus when he was resurrected as a spirit being (1 Cor 15:45), he was able to travel from earth to the "third heaven" (2 Cor 12:2) where God resides and back in a few hours (John 20:17-19) to be accepted by the father as the wave offering (Lev 23:11), so travel time is a non-issue with that type of being, just don't ask me how it works.

So is there life out there? Yes, just not flesh like us. Another thing to consider is that Jesus said: "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." (John 3:13). So, no, people don't go to heaven when they die, they await to be resurrected at the last day (John 11:23-24, 1 Cor 15, etc.)

Yes, I will turn a discussion about UFOs into something biblical; try and stop me!

It's as good an explanation as any

There's certainly some

non-Human life serving in our Congress.

Why the downvote?

You can't take a joke?

The sheer volume of evidence

The sheer volume of evidence shows that there's something strange in our skies. The overwhelming odds suggest that there is life on other planets. But if we tie these two ideas together, does it solve the enigma? Only partially. This suggests to me that the answer is probably stranger than we think. Some of what's going on is a Trojan horse.

Free or drug free? America can't be both!

UFO/ALIENS: Belief vs Knowledge.

Why does one have to believe and not know? I remain skeptical of anything that is dependent entirely on testimony.
Assuming UFO's are from an extra-terrestrial origin, and from another star system, it seems to me the arrival of such craft would be detectable. Unless the aliens are extremely long lived and require very little food, a journey from another star using a propulsion system is impractical.
It seems to me some propulsion system that alters time and space would scream out loud when it arrived in the neighborhood and if these visits to here and other planets is routine for them this sort of travel system would have been detected by SETI, or some other scientific program.
NASA wants us to believe that life is common in the universe. It continues to fund the exploration of Mars and some of the satellites of other planets in a doomed effort to find more life.
Life is not subtle. If it was on Mars, it would have been found. Like the hunt for the cure for disease, hunting is more profitable than actually curing the disease to the hunters. So it is with life on Mars. Finding life there would bring the hunt to an end.
While witnesses may be sincere in what they say, that doesn't prove anything. Believing something and knowing something are two different things. Unambiguous evidence is what is needed, not just stories from someone who appears sincere. It doesn't really matter how many someones there are. What is needed is a small amount of physical proof. Testimony is pretty worthless, no matter how high it is piled.
If it is a matter of fact, facts are needed. Belief, however, needs no facts whatsoever.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

ya lost me at "retired military officers"

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It would be stupid not to if you believe in God or a higher

power. If God created everything, the planets and solar systems and such....what would limit him to not being able to create other life anywhere he damned well pleased? It's kind of strange thinking we are the only special ones.

Sure - Just look at the U.S. Congress - it's full of them...

Proof that aliens can't read, but they sure can take an oath.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

but they sure can break an oath

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Free includes debt-free!

How could they travel millions of light years ...

... is the central issue.

Other life on other planets in the Universe? Of course.

Life more intelligent that humans? Sure.

But the ability to get into a spacecraft and travel a distance of millions of light years? That is a WHOLE different issue.

Ok I'm gonna think out loud for a moment

Say the universe is 15 Billion years old.

And all life forms in this universe are NOT older than that, that we aren't dealing with some type of species that transcends the birth of the universe, but are of this universe only. Basically, physical matter like we are.

Let us say for the sake of argument that faster than light, or even near light speed travel will be possible some day. We just haven't discovered it yet, and are many generations from doing so, it would seem. But there are whole realms of physics that we haven't even grasped.

Now all these life forms in our Universe had to develop from the same starting point as us. For there to be aliens visiting us from multiple light years away, those life forms would had to have leapfrogged our development, and to have developed light speed travel much quicker than we have. That's a bit of a stretch, but it might be possible. We might be the universe' slow learners, the remedial school kids. We're just stumbling along in our evolution like everybody else, it would seem, though. Probably about average cause we don't have enough data to say one way or the other. So, generally speaking, the majority of species probably have NOT developed interstellar travel. We're all pretty much average, with some grade-repeaters and some prodigies.

This would explain why we don't see large numbers of faster than light vehicles just whipping in for the (obvious, unclandestine) visit on a regular basis. Because the average life form in our Universe is like us and hasn't developed light speed travel just yet.

Maybe there are some species that moved right to the top of the class, so to speak, the 'bright' kids of the Universe, they caught on quick and got their phased laser weaponry and warp drives early on. So if that's the case and they started out like us, what would do they have to lose by contacting us directly? We're kin, after all. Star children one and all. OK maybe they're looking to make a few quatloos in the deal, and we don't have any quatloos.

OK yeah just like in school, the smart kids don't always stoop to bring the mental midgets along with 'em. If the retreads don't get it, that's their problem. But then again, there's always gonna be someone like Steve Jobs who says 'let's do something insanely great'...and sell those knuckledragging Earthmen warp drives and molecular transport mechanisms and paint and wall paper for their Einstein-Rosen bridges.

Where are the Universe sales guys? They haven't showed up ringing the door bell over in our neck of the woods. Just lurking around getting up their courage by the so-called evidence, crashed one in Roswell after a hard night drinking in the Orion Belt.

It seems too wacky. Nobody's ringing the door bell wanting to sell us a set of Encyclopedia Galatica or a subscription to Modern Cosmology. WTF? Hey man we're here and we want that sh*t and we'll pay top dollar.

Oh wait our dollar is worth even less in interstellar space. I'll bet those basterds want GOLD. Yeah, see that movie 'Aliens and Cowboys' wasn't so farfetched after all.

I think the real question here is...

Do the aliens believe in you???

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Life on other Planets?

Yes, but will never see them doubtfully.

Government will fake it before we see it for real.

Alien invasion is a globalist's biggest hope

An alien invasion, such as we get to see depicted over and over in popular entertainment, would truly be a globalist's dream come true. Scarcity scares, global climate change, pandemic panics and potential threats from asteroid collisions or massive solar events are all made up promotions intended to scare us into giving up power to globalist institutions. But what they are really hoping for is a true extra-planetary attack from an intelligent alien species.

This eventuality, which we have all been conditioned to fear, would instantly generate popular demand for global government to combat the threat. All national interests would be set aside as all of mankind united in the effort to repel the alien invaders. This would mean the end of such petty concerns as personal liberty and privacy, personal control of assets such as money and property and the immediate conscription of all able bodied men and women.

Once such a militarized global government was established, and I believe all the groundwork is in place, earth's populations would never again see meaningful national or local governance.

Anyone objecting on any grounds whatsoever would be branded an alien sympathizer and an anti-human degenerate. Imprisonment would be the kindest fate to befall anyone not in full support of world wide militarization under a central command.

So do I "believe" in aliens or UFO's? I have no direct knowledge of them and I don't know anyone who does. But I can't prove they don't exist and so I guess I'm an alien agnostic. Given the history of false flag operations and the growing technological ability to create convincing illusions, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a profound "event" sometime in the future that is intended to scare global populations into giving up what is left of their individual sovereignty.

"The Wes Penre Papers"

http://www.wespenre.com/index.htm

Extensive research for those who may have an interest in the Sitchin theories and beyond.

It's a bit non sensical

Where was that first said.

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes

Believing in something does not make anything true. People are limited to what they can experience only through the five senses. I've seen my dog snarl and bark at a fixed point in the house where I could see or hear nothing. But my dog definitely saw and heard something because his senses are far better than mine.

When I had my open heart surgery 13 years ago I had technically died on the operating table but was successfully resuscitated. During the time that I was dead, I experienced an existence of an afterlife. The things I saw and experienced were quite different than this world (but I strangely felt at home in my surroundings). I told my doctor the whole story in detail, but he said I was just having hallucinations. I told the whole detailed story to my family members and some friends. They all just smiled and said that I was imagining things. The problem with all of this is that what I experienced seemed every bit as real as everything that I experience in my daily life now. I truly believe it happened for real, but I can't prove it and nobody believes me anyway.

What I'm trying to convey is that both this life and the afterlife seem equally real. So I am confused as I now believe that both are illusions... Or are they both real? Maybe we all manifest our own reality.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

Even though

I've never experienced an NDE and you may be well-familiar with this type of site
http://nderf.org
I can't help but think they're the closest info' we have on the after-life, and with many relevant insights on religion, cosmology, etc

btw concerning extra-terrestrials, I'm open to their existence while intrigued by the scientific implications

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Maybe THIS is the illusion and what you experienced was reality...
who really knows? Frankly I know that I don't know.

(Who the hell is Frank Ly and what has he got to do with anything anyway?)

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I believe you; and I love this question.

This is existential self assessment at its finest. If reality is just our perception of our environment and our interactions within said environment then what is to say that what you experienced wasn't just an "alternate" reality, or your mind perceiving something that you couldn't "sense" from a baseline state. This is a principle idea amongst the psychedelic movement. While what you experienced I am sure is something different than taking a psychedelic drug I can vouch from experience that I have had that same feeling you have described but from psychedelics. I am always contemplating this very idea; What are the boundaries of reality, can we manifest parts of our consciousness to affect real change in our reality and can we perceive other states of existence? Very profound questions.

Also

The chemicals released by the brain under extreme trauma are chemically identical to the most potent psychedelic compound on the planet. DMT or Dimethyltryptamine. This is released in large quantities by the brain;specifically the Pineal Gland, when the body is near death. Some neurobiologists believe this accounts for the near death experience.

An alien invasion is nothing like ascribed

An alien invasion is a misnomer created by TV propaganda. Such things as an invasion don't really ever occur either.

I knew it! Hot damn!

I knew it! Hot damn!

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Beam me up Scotty

Yes, Obama is an illegal

Yes, Obama is an illegal alien and drones roam the skies.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I don't believe majority of what I am told

Science has been around less then 300 years. On top of the fact that human beings for the most part are morally compromised.

In my opinion we are not being told the truth.

Human beings are way older then 200,000 years. The fact that it takes a child almost 3 years to begin to take care of themselves tells me everything.

WERE WAY OLDER THEN THEY WILL EVER TELL YOU!!!

That's like the pyramids. They say they are only 30,000 years old. LOL!!!

How about the outside has been exposed for 30,000 years because the Egyptian's removed the marble layer that use to be on the pyramids. They are more like 2 million years old

I'd have to agree, Jerusalem led history is distorted

In fact there is no way one can trust our current history, given the amount of times it was distorted by these outcast thieves.

I never heard the pyramids (Gisa?) were 30,000 yrs old, but

often read they were 4,500 yrs old, but water wear suggests they were about 12,000 yrs old, built after the Deluge; also Edgar Cayce said they were about 12,500 years old and I believe he knew.
I consider myself a Sitchinite, and believe Zecharia Sitchin's main book "The 12th Planet" will one day be our bible. The conclusion is that God of the Bible came to Earth in UFO's with about 600 other astronauts and settled here; they also settled the Moon and Mars.

While it will take another hundred years to accept that aliens were our gods, when a fair argument and all the evidence is weighed, the preposterous notion that God was from another planet is not only possible, but is way more likely. (Why does it seem the flimsiest theory is the one that predominates; proof of conspiracy?)

Many stories in the Old Testament were written on clay tablets 2 or 3,000 years earlier than the same stories discovered on leather or papyrus written in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic; this can't be coincidence.
The 2nd in Command god was named Ea; he was the main protagonist in all the stories that were similar to the bible stories. Additionally, the God of the Bible is named Jehovah, which is actually Ea with a convoluted spelling: Hebrews did not have vowels when Ea announced his name so it was written JHVH, and when vowels came into being they were inserted in their proper places but caused sort of a redundancy. The true name Ea can still be heard when pronouncing the name "Ea" backwards: Yahweh, which is a phonetical spelling.

So UFO's were here since the beginning of time as we know it. There are pictures in the earliest cave drawings on Earth to support this idea.

Btw, the earliest and greatest civilization were the Sumerians, and they never called these very advanced aliens gods, but called them "those of the fiery rockets", and said all the knowledge they acquired was given to them by those aliens. They knew all the planets in our solar system revolved around the Sun. By the time the Greeks gave us astronomical info this knowledge was already lost.

My own theory is that the name "God" came about as a corruption of the word "Gudde" or something similar which meant "Bull/Taurus" the Constellation as it was originally associated with Enlil, the Commander and his clan. Many hundreds of years later when aliens removed themselves from Earth calling upon the name "God" was more general although right up to 3 or 400 years after Jesus there were many who still called upon the individual names of each god: Enlil, Ea, Nannar, Ishtar, Adad, etc. It was the wane of the Roman Empire that demanded a one god worship, and ultimately all God knowledge was controlled by kings and priests ... well, we know how it goes from there.
So, has there ever been a time in Planet Earth's history that did NOT suggest that UFO's were here and are here? Never, and today with social media like youtube, it is quite apparent they are sure as s___ here. I think people who refuse to acknowledge their presence are the same mindset as those who cannot conceive of American Govt blowing the hell out of the Twin Towers.
The greatest story never told. Sorry about the long comment - I could write a book but it's already been written.