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Do you believe in Aliens and UFOs?

There are now hundreds of testimonies now from retired military officers. What are your thoughts on this issue?


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The sheer volume of evidence

The sheer volume of evidence shows that there's something strange in our skies. The overwhelming odds suggest that there is life on other planets. But if we tie these two ideas together, does it solve the enigma? Only partially. This suggests to me that the answer is probably stranger than we think. Some of what's going on is a Trojan horse.

UFO/ALIENS: Belief vs Knowledge.

Why does one have to believe and not know? I remain skeptical of anything that is dependent entirely on testimony.
Assuming UFO's are from an extra-terrestrial origin, and from another star system, it seems to me the arrival of such craft would be detectable. Unless the aliens are extremely long lived and require very little food, a journey from another star using a propulsion system is impractical.
It seems to me some propulsion system that alters time and space would scream out loud when it arrived in the neighborhood and if these visits to here and other planets is routine for them this sort of travel system would have been detected by SETI, or some other scientific program.
NASA wants us to believe that life is common in the universe. It continues to fund the exploration of Mars and some of the satellites of other planets in a doomed effort to find more life.
Life is not subtle. If it was on Mars, it would have been found. Like the hunt for the cure for disease, hunting is more profitable than actually curing the disease to the hunters. So it is with life on Mars. Finding life there would bring the hunt to an end.
While witnesses may be sincere in what they say, that doesn't prove anything. Believing something and knowing something are two different things. Unambiguous evidence is what is needed, not just stories from someone who appears sincere. It doesn't really matter how many someones there are. What is needed is a small amount of physical proof. Testimony is pretty worthless, no matter how high it is piled.
If it is a matter of fact, facts are needed. Belief, however, needs no facts whatsoever.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

ya lost me at "retired military officers"

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It would be stupid not to if you believe in God or a higher

power. If God created everything, the planets and solar systems and such....what would limit him to not being able to create other life anywhere he damned well pleased? It's kind of strange thinking we are the only special ones.

Sure - Just look at the U.S. Congress - it's full of them...

Proof that aliens can't read, but they sure can take an oath.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

How could they travel millions of light years ...

... is the central issue.

Other life on other planets in the Universe? Of course.

Life more intelligent that humans? Sure.

But the ability to get into a spacecraft and travel a distance of millions of light years? That is a WHOLE different issue.

I think the real question here is...

Do the aliens believe in you???

I saw the best minds of my generation, destroyed by pandas starving hysterical naked

-Allen Ginsberg

Life on other Planets?

Yes, but will never see them doubtfully.

Government will fake it before we see it for real.

Alien invasion is a globalist's biggest hope

An alien invasion, such as we get to see depicted over and over in popular entertainment, would truly be a globalist's dream come true. Scarcity scares, global climate change, pandemic panics and potential threats from asteroid collisions or massive solar events are all made up promotions intended to scare us into giving up power to globalist institutions. But what they are really hoping for is a true extra-planetary attack from an intelligent alien species.

This eventuality, which we have all been conditioned to fear, would instantly generate popular demand for global government to combat the threat. All national interests would be set aside as all of mankind united in the effort to repel the alien invaders. This would mean the end of such petty concerns as personal liberty and privacy, personal control of assets such as money and property and the immediate conscription of all able bodied men and women.

Once such a militarized global government was established, and I believe all the groundwork is in place, earth's populations would never again see meaningful national or local governance.

Anyone objecting on any grounds whatsoever would be branded an alien sympathizer and an anti-human degenerate. Imprisonment would be the kindest fate to befall anyone not in full support of world wide militarization under a central command.

So do I "believe" in aliens or UFO's? I have no direct knowledge of them and I don't know anyone who does. But I can't prove they don't exist and so I guess I'm an alien agnostic. Given the history of false flag operations and the growing technological ability to create convincing illusions, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a profound "event" sometime in the future that is intended to scare global populations into giving up what is left of their individual sovereignty.

"The Wes Penre Papers"

http://www.wespenre.com/index.htm

Extensive research for those who may have an interest in the Sitchin theories and beyond.

It's a bit non sensical

Where was that first said.

It doesn't really matter what anyone believes

Believing in something does not make anything true. People are limited to what they can experience only through the five senses. I've seen my dog snarl and bark at a fixed point in the house where I could see or hear nothing. But my dog definitely saw and heard something because his senses are far better than mine.

When I had my open heart surgery 13 years ago I had technically died on the operating table but was successfully resuscitated. During the time that I was dead, I experienced an existence of an afterlife. The things I saw and experienced were quite different than this world (but I strangely felt at home in my surroundings). I told my doctor the whole story in detail, but he said I was just having hallucinations. I told the whole detailed story to my family members and some friends. They all just smiled and said that I was imagining things. The problem with all of this is that what I experienced seemed every bit as real as everything that I experience in my daily life now. I truly believe it happened for real, but I can't prove it and nobody believes me anyway.

What I'm trying to convey is that both this life and the afterlife seem equally real. So I am confused as I now believe that both are illusions... Or are they both real? Maybe we all manifest our own reality.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

Even though

I've never experienced an NDE and you may be well-familiar with this type of site
http://nderf.org
I can't help but think they're the closest info' we have on the after-life, and with many relevant insights on religion, cosmology, etc

btw concerning extra-terrestrials, I'm open to their existence while intrigued by the scientific implications

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Maybe THIS is the illusion and what you experienced was reality...
who really knows? Frankly I know that I don't know.

(Who the hell is Frank Ly and what has he got to do with anything anyway?)

If my need to be RIGHT is greater than my desire for TRUTH, then I will not recognize it when it arrives ~ Libertybelle

I believe you; and I love this question.

This is existential self assessment at its finest. If reality is just our perception of our environment and our interactions within said environment then what is to say that what you experienced wasn't just an "alternate" reality, or your mind perceiving something that you couldn't "sense" from a baseline state. This is a principle idea amongst the psychedelic movement. While what you experienced I am sure is something different than taking a psychedelic drug I can vouch from experience that I have had that same feeling you have described but from psychedelics. I am always contemplating this very idea; What are the boundaries of reality, can we manifest parts of our consciousness to affect real change in our reality and can we perceive other states of existence? Very profound questions.

Also

The chemicals released by the brain under extreme trauma are chemically identical to the most potent psychedelic compound on the planet. DMT or Dimethyltryptamine. This is released in large quantities by the brain;specifically the Pineal Gland, when the body is near death. Some neurobiologists believe this accounts for the near death experience.

An alien invasion is nothing like ascribed

An alien invasion is a misnomer created by TV propaganda. Such things as an invasion don't really ever occur either.

I knew it! Hot damn!

I knew it! Hot damn!

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Beam me up Scotty

Yes, Obama is an illegal

Yes, Obama is an illegal alien and drones roam the skies.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

I don't believe majority of what I am told

Science has been around less then 300 years. On top of the fact that human beings for the most part are morally compromised.

In my opinion we are not being told the truth.

Human beings are way older then 200,000 years. The fact that it takes a child almost 3 years to begin to take care of themselves tells me everything.

WERE WAY OLDER THEN THEY WILL EVER TELL YOU!!!

That's like the pyramids. They say they are only 30,000 years old. LOL!!!

How about the outside has been exposed for 30,000 years because the Egyptian's removed the marble layer that use to be on the pyramids. They are more like 2 million years old

I'd have to agree, Jerusalem led history is distorted

In fact there is no way one can trust our current history, given the amount of times it was distorted by these outcast thieves.

I never heard the pyramids (Gisa?) were 30,000 yrs old, but

often read they were 4,500 yrs old, but water wear suggests they were about 12,000 yrs old, built after the Deluge; also Edgar Cayce said they were about 12,500 years old and I believe he knew.
I consider myself a Sitchinite, and believe Zecharia Sitchin's main book "The 12th Planet" will one day be our bible. The conclusion is that God of the Bible came to Earth in UFO's with about 600 other astronauts and settled here; they also settled the Moon and Mars.

While it will take another hundred years to accept that aliens were our gods, when a fair argument and all the evidence is weighed, the preposterous notion that God was from another planet is not only possible, but is way more likely. (Why does it seem the flimsiest theory is the one that predominates; proof of conspiracy?)

Many stories in the Old Testament were written on clay tablets 2 or 3,000 years earlier than the same stories discovered on leather or papyrus written in Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic; this can't be coincidence.
The 2nd in Command god was named Ea; he was the main protagonist in all the stories that were similar to the bible stories. Additionally, the God of the Bible is named Jehovah, which is actually Ea with a convoluted spelling: Hebrews did not have vowels when Ea announced his name so it was written JHVH, and when vowels came into being they were inserted in their proper places but caused sort of a redundancy. The true name Ea can still be heard when pronouncing the name "Ea" backwards: Yahweh, which is a phonetical spelling.

So UFO's were here since the beginning of time as we know it. There are pictures in the earliest cave drawings on Earth to support this idea.

Btw, the earliest and greatest civilization were the Sumerians, and they never called these very advanced aliens gods, but called them "those of the fiery rockets", and said all the knowledge they acquired was given to them by those aliens. They knew all the planets in our solar system revolved around the Sun. By the time the Greeks gave us astronomical info this knowledge was already lost.

My own theory is that the name "God" came about as a corruption of the word "Gudde" or something similar which meant "Bull/Taurus" the Constellation as it was originally associated with Enlil, the Commander and his clan. Many hundreds of years later when aliens removed themselves from Earth calling upon the name "God" was more general although right up to 3 or 400 years after Jesus there were many who still called upon the individual names of each god: Enlil, Ea, Nannar, Ishtar, Adad, etc. It was the wane of the Roman Empire that demanded a one god worship, and ultimately all God knowledge was controlled by kings and priests ... well, we know how it goes from there.
So, has there ever been a time in Planet Earth's history that did NOT suggest that UFO's were here and are here? Never, and today with social media like youtube, it is quite apparent they are sure as s___ here. I think people who refuse to acknowledge their presence are the same mindset as those who cannot conceive of American Govt blowing the hell out of the Twin Towers.
The greatest story never told. Sorry about the long comment - I could write a book but it's already been written.

There is also the fact that....

The Pyramids came from mars....and the Pileadies star system. Yet that is not anything you would hear in a school book is it. Nobody cares to share these little facts with the population.

Too much fear out there for the regular folk to learn of their origins. Well we are all going to learn soon, that is of course by design. And now and again aliens will still be ridiculed by movies.

THE HOUR OF OUR TIME

The definitive documentary on the life and death of Milton William Cooper.
Surrounding us in our day to day lives are mysteries, that to spend our days pondering would paralyze us from leading productive lives. So we turn away from these thoughts in order to see out as trouble free an existence as we can.
Then there are those who have made it their business to explore and expose these mysteries : to remind us of what we already know on some deep subconscious level, that things are rarely what they seem on the surface. Bill Cooper was such a man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINEEPKJt-o

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'One's business to explore and expose these mysteries'

Fascinating also and thanks for encouraging the pursuit of truth

DJP333's picture

FASCINATING!!

Never heard of this guy before.

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
"Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves."

This Stephen Hawking Film Is Really Good

Into the Universe With Stephen Hawking: Aliens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrBpq26xO4g

yes and no

I believe in the possibility of aliens existing, but maybe not during human existence.

For aliens to exist, there must be planets suitable for that. I thinkthis fact alone really pares down the number of likely candidate planets. Then , those planets would have to be further pared down to sustaining intelligent life during our existence for contact to be possible. Which brings me to my next point.

Earth is 4.54 billion years old. Our species, the only on this planet capable of initiating contact, is only 200,000 years old. Our species has only been capable of contact outside this planet for about 75 years. Think about that for a second. On a planet that we know irrefutably of the existence of intelligent life, contact has only been possible for 75 years on a planet that is 4.54 billion years old. So, for every planet where intelligent life is possible, we have to consider whether the existence of an intelligent life would coincide with our own and whether they could initiate contact with us given the same set of circumstances. So I think it is possible for aliens to exist, but I doubt the likelihood of contact with them. Maybe if the timeline of our existence and their existence were long enough, there might be a chance. However, I don't see our species being capable of surviving even another 200,000 years. I think we have peaked as a species. It would appear to me that whatever alien race is out there, that they would have to have solved the problems that threaten their own existence to stretch out that timeline where contact is possible.

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