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Do you believe in Aliens and UFOs?

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one should remain logical on this

mathematically it's highly improbable that aliens exist and have visited for the above reasons as well as others. I would prefer that aliens didn't exist for the fact simply because we haven't found their planet. the way our planet is, we're basically blazing like a candle in the dark with all the em and radio waves we put out and i'm sure we're quite visible from incredibly far away. If there were aliens with light speed travel, we'd be hearing their first radio transmissions well before we ever saw their ships. The fact we haven't and we've seen things alarms me because that implies to me their planet has been electromagnetically dead for some time now and they've moved on to other places. This raises the distinct possibility that any aliens we'd come across would be the hostile locust type aliens that just harvest planets/stars then move on leaving nothing but waste behind. Not a possibility i'd like very much.

Matthew 10:16

Logic is the one thing your refutation is lacking!

Mathematically speaking it is highly probable alien life exists somewhere in the universe.

*1."Astronomers using NASA data have calculated for the first time that in our galaxy alone, there are at least 8.8 billion stars with Earth-size planets in the habitable temperature zone.

The study was published Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For perspective, that's more Earth-like planets than there are people on Earth.

As for what it says about the odds that there is life somewhere out there, it means "just in our Milky Way galaxy alone, that's 8.8 billion throws of the biological dice," said study co-author Geoff Marcy, a longtime planet hunter from the University of California at Berkeley"

**2. Estimates put the number of galaxies in the observable universe at a minimum of 100 BILLION galaxies. (I wont even touch on the subject of Multi-verse theory)

So we will use the ratio of 1 planet in the habitable region of 1 star. That is 8.8 Billion "habitable planets" in our galaxy as a base line number (I will cut that in half to make it an even more conservative estimate) Multiplied by the estimate of a minimum of 100 Billion galaxies in the observable Universe.

That would mean, mathematically speaking there is at least 4,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in the observable universe that fall within the parameters of what we consider habitable. Now lets say amongst all those planets the chance of 1 of them having intelligent life similar to something we could identify with is equivalent to winning the Powerball lottery 1:175,223,512. Then there would still be (I will round down just to be even more conservative in my estimate) 25,000,000,000,000. Yes that is 25 TRILLION planets with the potential to have life similar to something we could identify with. The Hubris that some of the religious exude about having "correct" knowledge of the universe is laughable at best.

* http://www.nbcnews.com/science/8-8-billion-habitable-earth-s...

** http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/10/10/how-many-g...

Thank you.

:)

Your welcome

Just doing my due diligence.

except for the fact that if

except for the fact that if you do the math it's actually many many orders of magnitude worse than the powerball odds. 1*10^80 is the estimated number of particles of matter in the universe. it's also the mathematical limit on whether something is considered possible realistically or not. The chances of life forming naturally on other planets is well well higher than that. that's 1 chance in 1 followed by 80 zeroes as a maximum for realistic chances. with all necessary requirements just for life to exist for any useful amount of time factored in you're talking a triple digit exponential at least.

Matthew 10:16

1*10^82 actually.

And just because something is a low probability event does not mean it can't occur more than once. The entire human race makes up approximately .00000000000001% of the estimated particles in the universe; so your trying to infer that the other 99.999999999999% of particles that constitute the make up of the observable universe are completely devoid of life? HIGHLY UNLIKELY! Also like I stated above I didn't even delve into Multiverse Theory which in a nutshell is the theory that there are an infinite number of universes that occupy space-time simultaneously. So maybe our universe is suited for the growth of biological life while others may not be. Look up M-Theory, Brane Cosmology and String theory better yet...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
http://m.space.com/18811-multiple-universes-5-theories.html
http://m.dummies.com/how-to/content/the-theory-of-parallel-u...
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=5907
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/dec/10-sciences-alternative...

^this is known as citing sources. That is the thing you didn't do when you said "The chances of life forming naturally on other planets is well well higher than that." Inferring that the probability of other life is lower than the number of particles in the universe. Source???

I didn't even want to breach this topic for fear that I might give some of you "flat landers" a Brain aneurism.
But your right, I sure the story of a white guy in the Middle East who is 3 different entities and 1 single entity simultaneously, with magic powers, is the correct answer...

As impressive as those numbers are I bet it pales in comparison

to what we still have left to learn. I also love the fact that humans have 1% DNA advantage over a baboon, so if an alien had one percent over us, we would look like monkeys to them, lol. No way we are the centerpiece of this universe.

Exactly!

I agree, we are like in an adolescent stage of our development.

The Irony

of religious people on this thread lambasting peoples belief in aliens because its something they can not prove exists.....

Nice try

Not only is there no proof but their is absolutely no indication of their existence. If you believe in aliens then you have to believe in fairies, leprechauns, and the Easter bunny.

On the other hand all you have to do is look around you to see creation whether you want to believe it's created or not. No such evidence for aliens.

I am

pretty sure life exists but it would be too far away and God made that be.

you could substitute

the word "aliens" for the word "god" and present the same riveting argument you just have. Evidence of a creator is just as lacking as evidence of aliens.

Not so.

The evidence is there, you just choose to ignore it. I find it interesting how the debunked evolution hypothesis is tied to the belief in aliens. Is it because one can't survive without the other?

No, I can't prove God to you and you can't disprove Him. You say there is no evidence to support Him, which we obviously disagree on, but I can disprove evolution and aliens because there is observable evidence that they are false beliefs.

But I don't think I can compete with your "I'm rubber your glue..." argument. :-)

Not to beat a dead horse

But technically speaking wouldn't god be an extraterrestrial? So according to your own beliefs they do exist!
ex·tra·ter·res·tri·al
ˌekstrətəˈrestrēəl/
adjective
1.
of or from outside the earth or its atmosphere.
"searches for extraterrestrial intelligence"

***DROPS MIC***

rubber and glue?

I think you mean my "logic and reason" argument. I never said that either aliens or god exists, the possibility is there for one or both theories to be correct.

I just choose to not live my life based on the stories written down by nomadic tribesmen of the bronze age. Religion is a construct of man the same as government, both have their faults and their share of "skeletons in the closet" and both seek to control people and their thoughts; for a desired outcome.

:)

I just choose to not live my life based on the stories written down by nomadic tribesmen of the bronze age. Religion is a construct of man the same as government, both have their faults and their share of "skeletons in the closet" and both seek to control people and their thoughts; for a desired outcome.

I beg you

please give me a logical, descriptive, and substantiated refutation of evolution.

If evolution is not real then why do people get Flu shots every year???? It must be for fun......

No and yes.

Many people have seen things in the air that they can't immediately identify (UFOs) but no one has ever seen an alien. They can't get a picture of either.

Science proves again and again that life isn't as abundant in the galaxy as the evolutionist like to believe. They have supposedly found all the necessities for life on Mars but no indication of aliens exists. If anything science has disproved alien contact. Only SCIENCE FICTION supports belief in extraterrestrials.

They probably didn't know

that they were duped as well.

devil's work

On Christian world view there is no room for aliens. If such a thing arrived at my door I would treat it as a devil trick, incarnated evil spirit - especially if they denied God and mock Christ.

devil's work IS god's work..

"i form the light and create darkness..i make peace and create evil"
isaiah 45:7
(KJV)

No. It's a reference to Amos

No. An equivalent expression of Is 45:7 is a reference to Amos 3:6 which clearly means that God ALLOWS calamity as an artifact of the expression of the free will of His creation. God creating evil is totally contrary to His nature. Calamity and evil are a byproduct of the misuse of God's gracious gift of the free will to His creation. When His creation misuses its free will in violation of God's commands, then judgment ensues. In other words, God doesn't create evil, His creation creates evil through misuse of its free will. God certainly does ALLOW the expression of the free will including its misuse, but misuse has consequences which is precisely the theme of the Book of Revelation (Revelation of Jesus Christ to the Church through John).
Your erroneous understanding of Is 45:7 is precisely why quoting the Holy Bible out of context (whole book, not a couple of passages) is misleading.

Yes to 1 , and Yes to 2

But I do not believe in shape shifting reptilian overlords wearing human bodies like meat suits, just to be clear about where I draw the line. At least not shape shifting in the real physical sense - that would be beyond what I believe is possible in physics. However I'll leave it open that shape shifting as a mental projection from one mind to another as a form of cloaking or camouflage may be possible, and physical beings may be doing it, but it wouldn't effect recording devices or cameras.

The question isn't do you believe...it's

do you accept that there are aliens and that we are definitely not alone?

Father - Husband - Son - Spirit - Consciousness

I keep an open mind.

I'll believe in them the moment I find evidence that they believe in me*.

*or Mac Davis

Yes

I believe there are many sightings that are never identified.
I also believe there is intelligent life on other planets. How can we be so arrogant to believe we are the only "intelligent" life in the universe.
If inhabitants from other worlds have visited here I would imagine they left shuddering at how we live. I also think they might monitor our technology to be sure we don't develop something that might harm other beings in the universe. I believe they must be disgusted at the so called civilization on our planet. If they are watching, they are probably placing bets in a lottery for the date we self destruct.
Any life form that could travel through space from galaxy to galaxy would have no use for the sorry human life forms on this planet. We might be a good source for their amusement.

Formerly rprevolutionist

" We might be a good source for their amusement."

Or for their cuisine.

They want to serve man . . .


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