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Biblical Submission to Government

Romans 13:1-2 is often greatly misunderstood. Many Christians interpret this passage of Scripture to mean that we should offer unquestioning obedience to government, even if it's an evil and corrupt government. This is simply not true. Most people fail to consider verse 3, "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." Clearly, God is speaking about GOOD government in Romans 13... because they are a terror to evil works, i.e., crimes. But what happens when our government becomes a terror in itself, committing blatant heinous crimes before our very eyes? The Word of God commands us to submit to HONEST government. So why do so many pastors today attempt to lead their congregations into unquestioning loyalty and submission to criminals in The White House? Do you think this pleases the Lord?

This is so tragic! Doesn't anyone do their homework? No, and that's the big problem! Most Christian leaders are no better than the average ignorant U.S. citizen or church member who is brainwashed by the television. In fact, many people are being brainwashed by ignorant preachers. I say this respectfully. Why doesn't anyone listen to Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney? She is one of our elected officials. She stated in February of 2006 that a CRIMINAL SYNDICATE is controlling America! Here's a video of Congresswoman McKinney grilling Donald Rumsfeld over DynCorp's sex slaves, missing trillions of dollars from the Defense Department's budget, and the unannounced government war games on the morning of 911. Congressman Ron Paul has repeatedly warned the American people about the dangers of the Patriot Act, and the Coming Police State! Yet, Most of America's preachers, evangelists, and pastors could care less. Why won't they search the matter for the truth? Are they afraid of losing financial support? Are they afraid they might find the truth? Or is it that they just don't care? There is NO excuse! What kind of preacher can ignore all the corruption and evils in our government, and only preach sugar-coated sermons to his congregation? I'll tell you, a blinded or careless preacher! It is ludicrous for a pastor to maintain the attitude that Satan must run his course, while not even lifting a finger to do something about it. Look, God doesn't expect us to do more than He has enabled us to do; but, we can all share the truth with others. Ephesians 5:11 commands us to EXPOSE the works of darkness.


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Read the history

Read the history of the Roman Catholic Church, the Jesuits (the high sorcerers of the Khazars, the many factions who dress in those all black attire and curly locks) about the doctrine they created to fool the people into deceit about following the government powers in charge or you won't be following God. Deceiving the people that they are really supporting Satan. The same doctrine of the false doctrine that the anti-Christ is one man when it's them, the seed of the first murderer whom God wanted to destroy but escaped, the descendants of Amalek (Horrites or Hittites) who linked up eventually with the Children of Esau, all Edomites.

Making followers believe the anti-Christ is going to abolish "Christianity" to play psychology on them who go against Christianity to identity the anti-Christ. They don't want to abolish Christianity, it's paganism to begin with! These people who pray in these churches pray to these demons! They are needed since Christianity keeps their pagan gods alive! Why do you think there's no demon exorcism in the churches? Like it says in the Bible? Another agenda to make a covenant with the "jewish" enter Christian Zionism.

All waiting for a 3rd temple to be built, the laughable doctrine of the rapture of the church/Christians before the anti-Christ appears to be whisked away! Looking for a one man anti-Christ out of a government power to call himself god in a 7 year period who's ruling the world with an anti-Christ government so people can finally get themselves together when Christ said "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." in Matthew 24:36. You won't find any other scripture of the anti-Christ ruling for 7 years anywhere else!

These jewish powers don't fight with the Roman's doctrine. All this written in the 1600s! They are already ruling! Through the money system and the religious system till they got hold of the world. They don't care if you know this now.

A source is for example, Luthers works vol.2 p. 281. They're all one in the same demon lover idolaters. The ones Paul was against in Acts 16:16, 18:2, 17:16. None of us gonna be able to stop them because they are already there. They are the 4th beast spoken of in 2 Esdras, the Eagle!

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

They are already sitting there. Both in Jerusalem and in Rome. God is allowing them to rule until 2 Thessalonians 2:7 then read Daniel 7:9-14 then Revelation 13:1-4.

The leopard that links to Alexander the Great, the bear being Persia, the lion being Babylon and the Dragon (Satan) gives them all this power. They are all one. The 7 heads are the 7 mountains the Roman Catholic Church sits and the 10 horns are the powers that came out of Roman Catholic Church i.e. the E.U. To show it's not one man but a government structure that's controlling the Earth. Those converts are from Europe are the same people not different. Playing both sides of the fence, sound familiar? The wound being what they got struck down with during the "Dark Ages" they were healed to what they call the Renaissance painting over their rulers (negroes) and Icons alike and giving a white Jesus who's really a murdering freak incest lover Cesare Borgia.

So they moved to the USA to divert people away from Europe to this present day when the USA (the fall guy) when it eventually falls, they will still be in power in the EU.

In Daniel 7:11-13 The beast that is referred to is always empires not a man. Daniel 7:12 is the short space in Revelation 17. So they have deceived the world into believing a one man anti-Christ is suppose to come, the people in Israel saying they are God's people and Rome saying they are the authority of Christianity.

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The anti-Christ is already here people. We are in slavery to them in their system. Killing us with their gmo foods, etc to eventually accept their chip.

Christ will deal with them when they are stupid enough to go fight him, so before he comes keep the commandments of God and repent with your whole heart if you slip and inform those who want the truth. They are not here to tell you the truth and back the lie. The pastors in those churches don't want the truth but the lie instead and the people in those churches who stubbornly support their lies.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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But All Governments Are Corrupt

All governments are corrupt in the sense that there will always be some politicians who are corrupt. How many corrupt politicians, what percentage, would there need to be for a government to crossover into a bad government? Just like among judges, just like among police departments, even among churches. So how do we judge when an entire government can be dubbed "BAD" overall, especially when it seems there is about half the country who consider them good depending on which party gets their way?

I would think we could only get away with disobeying just the laws that go against Jesus's teachings. Which laws would those be (cite Biblical source)?

And Biblically speaking, is it just an option to disobey a corrupt government, or would it be more like a duty?

Just Remember To Pay Your Taxes

Matthew 22:17-21: The Pharisees asked Jesus a question: "Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought Him a denarius, and He asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Then He said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

The Apostle Paul agreed with Jesus, Romans 13:6-7: "This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor".

It's a Parable

Jesus never said taxes had to be paid to Caesar. It's deeper. He said render to Caesar what things are Caesar's. Since God is sovereign and owns everything, the only thing that is Caesar's is the chance for salvation. Also since all souls belong to God then Caesar belongs to God.

(Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.)

If you look at the coin that came out of the fish's mouth, it is a picture of resurrection. It has Caesar's face on the coin. The image of a man coming out of a fish. That's a repeat from Jonah and the fish. It's a prophetic picture of salvation. Caesar getting the chance for salvation/resurrection.

Matthew 17:24-27 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

If you are a child of the king you don't have to pay taxes. It's a picture of the freedom in Christ.

“I don't think we should go to the moon. I think we maybe should send some politicians up there.” -Ron Paul

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I agreed until...

I agreed until you slithered in "for the authorities are God's servants." The Romans were and still are pagans idolaters. God allowed them to rise to serve their purpose. They are not his servants otherwise they'll follow the Commandments Christ spoke to keep to show their love to Him and the Father.

They bear the Eagle symbol of the 4th beast which is still here to this day. Who else bears that symbol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_%28heraldry%29

One you should automatically know. The bald Eagle of the USA and many others. Rome (Edomite/Idumea) are alive and well as evil then and still are.

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We Must Obey the U.S. Government

We must obey the U.S. government because God allowed them to rise to serve their purpose.

You Christians crack me up.

You all seem to agree that the Bible is the infallible word of god but, for the most part, the agreement seems to stop there. What follows is endless debate about the true meaning of gods words. A debate that has been going on for thousands of years with no agreement yet. How unfortunate since one wrong belief can result in eternal damnation. And god knew this was going to happen!
If this is gods plan for the salvation of humanity, he's not a very bright fellow.

That is because...

all the screwed up things in the bible were written by lawyers. The close minded type haven't figured that out yet.

Christ Himself said He came to divide houses...

There is no debate on God's Word, however like the knowledge of liberty, Truth is revealed in stages. Many people misunderstand it, until they learn something else that makes it "click".

I know however you will never understand what I mean, unless you are willing to do the research yourself. I have studied the Bible all my life and have only recently understood it's true meaning and purpose.

When did I really come to realize what the Bible is designed to be? After I learned of Ron Paul. Truth opens the door for more Truth.

All "conflicts" I have ever found in the Bible are inabilities of understanding, usually deriving from lack of knowledge, such as cultural references and metaphors that made sense to the Jews two thousand years ago, but have lost meaning today because we don't relate to it.

Mathew 13: Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14"In them, the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says, 'YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE;

God divides His people and from those who are not his people, this is what he meant when he said he will "divide houses".

However in that day, It was the choice to follow Christ or remain an old Testament Jew, that will not understand that they are missing the messiah. Today, God always separates His people from everyone else before a nations Judgement.

I could go on and explain how our nation is already under judgement, but this post would end up REALLY long :)

Dividing houses is a parable...

that means all the degrees of the Zodiac.

The absolute best I have seen

The absolute best I have seen write on this is Chuck Baldwin. Please read what he says.

There is the question, if

There is the question, if Paul was only calling for submission to righteous earthly government (which Paul, by the way, would stress that there is no such animal) then why write these verses to the Romans to begin with? How would the verses apply to those he was actually writing too?
I think most Christian have historically understood these verses to mean that one must submit, except when such submission would result in a violation of God's higher law and authority.

A couple of good examples are offered in the book of Daniel. Daniel and his three comrades serve the king of Babylon faithfully, a pagan king no less. They continue to do so until obeying his commands would put them in direct conflict with the laws of God.

Anyone interested in this

Anyone interested in this topic needs to read Tim & Chuck Baldwin's book about this very subject.


The Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho hosted author Tim Baldwin on our 3 stop state-wide IdahoLibertyExpo.com tour. Tim talked about the common misconceptions of this passage and how to correctly view it in light of a corrupt and abusive authority; be it Caesar, Congress, or the President.

Jason Robinson
Republican Liberty Caucus of Idaho

Great post keep it up!

Great post keep it up!

Ου εξουσια!

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Religion + Politics = .....

Take my least favorite bastion of philosophy, religion, and use it to bolster or deny the unholiest of fcuked up logic, politics.

It is equivalent to sticking it in the wrong hole... when you are molesting a 10 year old.

If you are super-interested in both "holy scripture" and "political minutiae," then GOD BLESS US ALL, cause we are all gonna be screwed.

I think I would rather watch football and Nascar at the same time.

Holy Polaris missiles Batman!

So the Romans 13 author (inspired by the Spirit) has riots break out everywhere he goes, gets arrested several times, has a government prison heavily damaged as a consequence of his and Silas' prayers to God, spends several years in prison, uses extensive government resources for his protection, and is ultimately killed by the government. As Jesus says in Luke 10:37 "Go and do likewise."

You have no proof and never will.

All you have is centuries old "tradition" passed down by a bunch of pedophiles and murderers called the roman catholic church. History has fully documented their ultra psychopathic behavior. History has not documented a jewish man named Paul outside of the formerly mentioned group of psychopaths.

What do YOU have?

(grabs a box of popcorn and sits down)


(your comments are so.... you!) rotflmao

Another extremely misapplied Bible passage is...

... The passage of tribute: "Render unto Caesar"


Read the whole thing. I did, and it explains things amazingly from a Christian perspective.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison

This is why the New Testament needs special discernment

because of false statements like this one in Romans.

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established."

The New Testament has been mistranslated so badly that it must be weighed heavily against Old Testament Scripture and the reality of this world. God did not establish our government so the above verse as translated is false.

It's like the "I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." statement after He was crucified. There is no way that could be true because the reality is that He was in the tomb for 3 days and nights. This error is just a simple misplacement of a comma so it should read "I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise."

The New Testament has been skewed by the Roman church and the misinterpretations in Greek and subsequent errors to English and other languages.

There is no way that God wants His followers to submit to an apostate government. Did Daniel submit when he was told to bow to the statue? NO. Was Daniel sinning for not submitting to the governing authority. No. This is just the first of many instances that come to mine where government authority was rightfully rejected.

You got it. :)

You got it. :)

Andrew Napolitano for President 2016!

"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Correction needed

There was NO mistake about a "comma" being misplaced! PERIOD!

The Bible verse speaking about those words is correct!

What Jesus said, He said, and both He and that thief on the cross were in Paradise that very day!

"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise" ~ Luke 23:43 ~

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

You have been taught in error I am sorry to say by someone who simply does not understand the things of God.

About Daniel, he was not told to bow to any statue!

It was his 3 fellow Hebrews, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and it was they, who were thrown into the fiery furnace for not obeying the Kings order.

There are MANY people out there today, especially in these last days, attempting to pervert the very Word of God and teaching those things that are not!

Beware of these people!


" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

Sorry but dead is dead.

Messiah was dead and in the tomb 3 day and 3 nights and was resurrected the first fruits of the first resurrection. If you do not think that He was resurrected then you have no understanding. You do not go to hell or heaven when you die.

Further more the thief who He was talking to is still in the grave until the resurrection. So you are mistaken. And I can show you numerous Scripture from Old and New Testaments that make it very clear that you are dead when you are dead and you know nothing when you are dead until the day of resurrection. But I figure if you were interested in truth you would have accepted those Scriptures already.

Not worshiping the king or not worshiping a statue doesn't matter concerning the point I was making but you are right, it was the former. My apologies. The point is that He along with the others did not submit to the governing authority.

You said: "There are MANY people out there today, especially in these last days, attempting to pervert the very Word of God and teaching those things that are not!"

Perhaps you should look in the mirror. You have chosen to believe the perverted doctrines of the early usurpers. In the last days the truth will be restored and people like you will had better watch out that you don't end up doing the work of the anti christ to suppress those who bring that truth to light because your pride wont let you accept the truth of your apostasy.

Lastly, that bible you read is not "GOD's Word" but a fallible translation. And the New Testament of that bible is "at least" partly Hebrew/Aramaic translated to Greek by scribes who were already subject to false doctrines just as the King James translators were already subject to false doctrines when they translated it to English.

That is why the Old Testament takes precedence when establishing doctrine just as Paul told Timothy. 2Ti_3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

God's Book...One Word....One Truth!

Contrary to what YOU say is truth, the Bible says this:

"EVERY Word of God is Pure"

If you think the New Testamant is not fully true as the Old Testament, then you cannot really believe anything written in the Bible because both Old and New Testaments complement one another and testify to one another throughout the entire Bible, because it was fashioned and given that way by One Author to all who would believe on His very Word!

The Bible is ONE cohesive book about Jesus Christ and that great plan of salvation!

It's either all true or not.

"No lie is of the Truth" it is written!

Maybe you don't accept that Scripture either!

You simply do not believe the entire Bible is the very Word of God and therefore you cannot have the Spirit of God that testifies to the Truth of His Word, and so it is futile to discuss these things with someone who simply wants to "pick and choose" from the Bible what they think is truth, I am sorry to say.

Your statements are way out there and you are definitely without true knowledge of what the Word of God says understandably because you do not believe the entire Bible!

I will not go around and around with these devilish denials of yours when speaking about the Word of Life.

You are saying that the Bible cannot be trusted and therefore you are doing the work of the devil and sowing seeds of unbelief!

You sir I am very sorry to say are void and without knowledge!

"There is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is the way of death"

To continue in this way is to say that you sir, are on your own!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~

NO! Don't just vote me down.

Show me where Scripture is contradicting. Oh wait you can't because it doesn't and if it did and you could then you would defeat your own argument.



For someone who does not believe the entire Bible as the very Word of God, getting a downvote should be the least of your concerns!

" In Thee O Lord do I put my trust " ~ Psalm 31:1~


Then go ahead and believe the lies of mistranslation and indoctrination into paganism. Open up your KJV.

Act_12:4 "And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after "Easter" to bring him forth to the people."

Easter? Why are they calling Passover easter? So much for your assumption that your translation is true.

Act 7:45 "Which also our fathers that came after brought in with "Jesus" into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;"
Heb 4:8 "For if "Jesus" had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."

Jesus? That is not his name. His name was Yahshua son of Nun. It is also the true name of Messiah. Again, so much for your belief in false interpretations and lies.

He could not have been with him in paradise "that day". PERIOD. because when you are dead you are dead and know nothing until the resurrection.

Psa_6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Ecc_9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isa_38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
Act_2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act_2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the "dead in Christ shall rise first:"

These verses bear witness to each other. You are not disagreeing with me, you are rebelling against Scripture and are the one destined for destruction.

Please stop with the stiff neck and pride and open your eyes and increase your knowledge.

Dan 12:3,4 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

Don't have time to get into your debate, but...

...Easter is actually the correct translation, we know this via context.

Watch this.


"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -- James Madison


You would have to show me where Herod was prone to observing pagan holidays. It is my understanding that Herod was a Jew and observed Jewish tradition. This sounds true considering that he was persecuting the Apostles to appease the Jews.