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I'm not voting anymore

I have been a libertarian for about two years now. I was introduced to libertarian thought by Ron Paul's 2012 campaign. After that whole debacle, I began to consider who I would vote for in 2016 when the time came. Since the 2012 elections, however, I have been doing a lot of thought about my philosophy. I have really delved into libertarian ideas such as the non-aggression principle, and my outlook on voting has completely changed. I will no longer be voting.

I believe there can be no moral justification for government. If we accept that people should never use violence except in cases of self-defense, then we can no longer justify government. Government requires violence to exist. Taxation is theft, etc. If the system you support does NOT require violence, then it is not government. Government is by definition violent.

Can we move past the idea that reforming our government could somehow work, or is even the morally right thing to do? It's a delusion.

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Keep your enemies close and your government closer...

I will most likely not vote in 2016. National politics is a game that cannot be won, the elite have all the loose ends wrapped up and it is rigged at every level from delegates to the Electoral College.

Now, that being said we should not give up the fight only change our tactics. Instead of figuring out who should be in DC, we need to diminish the supposed power of the Federal Government by means of Constitutional sheriffs, State Nullification and Jury Nullification.

It is easier to influence local politics with grassroots campaigns and then you can use the Republic apparatus to fight tyranny from your town/county on up. Once a few start to openly defy the feds more will soon follow. Another advantage of this is it is harder for the Media to denigrate a local Sherriff or city council than individuals who they can label crazy anti-government militias etc.

AnCap is a great philosophy and something we can strive toward but it is going to be a long fight and you cant just say, "Fuck it" and walk away.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

I'm not walking away! I can

I'm not walking away! I can totally get behind nullification. I would love to try anything if it means we can inch our way closer to a truly free society. I just can not justify giving my vote to a system I believe is inherently immoral.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Great, then go away and quit complaining

Either you are interested in coming here and participating in the debate on how to change more minds and spread the word of liberty so that we as a group win elections and make changes to the situation... Or your not.

go away?

Careful, your authoritarianism is showing...

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

why such limited imagination?

Is voting the only way to spread liberty?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Why "Go Away"?

Can't he participate "in the debate on how to change more minds and spread the word of liberty" without it being related to politics?

If the average person on the street merely understood what was going on, wouldn't that be enough to change this country? In other words, if we can pass along the ideals of liberty then the rest will fall into place in due time. At least it seems that way to me.

And fwiw, I do plan to vote for liberty candidates. I think we should pursue every avenue we can. I just think you were a little harsh on the OP for his anti-political stance.

I sometimes wonder why I vote

I understand why you don't vote. I agree with the logic completely and I honor your decision.

Voting is primarily symbolic. We know there is vote-counting fraud. We know the whole voting system is open to manipulation. Still, it is a small way of expressing my dissatisfaction.

I can proudly say that I have almost never voted for a winner. (I made one BIG mistake in my life and voted for a mainstream Democrat against an incumbent Republican because I believed ANYONE would be better than him. I was wrong. So wrong.)

I've considered giving up he whole voting thing. But there is a phrase that haunts me, something like: the punishment for not participating in politics is to be ruled by your inferiors.

I believe voting won't matter again until there has been a social upheaval and TPTB decide they NEED validation.

I'm running for Local Office

I need people who believe in Liberty and LIMITED Gov't to outvote those who just show up.

I've had the same feelings and frustration. I helped form the local Libertarian Party Affiliate in my county. I am now running as a Republican for two reasons. 1. The CCRP has been taken over by Ron Paul Republicans. 2. You don't get elected in Cherokee County unless you are a Republican.

I respect your decision to not vote, I've been there. However, I do love my community and I need somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000 votes in order to restore Limited Gov't at the Local Level, put pressure on my State and Federal elected officials to Limit their activities, and to set the new standard by which my community measures our elected and appointed officials.

My not getting involved ensures another 4 years of bad central planning by those intending to 'do good'. I need votes to put my time, money, & experience where my mouth is.

Steve Morris
Cherokee County Commission Chairman
May 20 2014

I believe in liberty but I

I believe in liberty but I don't believe in limited government. We had the most limited government that ever existed back in 1776. Look where that got us. I believe the American experiment has failed. I respect your passion and your willingness to fight in the political world. I hope you win. I just cannot justify voting in a system I believe is inherently immoral.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Thank you

I need all the luck and support I can get.

I truly respect your position. I've been there. I'd rather rub salt & lemon in a paper cut than vote for the Lesser of Two Evils again. I could not bring myself to do it again. But I couldn't allow my 'silence' to be construed as Consent any longer either.

I don't think Self Governance byway of Limited Government, which is what the Founders were pushing for, has failed so much as the experiment was poorly executed. That is no reason to not to try again.

Nelson Hutlburg's "Golden Mean" explains it well, but could have been a much shorter read in my opinion. We need just enough Government to prevent Anarchy and plenty of Self Governance to prevent Tyranny. It takes just a little government to prevent Anarchy, but it takes a great deal of Self Governance to prevent Tyranny.

It is the Goldie Locks Zone. It is not a precise amount of Government and Self Governance, it is variable, but within a tolerance. I aim to prove it.

Thanks again. I will likely be updating the Daily Paul on my progress.

"The American Experiement"

Is a NWO phrase. Who needs an American experiment when you can have a real global government?

I am with you!

I arrived to the same conclusion. When you vote, you are giving your consent and your approval to the state.
We are never going to have a government as small as the one the founders had. Their government still got big. Small government is a myth. Besides, I came to believe that government goes against my Christian faith. When satan tried to bribe Jesus with political power, he said that all the kingdoms of this world was given to him and he can give it to whomever he wants. Jesus didn't contradicted him.
Also, when Israel wanted a king, God told them by choosing a king, they where rejecting Him.
In Judges 9, There is a story that goes like that:

"8 One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, ‘Be our king.’

9 “But the olive tree answered, ‘Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and humans are honored, to hold sway over the trees?’

10 “Next, the trees said to the fig tree, ‘Come and be our king.’

11 “But the fig tree replied, ‘Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?’

12 “Then the trees said to the vine, ‘Come and be our king.’

13 “But the vine answered, ‘Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and humans, to hold sway over the trees?’

14 “Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, ‘Come and be our king.’

15 “The thornbush said to the trees, ‘If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!’"

Awesome! My Christian faith

Awesome! My Christian faith was one of the major factors that brought me to rejecting statism outright. I think it's sinful to use initiatory violence (the state) to accomplish your will. It's not the way Jesus operated when He set an example for us to follow.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Agreed

And when properly researched is revealed as the only solution. To ride ourselves of government. Unfortunately non-participation is not entirely effective. Not unless everyone does it a the same time. The strategy must be coupled with parallel strategies. But at present they are killing us en masse all over the world so we had better find out what the most appropriate action should be in addition to political non-participation.

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you are going to vote every day of your life.

with your dollars. those votes are the ones that count the most. where you spend your money is where you put your mouth. you store your wealth in dollars you vote for the banking system. you buy crappy meat products you vote for poor health. you send your kids to public schools you vote for that.

even a man such as ron paul has the absolute potential to let you down. your goal in life should be to try to live without government and influence the ones around you to do the same. that was the goal of jesus christ 2013 years ago and it still is a good one to have, at every measure resist the state.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

soo

if your broke without a pot to piss in, does that mean you have no free speech?

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

How can we stop or slow down federal tyranny without anyone

keeping our government in check? Please anyone, can you tell me your ideas on how to solve this problem.

kind people rock

Doing nothing --> ....um?

Nothin from nothin leaves nothin...

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Live free in your personal

Live free in your personal life. Convince your friends and your family of the philosophy of liberty. Raise your children peacefully. Hopefully we can have a revolution against the idea of government instead of a revolution to create a new government when the time comes.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

There was an old saying in the 60's... What if they held a war.?

"What if they held a war and no one showed up?"

Interesting concept.

You are saying, simply "Don't show up", to this global civil war for freedom vs. the NWO...

That would work maybe, "IF" everyone listened... BUT...

In the real world, the problem is, ONE SIDE DOES SHOW UP!!! The side that DOESN'T get ROLLED!!! That is the majority of the time!!! And why we are losing more freedom daily!!!

We need to FIGHT harder!!!

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Cool, how do we keep our government

from growing more tyrannical without keeping it in check towards liberty?

kind people rock

Why can't you discuss issues

Why can't you discuss issues without voting for rulers?

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Never said you had to vote to keep your government in check.

Being involved helps.

kind people rock

Do all that...

...and participate in politics.

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

exactly... we must be proactive to take the power back from evil

...can't just live your life and hope everything will be ok...

Because clearly the 'bad guys' aren't listening to voices saying "can't we all just get along?"...

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

government is evil.

government is evil.

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

Water is wet

So what's your point?

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."

Why do I have to participate

Why do I have to participate in evil?

"No physical quantity explains it's own existence, and no amount of time can consume an infinite series of events to bring you to the present, which means all of these somewhere have to be explained by one self-existent cause which is not physical."

What you call participating in evil...

...I call resisting evil.

But whatever name you confer on political participation, you don't "have to" do it, of course, but you would be wise to do it (assuming you don't want evil to triumph).

"Alas! I believe in the virtue of birds. And it only takes a feather for me to die laughing."