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I Think Rand Paul Has A Serious Chance To Win The Republican Nomination In 2016

Many here at the Daily Paul think it's an impossible dream, only a fantasy at best based upon previous results from his father's past.

The inner negative in all of us says that the GOP would never let Rand Paul be the face of their party, and if he does win, they're just throwing us a bone to choke on after he loses to Hillary Clinton because presidents are selected, not elected in Amerika.

To counter the supreme negative, Rand Paul's biggest challenger is Chris Christie. Ted Cruz was an early contender, but too many people have found out how he worked as a lawyer representing the communist Chinese government, and has ties to the Council on Foreign Relations with a wife who works for Goldman Sachs.

The GOP has even floated the idea of John McCain running again.

That's how desperate they are. It's like a Washington D.C. conference on Global Warming in the middle of a snow storm for the GOP.

Rand's biggest political opposition as of today is the human reincarnation of Humpty Dumpty.

Hillary Clinton has a huge Benghazi problem, the likes of which no presidential candidate has ever seen before.

Sometimes the political weather can't be controlled and manipulated. No matter how hard evil people try to hold on to something so tight, they've already lost it.

If every good comes to an end, then everything bad must come to an end too.

Their time is due, as is ours. Timing is everything.

An idea whose time has come is closer than we think.



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I knew when Romney lost the election

that Rand Paul would be our next President (bar any "accidents").

Had Romney won, the Liberty movement would have probably died.

He will get the nomination

Paul and Paul are going to be the ticket.

Your delusional

He has a shot, sure. Not a slam dunk, but a better shot than crazy uncle Ron.

But there is no way in hell that he's choosing his dad as a running mate.

If you truly believe that, it shows just how out of touch Rand Paul supporters are.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

sorry i did not mean Rand and Ron

I meant Rand and Paul Ryan

but

Paul and Paul will look nice on the signage

Your, meaning belonging to you.

You're, an abbreviation for you are, as in you're being delusional…..

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yeah, and Rick Santorum supporters believe the same thing

Not about Rand, but about Rick Santorum!

Does Rick Santorum have a chance?
How about Chris Christie?
How about Jeb Bush?

All of their supporters think they're a shoe-in.

Reality check.

Put it another way, a more objective way: If you were a betting man, would you put your money down on him? If so, how much?

$5 to show. That is about all I'd be willing to risk.

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts
LittleWing's picture

What if they gave an election and nobody came?

Hi Michael, Personally, I have decided to no longer participate in giving any legitimacy to the corrupted 'election process' This is my way of moving forward in a positive and productive manner, many will not agree, but I'm ok with that. Here are a few reads that you may find interesting:

What if we concentrated our efforts on localism and self sufficiency instead?

"Because the White House is but a public relations front for the corporate-financier interests of Wall Street and London. A change of residence at the White House is no different than say, British Petroleum replacing its spokesman to superficially placate public opinion when in reality the exact same board of directors, overall agenda, and objectives remain firmly in place. Public perception then is managed by, not the primary motivation of, corporate-financier interests.

It is the absolute folly to believe that multi-billion dollar corporate-financier interests would subject their collective fate to the whims of the ignorant, uninformed, and essentially powerless voting masses every four years. Instead, what plays out every four years is theater designed to give the general public the illusion that they have some means of addressing their grievances without actually ever changing the prevailing balance of power in any meaningful way."
What if they gave an election and nobody came?
http://www.dailypaul.com/252654/2012-us-elections-obamney-vs...

The Globalists' Worst Nightmare Self-Sufficiency: a universal solution to the globalist problem.
http://www.dailypaul.com/248787/the-globalists-worst-nightma...

Naming Names: Your Real Government
"This is your real government; they transcend elected administrations, they permeate every political party, and they are responsible for nearly every aspect of the average American and European's way of life. When the "left" is carrying the torch for two "Neo-Con" wars, starting yet another based on the same lies, peddled by the same media outlets that told of Iraqi WMD's, the world has no choice, beyond profound cognitive dissonance, but to realize something is wrong.

What's wrong is a system completely controlled by a corporate-financier oligarchy with financial, media, and industrial empires that span the globe. If we do not change the fact that we are helplessly dependent on these corporations that regulate every aspect of our nation politically, and every aspect of our lives personally, nothing else will ever change."
http://www.dailypaul.com/248629/naming-names-your-real-gover...

If Wars Can Be Started by Lies, They Can Be Stopped By Truth.

Part 3 of Popular Disbelief

This is our third excursion in the popularity of disbelief. The RNC and the 9.7 to 10 million plus Republican voters want someone such as Chris Christie, Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush. Six years later, and the liberty movement still has not figured out how to expand the Republican Primary voting base past twenty million or so voters.

These twenty or so million voters spread out across US continue to vote for the same candidate type each Presidential cycle. The RNC does not have to rig the elections in primary states when all have to do is run the same type of establishment candidates every four years.

If he gets the nomination

I strongly believe he can win the presidency. His problem is getting the nomination.

Best Tea Party Candidate

I believe Rand Paul is the best chance the Tea Party has for President. Rubio is a Tea Party turncoat. Cruz is too controversial on immigration and too divisive on many fronts.

Rand really is doing everything he can to build the Republican Party, and he is doing it by selecting issues honestly. He does not say one thing on an issue and then vote differently. He has integrity. He has the demeanor that can keep him from the wrong side of a controversy, such as the way he has dealt with Peter King and Chris Christie.

Any Tea Party candidate can beat any Democrat, so as you say, the difficulty is in getting the nomination. That done, the election is in the bag, shy of bullets & crashes.

not a problem

he will get the nomination. everything is heading in that direction.

PUMA - I voted you up. I don't understand the down votes either

Your statement was true - The problem is getting the rotted RNC/GOP to nominate Rand.

They will fight him all the way.

It might be even worse than with Ron, because Romney was pre-ordained and promised the nomination no matter what.

It was pre-determined when Romney suddenly stepped down in 2008 and let McCain have the nomination but Romney was basically TIED for first place at the time.

I already knew then what would happen in 2012, and I'll bet Dr. Paul figured it as well.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Why?

the negative vote? I don't get it.

He will win..

as long as we go to our conventions and stand for our principles. There will be a ground swell for liberty after president Obama. Have hope and faith, AND most importantly,PUT IN THE WORK!!! What is a week compared with 51 others?

-Matthew Good

He must learn body language

He must learn body language to win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0due0EuBGg

Paul strong among huge field

I don't agree with your field assessment. McCain? No.

But an enormous field of 15 recognizable and/or office-holding candidates will run, one reason being the weak 2015 economy. Where does 15 come from?

I see these 10 as likely, Ryan, Santorum, Christie, Jindal, Rubio, Cruz, Walker, Palin, King, Paul.. plus these 10 as possible, Daniels, Portman, Kasich, Martinez or Haley, Perry, Thune, Cain, Brown, Demint, Bush.

With no one getting more than 15% in a crowded field, tough to imagine Rand not being top tier through the first caucuses and primaries, in fact I think he wins Iowa.

10-15 million more voters need to believe in non-interventionism (liberty) at home and abroad to change America. Minds changed on Syria. Minds changing on privacy. "Printing money" is part of the dialogue. Win minds through focus, strategy.

Rand needs to stay where he is

Rand not being in the nominating line up would be the best thing for the GOP because the sucking sound would be massive, and I'm sure we would all be hearing far far more from Rand in MSM if he didn't jeapordize his Senate seat for a rigged game that fully intends to land Hillary in the oval office.

Nice thought, but it's not gonna happen.

The GOP/RNC will not nominate Rand.

They will assissinate his character by equating him with his dad who they branded a racist (Michael Medved, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, John Gibson all did that to Ron - I know - I heard them say it).

The RNC/GOP will back him against a corner at the debates and force him to either lie or expose his "radical" economic and geo-political ideas.

But it WILL be fun to help BLOW UP THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AGAIN in 2016 which is what I plan on doing when they dis Rand.

I think I speak for many Ron Paul supporters.

the GOP has NOT learned its lesson yet. Not even close.

It's still full of Neo-Con, Arab-hating, rat-bastards like Medved, Hannity, Bolton, McCain, Graham, Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Ingraham, Barnes, Kristol, Gibson, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Krauthammer, Bremer, Wolfowitz, Huckabee, Santorum, Palin, King, Bachmann, Giuliani, Boehner etc

I could go on and on and on...

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

pawnstorm the progressive has spoken

I'm sure you could go on and on with your hatred... you're full of it.

Eff.Off Granger...

You're the biggest (Muslim / Arab) hater on here.

And in my estimation you never were a Ron Paul supporter.

Just another republican party-first hack who apparently approves of all the Ron Paul-hating rats I mentioned.

You bet I hate those types - Their Party-First philosophy has ruined our country and killed untold numbers of innocent Americans and foreigners the world over.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

My opinion is...

First I want to say I will support him and hope he wins the nomination & goes on to be president

But my opinion is their plan will be something like this...

Their plan A is get one of their puppets in office

Their plan B is crash the economy on Paul if he wins & blame it on his liberty policies

The Federal Reserve Act: Act To provide for the establishment of Federal reserve banks, to furnish an elastic currency, to afford means of rediscounting commercial paper, to establish a more effective supervision of banking in the United States

The problem is - Obama is going to be on the dem ticket

You can take that to the bank people - Obama WILL be the dem nominee.

Then we will work our assess off and get Rand on the GOP ticket.
And Obama being on the Dem ticket will fuel our cause - and we will gain traction.

Then as I keep telling people who want to save the party - it is right about that time that the final piece of c4 will be detonated on the GOP.

I understand your frustration

*meant to be a reply to Jrodefeld*

But unfortunately we need to deal with reality. The political climate and gamesmanship is what it is. It's a reality we have to face. I do question your statement "compromising your principles" though. Navigating your way through the political web of DC is no small feat and requires one to be extremely diplomatic and pragmatic.

Pragmatism is lost on many people here. So many people are "all or nothing" and as a result we fail to win the small battles. Even Ron Paul himself has stated many times that he wouldn't do away with SSI and Medicare, he'd start with foreign aid and war spending. That's called being pragmatic.

I would rely on Rand's voting record as the measuring stick for his principles and not where he travels or who he dines with. Ron Paul was the trailblazer, the sacrificial lamb. People don't want to believe it but he never wanted to be President. He understood that he was crating a paradigm shift in the world of politics; he was paving the way for people like Justin Amash, and of course his son.

Here's my take on 2016 ...

... I'm excited at the thought of Rand running, and I hope he does. I will support him just as I supported Ron Paul in '08 and '12. The thought of having all those rallies with thousands of people like Ron had in '12 is really exciting. As more people become aware and disgusted with the current state of things, those rallies could dwarf what Ron had in '12, which is a cool thought!

However, I just have that feeling that they're going to cram Chris Crispy, or Jeb Bush (Or insert any other establishment thug here) down our throats just like they crammed Romney down our throats. As we saw in '12, the establishment will stop at nothing to force their candidate through. So we all know that. We know they're going to try all these tricks at the caucuses and we know the electronic voting will be rigged.

... HOWEVER ...

We absolutely CANNOT (!!!) give up the fight because as we saw between the '08 and '12 campaigns the crowds grow, the support grew, and as this trend continues, it's looking like the support will be such that the mainstream media simply cannot ignore. So we have to continue the fight!

I do too

I hope Cruz doesn't run, then Rand will really have a chance. Unfortunately the tea party types who Rand would need if he had a real chance of winning would choose Cruz right now I believe.

That said Rand has some big backers lined up already including

Freedomworks
Peter Theil
Glen Beck

With this support and our grassroots network of activists Rand should be a formidable candidate.

The only person that will get

The only person that will get the nomination, is the person they choose it to be. Havent figured that out after the RNC last year??

Caucuses don't matter, primaries don't matter, when you change the rules to fit the agenda at the 11th hour.

We are fucked.

The only thing we can do is keep stacking food and ammo and educating our neighbors about the cause of liberty. We will need them when the armored vehicles are roaming the streets and the police are going door to door.

You're right, but...

…you're wrong.

Perhaps NOW, 'they' choose the nominee, and caucuses and primaries don't matter.

But think about how many current liberty-lovers were turned on to Ron Paul and the message while observing how 'they' chose the nominee in 2008 and 2012. The charade opened thousands of eyes, and is growing the liberty movement.

This very website exists largely (perhaps predominantly) because of people's reaction to the charade.

As our numbers grow and, say, Rand wins Iowa, that charade becomes even more eye-opening, and a breaking point eventually gets reached, and the barricades get stormed.

So the caucuses and primaries *do* matter.

Prince Pubis needs to go the way of the do-do

We can thank him for having a lame Romney winning the nomination.

I understand the point you

I understand the point you are trying to make: that the message is spreading even if the candidate gets shafted.

I disagree.